drmike
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Post by drmike on Oct 11, 2010 11:51:03 GMT -6
i always like when people say 'no disrepect to Davis, BUT' or 'you know me, i'm not one to gripe about officials BUT...'
that's a really bad show for a coach. i appreciate he didn't throw any players under the bus for poor performances, but, you can't rail against officials like that. i was listening to the Davis broadcast, and his recollection of the fumble was different than i heard. from the time the Davis player had the ball, it sounded like they were celebrating. the officials took A LONG time (they did all night), but, the call didn't seem to come as a surprise to the Davis announcers or sideline.
i've heard Davis parents refer to officials as 'homers' when gripping about losses where we got outplayed/outcoached, but never saw one of our coaches stoop to that level.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 11, 2010 13:44:33 GMT -6
As far as I am concerned Ed has the right and priviledge to say what he wants about the officiating. Anyone that is commenting that didn't actually have a good look at the call really can't make a fair assessment of the situation. Eventhough Ed may be looked down upon his comments (which does not including me amongst that group) sometimes getting into the ear and complaining can bring better results the next time around. USD wrote a letter to the NCAA/regional selection committee when the 2005 football team was left out of the playoffs complaining that they should have been in, and gave their reasons. The very next year when USD wasn't quite as good and perhaps didn't have as strong of a resume ended up getting in. For those that allow themselves to get taken advantage of will likely continue to get taken advantage of. Good job Ed.
I believe in voicing options and Ed simply voiced his option. As long as he has a good case and isn't reaching at straws I have no problem with what he did.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 11, 2010 14:04:47 GMT -6
The Davis fans in here have been respectfull but what would the tone be if the roles were reversed and Davis was the team 0-2 in the past couple of years. It's easy to say "good game and congrats on the effort, you should be proud of your team" when their team wins but would those comments also come out if the Aggies hadn't won the game and were on the short end of what looked like some (at least) questionable calls. If their coach had spoken out would UC Davis fans be throwing their coach under the bus. Personally I wouldn't really have a problem if opponents coaches weren't happy if they believed they were jobbed.
Even if USD got robbed on some calls I tend to look beyond that. Maybe Meierkort should be looking into why his teams nearly always ends up on the short end of the stick in these kinds of games. Maybe he should look into why the Coyotes simply don't make big plays at the end of tight games. It's not just bad luck when the Yotes are consistantly coming up short in these situations. I think those types of things really test a teams fortitude. They either have the "It" factor or they "don't". Right now USD doesn't have the "it" factor when the gauntlet is truley laid down. USD has playmakers and they still can't make the big plays when they need to. I think if the players felt the confidence from the sidelines they would also feel their own personal confidence as well. That not to say their is "no confidence" but I think it's more the just cooincidence that USD falls short in these moments. USD paniced at the end of the game. They went for too much and tried to force it on the last drive instead of marching down the field, managing the clock and just taking what was there. There was likely some inexperience from Warren and Wes in these types of situations that didn't help matter. But then on the other hand Shepard wasn't able to make those big types of plays either and he was experienced most of the time after his freshman year.
This is what USD needs to do. They need to look back at all instances of games where they feel they should have or could have won by making one or two more plays. Look at how the team performed and try to analyse and correct those shortcomings for the next time around. This absolutely is not mean to be a knock but maybe a sports psychologist could help in these moments.
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drmike
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Post by drmike on Oct 11, 2010 14:20:37 GMT -6
The Davis fans in here have been respectfull but what would the tone be if the roles were reversed and Davis was the team 0-2 in the past couple of years. It's easy to say "good game and congrats on the effort, you should be proud of your team" when their team wins but would those comments also come out if the Aggies hadn't won the game and were on the short end of what looked like some (at least) questionable calls. If their coach had spoken out would UC Davis fans be throwing their coach under the bus. Personally I wouldn't really have a problem if opponents coaches weren't happy if they believed they were jobbed. actually, i think Davis fans WOULD be upset with our coaches over comments like that. last year vs. Sac State (Big Sky officials...the conference we are going to) we got screwed on a catch in-bounds that would have sealed the game; after the change of possession Sac marched and scored a TD with 7 seconds to go to win a rivalry game that (perhaps) kept us from a playoff berth. Biggs didn't whine about the call; he praised Sac for marching 80 yards, and took the blame for allowing them to. the fumble call hurt.....giving up the 34-yard TD pass on the next play hurt even more. there are 22 pages of posts here, almost all from USD fans, and i don't remember one complaining about the officiating killing them. lots of complaints about passing game, mistakes, and coaching decision....but...not the officials. seriously....the disbanding of the GreatWest is because of the officiating?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 11, 2010 14:29:15 GMT -6
Granted that was bad luck for Davis but Ed referred to a series of bad calls not just one call at the end of the game. Teams get bad calls. My argument isn't about the officiating personally but I will back Ed if he thinks he got jobbed. Now it's time to take a look in the mirror and figure out what to do from here. The UNI game may be looked upon as the tipping point of the season or at the least a very big game but the S. Utah game is a far more important game the week after. USD will likely have a shot at the conference title if they can win that game. As luck would have it, USD is due for a good performance against UNI and due to lay an egg against Southern Utah. Both could very well happen considering the every other week performance of the team.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 11, 2010 14:35:25 GMT -6
This is another instance that shows how classless Ed can be. Honestly, he is going to say the league is disbanding because of the officials? Ummmmmm USD wants out of the conference before this game! This was always a band-aid league!
The officials didn't cost USD the game. Yes, they may have been bad calls, I didn't see them of course, but they didn't affect the outcome of the game.
Only scoring 13 points is what affected the game. USD had COUNTLESS opportunities to score but pissed it down their leg. Dante couldn't hit an open receiver downfield to save his life, plus there were too many dropped passes.
To me it seemed like USD was looking ahead to UNI and Ed needed an excuse, but didn't feel like blaming his team I guess, or the coaching which he did against North Dakota State.
Sometimes, Ed needs a lesson on how to be a D-I head coach. This is the big time Ed. It wasn't the officials. In fact, it might have been how he prepared his players for the game.
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Post by drmike on Oct 11, 2010 14:59:19 GMT -6
me thinks Ed might not enjoy the trip to Cedar City in a couple weeks.
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Post by quadshock on Oct 11, 2010 15:04:42 GMT -6
Fans will say what they want, but to have a coach say something like this on the record would be a huge deal for UCD fans. We may complain about our coaches (especially in basketball), but no one can deny that they set a good example for the team when it comes to being a good sport.
Like Dr. Mike said, it certainly didn't seem like anyone on these boards had a problem with the calls. There will be good ones and bad ones and while it may piss us off it is part of the game. I remember at our game against SJSU the fans were FURIOUS due to some of the calls, but the team did not let it phase them. I think that is why we managed to win from behind.
If the coach blames it on the officiating, and the players follow suit, I can imagine it will be hard to have a winning attitude.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 11, 2010 15:08:10 GMT -6
CF#1 both of us have been critical of Ed but we are for different reasons. I don't care about the things like what he says post game, how he acts in his personal life etc. his general personality etc. I care how he is as a football coach and that is about it.
Ed is tremendous as a recruiter. Ed seems to have the respect of his players. Ed has an infectious personality and generally is interesting to listen to. Ed gets his player motivated. What kills Ed as a head coach and this has been true since he got here is that he just doesn't take care of the detail oriented tasks. He seems to have a short memory on football related things, more in particular correcting things that go wrong. The Yotes seem to make the same mistake over and over without them getting resolved. This year has done nothing to change my mind.
If your goal as a fan is to be a .500 type FCS team that is likely what USD will be. If your goal is to make the playoffs consistantly and to make a serious run at a national title that is something I wouldn't hold my breathe on. USD just doesn't do all the little things right that it takes to be a really good team. They can play really good games, just not on a consistant basis. A prime example is the special teams. There are so many instances with the kicking game having head scratching moments. How is it at all acceptable to have a kickoff go out of bounds about once a game. Those are what some people call the little things. Those are the types of things that will kill the program.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 11, 2010 15:27:07 GMT -6
I think USD has the talent to be a play-off level team when eligible, but I don't know if Ed is the guy to do this honestly, for the reason Coyote Fan listed above. It just seems that with as much as the team improves at times, it takes as many steps back. Ed can't go after the officials here because the offense only scored 13 points.
I do have to disagree with the recruiting on the defensive side of the ball. The linebacking core outside of Adam Broders and the defensive line is just not up to par. We were told how great they were, but it seems they aren't improving week after week. I think Ed talks a good game with recruiting, but where are all the players he said LAST year that could've been starting from day one, like Tyler Starr? This needs to get figured out.
I know I am going to probably be blasted on this, but I expect more than a .500 winning percentage at D-I when the talent is there, it's the execution that's not getting it done.
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Post by yoteforever on Oct 11, 2010 16:03:35 GMT -6
I am not going to blast either one of you. The fact that CF wants to be not mediocre is ok with me, as long as his expectations are reasonable.
#1CF, because we know each other, I have a great deal of respect how you analyze the game. I don't believe you have to have played ball in the past to be able to assess certain things now.
But what I will tell the both of you is this. As a former player, sometimes you two might not have full understanding what the players go through. Travel is tough, and being in a strange bed is tough the night before a game. Eating on our budget is not what I would call fancy cuisine.
Here is another fact you both need to realize, and that this team is basically playing with redshirt sophomores and younger against teams that have been in the transition longer. I think we proved we are ahead of North Dakota at this point, and not just because we won. It is how we won.
Our defensive line is very suspect, I agree. Some of that is coaching. In order to compete and succeed at any level, there has to be this "unity feeling" type of thing that makes you an important part of the equation. Back in the 70's, that's how the name HOWLING PACK came into being. The defense was the strength and backbone of the mid-late 70's era whcih produced the last conference championship. That D was so nasty they were referred to as The Howling Pack, then got pared down to the Pack Patrol.
Either way, there was an identity of nastiness associated with that team. In the Joe Salem era, it was like a pinball machine the way USD put on points. We beat most teams 40 something to thirty something. All the time.
This USD team is pretty damned good. They are competeting with the big boys at all levels. They don't have to make excuses as far as I am concerned. The benchmark will be if they continue making progress and narrow the gap or close it all together. That will be the defining period in time.
I like Ed, and I think they are well coached. Is there room for improvement? Hell yes there is. Will we get better? I don't know, but I am betting yes. Ed has NOT given me a reason to be skeptical, but every reason to be optimistic.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 11, 2010 17:00:52 GMT -6
Yoteforever,
You touched on a point that I think was COMPLETELY disregarded coming into the game. I mentioned the road would be a factor, not on the board, but in person to someone, and they said it was just UC Davis.
I disagreed with that because it's a two-hour time difference. I thank you for bringing that up, since that probably had something to do with Dante's performance. Thank you for having me look back on that factor.
I probably did get caught up in the heat of the moment there, and I like former players like you pointing this out, because that is something that can be lost in the analysis. I was disappointed with how the game went and didn't take into account that factor.
This is also a young team, which I have to take into account. I think I threw that out the window when USD beat Minnesota, but that's something that still should be taken into account, especially at the offensive and defensive front. It takes a full year to get going and to take the adjustments into the offseason sometimes.
Thank you yoteforever for pointing this out. I played in high school, but it's been a while and it's GREAT to get a player's perspective.
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Post by oldgoat on Oct 11, 2010 17:08:03 GMT -6
CF are you saying that USD got into the playoffs the next year because the U wrote a letter complaining that we got screwed ? doubt it
everyone has the right to their oppinion. for those that think that its ok for a coach at any level to publicly lay a loss on the refs thats your oppinion. i think its a head coaches job to stay away from that ledge thats my oppinion. i like ed i hope he doesnt go anywhere, he is laying a solid foundation for the program. for us to be in year three in trans and have some quality wins some heart breaking losses and a few ass kickings im happy as hell.(we lost to uc davis by only four points with dante AND his receivers playing like crap} ya we lost but thats an established program on the west coast. ya there are some issues, let morrel have this year i think we will like what we see in the future. when wes gets to run the offense the way he got to play it under ? s##t cant rember his name for an entire game things will look different . i for one am happy to be a coyote fan, and to be able to watch the yotes play the home schedule they are this year i think is i pretty damb special to!! sorry to ramble GO YOTES !!!!!!!!
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 11, 2010 18:05:32 GMT -6
I know I am going to probably be blasted on this, but I expect more than a .500 winning percentage at D-I when the talent is there, it's the execution that's not getting it done. You are not going to get blasted for me on this. I agree that USD should be a top 25 team in the FCS and to seriously contend for a national title is possible. People think I am tough and I am to a degree but I have no tollerance as a fan for watching the Coyotes beat themselves. I see it much too often. I agree that the talent is on the roster but maybe a step behind on defense. On the D side of the ball the talent is obviously there at least somewhat because they prove they play much better at home so they have it in them. Lets not forget that USD tends to stub their toe when talent isn't the issue being discussed. Things like having a good kicking game and having a solid pass coverage scheme on defense just are not up to par nearly enough. It's great to get excited about moments like the Gophers but the Coyotes are their own worst enemy. I don't remember a team stopping their own momentum nearly as much as the Yotes. It goes no further than the self inflicted wounds administered by themselves.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 11, 2010 18:21:07 GMT -6
I like Ed, and I think they are well coached. Is there room for improvement? Hell yes there is. Will we get better? I don't know, but I am betting yes. Ed has NOT given me a reason to be skeptical, but every reason to be optimistic. I agree with what you said about the team and the upside etc. As a fan I thank you for what you did for Coyote football. Where I disagree is that I do believe there are reasons to be skeptical. I think maybe the reason Ed isn't a FBS coach right now is his lack of attention to detail. Wouldn't you admit that through the years his teams don't take care of the important fine details of the game and often tend to take too many steps backwards to kill their own momentum. In my opinion Ed does alot of good things such as recruiting talented players and creating good buzz about the team. If he was just able to tighten all the loose ends of the team as we see them on the field this USD could be a true national title contender. USD has to take care of all the little things nearly 100% of the time. That is the difference between USD and the elite programs. It was glaring at the D2 level. USD had the talent to win a national title but the many small steps backwards just killed them. USD would play so well only to have games like losing at UMD or at Minnesota State kill them. IMO that is the biggest different between the Sioux and the Yotes. UND won a national title because they were so consistant, because they would rarely beat themselves. They were sound on defense. I think the talent level has been very similar since Ed took over. The things that I see the Yotes doing to hurt themselves that are 100% prevantable and not based on talent is what drives me insane as a fan.
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