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Post by jackjd on Oct 9, 2010 0:05:04 GMT -6
Nothing like the feeling of being hopelessly dragged back into a USD-SDSU discussion. It's kind of like stepping into quicksand. Good analogy with quicksand. I'm actually kinda tired of that debate ... it never really changes much. My purpose in initially posting in this thread was to make the point that there are many boosters (and many fans who may not donate money) who for many years have had no interest in SDSU playing USD in football. It's not just two big boosters. I agree the first time USD and SDSU play one another in football, there's potential for a big crowd. But, after the first time, I think the USD game at Coughlin may not draw as much as the NDSU game at Coughlin. Very few teams travel like NDSU. Conference affiliation could have some impact so where USD ends up for a conference in football could influence attendance (I think I can make a case that the attendance would be greater if SDSU and USD were in difference conferences). Good luck against UC-Davis. The Aggies always put a good team on the field. I'll listen for the scores and then discuss the game with my USD son. I'll be in Brookings watching the Jackrabbits try to get a win against powerful Western Illinois led by a quarterback who some believe will be playing on Sundays.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 9, 2010 1:21:44 GMT -6
JackJD,
I agree that there are probably more than two boosters that oppose it, but I am guessing it's two of the top boosters basically. That's the problem.
I am going to look at the Utah-BYU rivalry right now. That was basically dead two months ago after BYU said it was going independent and both schools said a LOT of nasty things about each other, a LOT worse than anything USD and SDSU fans said to each other. Yesterday, they agreed to renew the rivalry as non-conference members. In doing so, Utah canceled a very lucrative deal with Boise State in the process.
I think if those two can kiss and make up so fast with even worse things that were said and done, I think USD-SDSU can.
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Post by pierreyote on Oct 9, 2010 8:29:08 GMT -6
I agree. The Air Force game is a good get and can help recruiting Colorado. USD v. SDSU FB will happen sooner or later and it should be a fun atmosphere. Until then I guess we should just all be more concerned with who is on our schedule.
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Post by jackjd on Oct 9, 2010 8:39:22 GMT -6
It seems that by saying there are two top boosters holding up scheduling, you're suggesting that the game will be scheduled if those top two boosters were somehow cleared out of the way, convinced to change their minds, ignored, whatever. One of my points in posting is to state my opinion that a significant number of SDSU fans and boosters fall into two categories on this matter: 1. they are opposed to scheduling USD in football; or 2. they are indifferent to scheduling USD. Combined, those groups spell, at a minimum: no interest.
That's the message the SDSU athletic department hears. I think the SDSU athletic department would have a different reaction if there was a strong sentiment to reschedule USD in football.
While I am sure there are some SDSU fans who want to meet USD in football, I do not believe they are anywhere near as large as the "no interest" group.
Personally, I have no interest in seeing the two teams play each other. Some day, if the AD and those who do the scheduling decide otherwise, I'll accept that.
As I opined before, I think this is one of those issues on which people will disagree. That happens. I do not expect USD fans to agree with my opinions but you ought to know there are many out there who have the same opinions. I think the indifference is explainable but I know USD fans will not accept the explanation.
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Post by usdfbalum on Oct 9, 2010 8:50:41 GMT -6
I believe those people who you say are indifferent are in denial. sdsu fans are right that playing USD would do nothing to help their program - losing rarely does.
They can be as indifferent as they want - USD is coming, and is not going away. Buckle your chin-straps.
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Post by pierreyote on Oct 9, 2010 9:03:57 GMT -6
RECAP:
An attempt was made by both sides to schedule a game. It didn't work out for whatever reason. The U has a FBS money game with Air Force. SDSU has an open date that may lead to a home, road, or no game. We need state more than they need us. We don't understand the complexity and reasons because we went to the U. The explanation and secret is contained within a chapter of a book authored by a SDSU and well known U hater. I propose that we just sit back and schedule our games and move on. We can play state when their administration and fanbase decide that we are worthy and fortunate to be graced on their schedule. Is Dr. Oien in Sell's ear?
Ok then.
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Post by jackjd on Oct 9, 2010 9:13:43 GMT -6
I don't know if this board's software has something like "rep points" but if it does, I'd give pierreyote some. That was pretty funny.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 9, 2010 9:22:14 GMT -6
I think it's pretty pathetic when I heard both sides say they are indifferent for a USD-SDSU game. That is pure stupid. I am glad Sayler and Sell are working on a 2 and 2 contract right now for 2013 and beyond. Hopefully it gets worked out to show you how great the game will be.
Both sides need to get with the program and know this is the best for both sides. Honestly, what is football without these two teams playing. What if Michigan-Ohio State stopped playing, or Stanford-Cal, or Oregon-Oregon State, or Texas-Oklahoma. People would be up in arms.
I don't care if it's boosters or regular fans who are indifferent about the game, either way, being indifferent about the game just makes you completely stupid and un-understanding of college football in general.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 9, 2010 10:06:03 GMT -6
It's obvious what the hold-up is, SDSU perceives they are superior because they had the "vision" to FOLLOW NDSU into D1. They believe there is a gap between USD and SDSU. Truth is, there is a gap, USD is BETTER than SDSU right now and we are only in year 3 of transition. That's why the game doesn't happen, if they play and lose they don't just lose a game, they lose that perceived superiority. Problem for them is that will happen this year when UND comes into CAS and beats them.
I'm just gonna continue enjoying this season. I see no reason why USD could not win out and finish the season accomplishing their goals.
1. Win the conference. 2. Avenge last years losses. 3. Finish the season ranked.
9-2 does all those things.
The Air Force game next year is a great get. Better than playing SDSU, IMO.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 9, 2010 10:45:31 GMT -6
I would much rather see USD play SDSU than see USD travel to play Air Force any day.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 9, 2010 10:50:02 GMT -6
Since USD has been more than willing to play and SDSU for whatever reason hasn't (and the legit excuses are now gone) wanted to play USD is now the better program period. When SDSU went D1 they wanted a challenge but apparently that challenge needs to come from anyone in the entire country not named USD. Those that take their ball home pouting and don't choose to play have no respect in my book.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2010 11:04:19 GMT -6
So we have Sayler and Herbster on record saying that SDSU has two major donors standing in the way of a scheduled game between SDSU-USD. I still dont think we have the full story. Seems like the Howling pack was looking for red meat here, and they had to say something since they got turned down. I have no idea what Sells told USD officals, but I think it has to do with other scheduling opportunities and possibly there is another money game on the table. What these two donors have to do with this matter is stupid talk. They are not the tails wagging the Coyote. Plain and simple.
You guys can huff and puff all you want.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2010 11:19:28 GMT -6
RECAP: An attempt was made by both sides to schedule a game. It didn't work out for whatever reason. The U has a FBS money game with Air Force. SDSU has an open date that may lead to a home, road, or no game. We need state more than they need us. We don't understand the complexity and reasons because we went to the U. The explanation and secret is contained within a chapter of a book authored by a SDSU and well known U hater. I propose that we just sit back and schedule our games and move on. We can play state when their administration and fanbase decide that we are worthy and fortunate to be graced on their schedule. Is Dr. Oien in Sell's ear? Ok then. I had a short conversation with Dr. Oien recently. I asked him about these scheduling rumors and he said he was out of the loop and knows little if nothing about what goes on in his former kingdom. Justin Sells is the new AD and he expressed that Justin was doing a very good job and he did not need his help. I reminded him of a scene from the movie About Schmidt featuring Jack Nickelson. Nickleson character Warren Schmidt in the opening scene was very organized in his office on the last day of work. He was going to retire after a long career as an insurance actuary. All his files were neatly labelled and ready for his successor. Warren returns to his office a couple of weeks after retiring and he was lost to say the least, and he thought he could help his successor out. He walked into the new guys office which was a corner office with windows, something Warren did not have and he asked if he needed his help on any thing. The guy did not have the time of day for him and politely said no he did not need his help. Warren left and on returning to his car, he walked by some dumpsters which contained all his files that he had neatly arranged on his last days of work. Fred actually got a laugh out of this. So a similar thing has happen at SDSU. Sells calls his own shots and answers to the President CHicoine and not to Dr. Oien.
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Post by pierreyote on Oct 9, 2010 12:25:11 GMT -6
Nidaros
I believe everything you said concerning Dr. Oien and Sell are 100% correct. I just tossed that last bit to finish my sarcastic retort. My entire post flowed from fact to Black Helicopter Conspiracy Theory.
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Post by yoteforever on Oct 11, 2010 9:19:47 GMT -6
First of all, JackJD truely is one of the good guys that are on both boards. He has a very realistic perspective as to what is going on, and has general feel for SDSU athletics.
I think he is right when he says that many SDSU fans don't want to play us. For some "blown out of proportion" feeling, SDSU fans feel USD dissed them as a whole when they went D-1. I don't know if that happened or didn't, but in my opinion, it doesn't matter anymore. Our fan base is maybe more enthusiastic on playing the Jacks right now simply because we feel we could beat them. That is something Jacks fans wouldn't want on their plate right now, and I understand that.
Now, the business side of the game is undeniable. Remember jacks fans, USD has the business school (jab). It is a no brainer. Whether we outdraw NDSU or not I don't know, but I do know for certain that we outdraw McNeese State, or Delaware, or some other good FCS non-regional team. Travel costs are miniscule compared to road trips like that.
We may not get into the MVC, so I don't think a riivalry game is a "given". I think the Big Sky may come calling first, and if so, then we have a tough decision to make.
Anyway, all that being said, I do think jackJD speaks for the masses in Brookings and is NOT looking to irrittate or debate. I will tell you, there are some other boneheads on that site that no matter what the facts were would argue them till the day they died.
SDSU did have a 3/2 deal offered, and AD Self declined and closing comments was he would have " a couple of prominent boosters all over his a$$".
SO................bring on Air Force. Quite a good deal for USD
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