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Post by usdfbalum on Nov 25, 2011 12:46:38 GMT -6
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Post by sdsportsfan2010 on Nov 25, 2011 13:05:29 GMT -6
What sucks is when the good SD kids end up at NDSU. They have 5 SD kids on their roster. USD and SDSU have 0 ND kids on their rosters. We should never lose our best athletes to NDSU or UND or any other FCS school. They should end up at USD or SDSU.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 25, 2011 13:23:34 GMT -6
I really have no problem either way as far as whether or not a coach needs D1 experience. Whatever coach we end up with I would like that head coach to have prior head coaching experience with great success as the head coach. I want a head coach with an excellent winning record. As a coordinator winning may or may not have to do with that cordinator. Personally I don't know Heupel that much but he has not had head coaching experience. I think that is a bigger weakness than not having D1 experience.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 25, 2011 13:27:40 GMT -6
I would rather put up with a little extra baggage and have to figure out a way to also put up with winning than I would have to put up with losing and no baggage. How long would a coach like this stay at the FCS level? That might be a worthy question.
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Post by usdfbalum on Nov 25, 2011 13:30:04 GMT -6
I would rather put up with a little extra baggage and have to figure out a way to also put up with winning than I would have to put up with losing and no baggage. How long would a coach like this stay at the FCS level? That might be a worthy question. Hopefully long enough to get our program to the next level.
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Post by coyotega on Nov 25, 2011 15:41:37 GMT -6
Even North Ala offers their coaches three year deals. If you don't have someone under contract, you have them only until they get a better offer. If Regents will adopt a more enlightened rule for head coaches, we might have a chance of getting someone with some experience and status. If not, don't think so.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 25, 2011 16:31:39 GMT -6
I really have no problem either way as far as whether or not a coach needs D1 experience. Whatever coach we end up with I would like that head coach to have prior head coaching experience with great success as the head coach. I want a head coach with an excellent winning record. As a coordinator winning may or may not have to do with that cordinator. Personally I don't know Heupel that much but he has not had head coaching experience. I think that is a bigger weakness than not having D1 experience. Why not just hire Jeff VanLeur then if that's the goal. What's Morningside's coach up to...
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 25, 2011 17:30:55 GMT -6
I really have no problem either way as far as whether or not a coach needs D1 experience. Whatever coach we end up with I would like that head coach to have prior head coaching experience with great success as the head coach. I want a head coach with an excellent winning record. As a coordinator winning may or may not have to do with that cordinator. Personally I don't know Heupel that much but he has not had head coaching experience. I think that is a bigger weakness than not having D1 experience. Why not just hire Jeff VanLeur then if that's the goal. What's Morningside's coach up to... I just have an open mind that's all. I put having head coaching experience above having D1 experience. In a perfect world I would like to have Les Miles be our head coach but that is not going to happen. It's also not likely that USD is going to get a current head coach at a FCS program or above. I don't really care where a coach is now as long as they have a history of success as a head coach. Debeor really meets all requirements. He dominated as a head coach, is a recent head coach and has D1 experience. As far as Caruso is concerned I didn't realise the extent to which he has dominated at St. Thomas. I thought he was successfull just not AS successfull as he has been. If he is the choice I am pretty sure we will be back to the days of an explosive offense. My priorities 1. A coach with recent head coaching experience (past 5 years). 2. A coach that dominated at his level 3. A head coach that has D1 coaching experience as long as they have had head coaching experience 4. A head coach that won at a place that doesn't have a history of success. I am leary of having a head coach that does not have head coaching experience. I think this the biggest risk of a coach absent of a quality that we would look for in a head coach. I will not say NEVER but I would have reservations. The committee has been put together and there are probably a dozen of more names that may be considered. I think the next coach will be of strong character, be a good discipinarian but most of all be a winner.
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jackjd
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Post by jackjd on Nov 25, 2011 18:40:26 GMT -6
What sucks is when the good SD kids end up at NDSU. They have 5 SD kids on their roster. USD and SDSU have 0 ND kids on their rosters. We should never lose our best athletes to NDSU or UND or any other FCS school. They should end up at USD or SDSU. That's not a simple issue. NDSU doesn't have a single North Dakota kid on its men's basketball team. NDSU has relatively few ND athletes on its football team. One obvious reason USD and SDSU have 0 ND kids on their rosters: there are very few D1 athletes in ND. Ever check how many ND athletes are on UND's powerhouse hockey team? One. He's from Grand Forks. There's more than one state legislator in North Dakota who questions why they have state-supported universities educating Minnesota's kids (personally, I think that's a short-sighted view: universities should be viewed as economic-development engines and a means for attracting people to a state). USD's volleyball team (I watched it beat the Jackrabbits) has 0 SD athletes on the roster. Your women's basketball team has 2 SD athletes. Your coaches are recruiting athletes they think fit in their programs etc. and you know, for the most part their decisions have been pretty good during the D1 transition. Bottom line: we don't lose our best athletes to NDSU or UND or other FCS schools. I think NDSU picked up some good SD athletes but I think I can easily show they weren't our best. For example, I'm willing to bet that when SDSU's RdShrt freshman quarterback Austin Sumner is finished with his career at SDSU, most people will agree he was the best out of that year's SD high school grads. I'd also bet that USD has athletes and will in the future have athletes about whom we'll say the same. Compare a recent defection, Gebhart, who went to NDSU to be a receiver. (His sister was an All-American track athlete for USD -- an example of choices available to our students). Compare Gebhart to your own Will Powell from Sioux Falls. I'd take Will Powell any day. Any day. No knock on Gebhart but just pointing out that some of our best are also staying in state. Here's the goal for our state and should be for any state: we should expect our state to provide opportunities for our young people so that they have choices. At the same time, we have to prepare our young people to be ready to go anywhere. Considering how we don't exactly break the bank in support of education in this state, I think we do a remarkably good job on both points (and that's probably why we continue to spend relatively little on education). [BUT we need to work a lot on opportunities for our young people after they complete their formal education.]
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Post by 88grad on Nov 25, 2011 20:49:56 GMT -6
Just thinking about a possible coaching wish list of local "talent". I don't have a head coach in mind but I'd like to see Augie's Mick Aldrich as D-coordinator and Kurtiss Riggs as O-coordinator. Thoughts?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 25, 2011 21:41:12 GMT -6
Kurtis Riggs is intriguing for me. He has been a part of some very good teams from a coaching perspecitve. He definately knows coaching so if he is a candidate for anything I would have interest in exploring him as an idea. Aldrich I am not sure about but my gut says "no".
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Post by sdsportsfan2010 on Nov 26, 2011 5:04:06 GMT -6
What sucks is when the good SD kids end up at NDSU. They have 5 SD kids on their roster. USD and SDSU have 0 ND kids on their rosters. We should never lose our best athletes to NDSU or UND or any other FCS school. They should end up at USD or SDSU. That's not a simple issue. NDSU doesn't have a single North Dakota kid on its men's basketball team. NDSU has relatively few ND athletes on its football team. One obvious reason USD and SDSU have 0 ND kids on their rosters: there are very few D1 athletes in ND. Ever check how many ND athletes are on UND's powerhouse hockey team? One. He's from Grand Forks. There's more than one state legislator in North Dakota who questions why they have state-supported universities educating Minnesota's kids (personally, I think that's a short-sighted view: universities should be viewed as economic-development engines and a means for attracting people to a state). USD's volleyball team (I watched it beat the Jackrabbits) has 0 SD athletes on the roster. Your women's basketball team has 2 SD athletes. Your coaches are recruiting athletes they think fit in their programs etc. and you know, for the most part their decisions have been pretty good during the D1 transition. Bottom line: we don't lose our best athletes to NDSU or UND or other FCS schools. I think NDSU picked up some good SD athletes but I think I can easily show they weren't our best. For example, I'm willing to bet that when SDSU's RdShrt freshman quarterback Austin Sumner is finished with his career at SDSU, most people will agree he was the best out of that year's SD high school grads. I'd also bet that USD has athletes and will in the future have athletes about whom we'll say the same. Compare a recent defection, Gebhart, who went to NDSU to be a receiver. (His sister was an All-American track athlete for USD -- an example of choices available to our students). Compare Gebhart to your own Will Powell from Sioux Falls. I'd take Will Powell any day. Any day. No knock on Gebhart but just pointing out that some of our best are also staying in state. Here's the goal for our state and should be for any state: we should expect our state to provide opportunities for our young people so that they have choices. At the same time, we have to prepare our young people to be ready to go anywhere. Considering how we don't exactly break the bank in support of education in this state, I think we do a remarkably good job on both points (and that's probably why we continue to spend relatively little on education). [BUT we need to work a lot on opportunities for our young people after they complete their formal education.] I didnt know ND sucked for athletics. No wonder they have to come here and grab our athletes. I know they arent getting our best athletes but i dont think they should get any of them at NDSU or UND. SDSU and USD should make sure of that.
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Post by coyoterj on Nov 26, 2011 8:18:28 GMT -6
Just thinking about a possible coaching wish list of local "talent". I don't have a head coach in mind but I'd like to see Augie's Mick Aldrich as D-coordinator and Kurtiss Riggs as O-coordinator. Thoughts? I'm a little curious why no one is mentioning Chuck Morrell's name as an "idea"? Comes from a GREAT football family and he has been VERY successful everywhere he's been. He took a struggling Montana Tech program over this year and showed GREAT improvement. He's a SD guy, Bon Homme HS, and he may not have A LOT of D-1 experience, his defense at USF BEAT UND and his teams ALWAYS are a force to be reckoned with. Just my .02 worth, I have ALL THE FAITH IN THE WORLD in Mr Sayler. Also keep in mind, where David has been in the past has quality people I'm sure. RJ
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Post by drdank on Nov 26, 2011 9:30:05 GMT -6
Okay, I'm sure Ed did enough to screw himself on his own. The road record speaks for itself and there are other rumors floating why Saylor pulled the trigger so fast.
What worries me most is over the past years there have been people on this board with personal attacks against Ed. They consistantly refer back to the old days and coaches. I think they really want us back in the NCC. Hooray for you, Ed is dead, but you are trying to bury the program.
We are D-I and in the toughest conference in the FCS. We need suggestions to move us forward not drag us back to the old days.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 26, 2011 12:26:53 GMT -6
Okay, I'm sure Ed did enough to screw himself on his own. The road record speaks for itself and there are other rumors floating why Saylor pulled the trigger so fast. What worries me most is over the past years there have been people on this board with personal attacks against Ed. They consistantly refer back to the old days and coaches. I think they really want us back in the NCC. Hooray for you, Ed is dead, but you are trying to bury the program. We are D-I and in the toughest conference in the FCS. We need suggestions to move us forward not drag us back to the old days. I wish you would elaborate on those comments a bit. I haven't read too many blatent personal attacks against Ed on here at least not recently. I think most people liked Ed and his engaging personality. I think it's fair the way things have played out with the quick dismissal to question some things or maybe want to know more about any off the field issues that may be contributing to things. As far as dragging the program back and not forward I don't think anyone wants that. Certainly Sayler is going to find the best coach period. We really don't know of many names of candidates as of yet because nothing has really been put out from the admin on any of the names being considered. I would not mind a total and complete house cleaning with the football program. As far as any past coaches the one that interests me the most is Caruso. I can't think of any others that would interest me enough to go with them. I think the coach hired is ultimately going to be an outsider that none or us or at least most of us haven't heard of before. I have faith that Sayler will give us the best coach possible to move this program forward. We certainly weren't moving forward with what was in place prior to Ed's dismissal.
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