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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 11, 2010 13:35:23 GMT -6
SDSU did have a 3/2 deal offered, and AD Self declined and closing comments was he would have " a couple of prominent boosters all over his a$$". SO................bring on Air Force. Quite a good deal for USD So if Sell is going to allow a couple of prominent boosters to make that decision for him, why not just hand over the directorship to those primary boosters and see where they lead the department. If he is letting other people call the shots he isn't truley in charge then.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 11, 2010 13:41:07 GMT -6
Trust me, Sell is definitely in charge there, he just has to undone all the hate Fred Oien set in there, and that takes time. Luckily it's only two major donors that are speaking out, because I bet you that's down from when Sell took over.
College sports is all about the donors unfortunately, because it's become such a money game. This isn't just happening at SDSU honestly.
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Post by prairiehaas on Oct 11, 2010 20:13:20 GMT -6
I know it is hard for USD fans to understand why SDSU fans aren't demanding to play USD in FB. Please know, though, that in the decade prior to moving up to D1 many SDSU fans considered the rivalries with NDSU and Augie more important. NDSU because they are a sister school and Augie because geographically closer. The rivalry with NDSU has only become larger, much larger.
I've a nephew at USD that would like to see a game against SDSU so he can measure how good USD is. My reply to him and advise to you is that Davis and Poly are very good measurements.
Get to know FCS, there is much tradition and color with the various conferences and schools. The oldest continuous rivalry in college FB is in FCS. The oldest college FB conference is in FCS. Give the AD a break and play some of the FCS schools, get to know them and appreciate where USD has moved up to. I guarantee that the "need" to play SDSU will become less. And, when it happens, it will be enjoyable as a game and not a need.
I will step off the soapbox now, lest I be compared to CoyoteFan.
Have a good season. Beat UNI (another former NCC rival).
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 11, 2010 20:44:28 GMT -6
Have to throw the BS flag on prairiehaas. Looked up the attendance for mens basketball home games at Frost for the last 3 years the Bunnies were still D2. Here are the average attendance for the games against the Yotes and the 2 teams that the State fans cared about more than USD: Auge - 5,319, NDSU - 4,776 and the Yotes - 8,401. Don't you just hate when facts get in the way of an argument?
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Post by prairiehaas on Oct 11, 2010 21:01:30 GMT -6
You are assuming all of those attending were SDSU fans.
Given the SDSU/USD game was the biggest game of the season for USD. And, given the travel proximity of the USD fan base (as opposed to the NDSU fan base) to Brookings. And, given the number of local USD alums (as opposed to Augie alums) in the area. Perhaps a significant percentage of the fans at those games were USD fans?
I'm not trying to start a fight here over who is SDSU's biggest rival. All I'm saying is give the wide world of FCS a chance. There were many SDSU fans that thought losing the games against Augie, USD and UND would hurt the programs. They didn't. And playing a wider group of schools increased interest in the FB program. This could work for USD also if given a chance, and if the focus on playing SDSU is dropped.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 11, 2010 22:05:42 GMT -6
Prairiehaas, I don't like to get down on SDSU fans, but I am going to go Billy Madison on you.
No where in your argument did you make a coherent statement. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 11, 2010 22:06:48 GMT -6
For sake of assumption, assume NDSU only averaged 100 fans traveling to Brookings, that would leave an average of 4676 SDSU fans at games agains the Bison. Assuming the same interest in Augie as NDSU, then that would be 4676 SDSU fans at the Augie game and 643 Augie fans. Since the SDSU fans care more about the Bison & Doggies than the Yotes then should be at least 10% less State fans at the U-State game then the fan makeup at those games would have to be 4208 State fans & 4193 Yote fans.
The Yotes understand the FCS world & have a fantastic home schedule this year. What I don't understand is the reluctance of State to play the Yotes. The only logical explanation is that the Bunnies have tried to sell the perception, since they went FCS first, they are the better team and are afraid of having their bubble burst by suffering a defeat at the hands of the Yotes.
Speaking of improving interest in your FB program, try beating an FBS program, it does wonders. (All in good fun)
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Post by jackjd on Oct 11, 2010 23:07:22 GMT -6
Not sure why people are talking about Frost Arena attendance when actual football attendance figures are available for Coughlin Alumni Stadium. (And, we all know SDSU and USD will regularly meet in basketball when USD joins the Summit.) For your fact-spinning pleasure, consider the following facts and plug them into your arguments as you see fit: Since SDSU moved to D1, there have been 20 football home games with crowds of more than 10,000. (Source, which is available on line for anyone to see: SDSU 2010 Football Media Guide, which states there were 18 games prior to this season. The two home games this season each easily exceeded 10,000 fans so I updated the total to 20.) The 10 largest crowds at Coughlin, listing opponent, crowd size and year: 1. NDSU 16,345, 2007 2. USD 16,193, 1985 3. USD 15,866, 1975 4. UNI 15,523, 2009 5. McNeese State 15,521, 2008 6. Stephan F. Austin 15,338, 2007 7. UC-Davis 15,248, 2006 8. USD 15,153, 1977 9. Texas State 14,920, 2007 10. Missouri-Rolla 14,503, 2005 (Source: SDSU 2010 Football Media Guide.) I’m pretty sure I attended at least eight of those 10 games. I note there are no Augustana games listed in the top 10 but prior to the D-1 move, I recall there were some. The fact that USD does not appear on the list since 1985 tells us what many noted: there was a drop off in fan interest in USD / SDSU games after 1985 but I think there can be no dispute that a USD v SDSU football game will attract a large crowd. I assume the SDSU Athletic Office is fully aware of the potential for a big crowd and takes that into account when scheduling. Anyone claiming games against the likes of McNeese State, Stephan F. Austin, UC-Davis, Texas State or our conference mates UNI and NDSU won’t have big crowds are ignorant of the facts. So, there are the facts. Feel free to spin them your direction. The reason I was initially interested in this thread was the suggestion two boosters – only two – were stopping the scheduling of USD in football. I know for a fact there are more than just two boosters who are not in favor of scheduling USD in football in the near future. #1CoyoteFan stated: “I don't care if it's boosters or regular fans who are indifferent about the game, either way, being indifferent about the game just makes you completely stupid and un-understanding of college football in general.” I’m still indifferent and the name calling didn’t change my mind.
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Post by yotemeal on Oct 11, 2010 23:28:42 GMT -6
Can we now at least agree that logistics are secondary to will?
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Post by U FAN on Oct 12, 2010 5:32:01 GMT -6
Many USD fans want to play SDSU because they have lots of friends and family that go to SDSU. I also know many SDSU fans that want to play USD for the same reason. In our family we have about half the current college age grandkids at each school. Holidays get a little spirited and it is all in good fun. They want to play because these are the 2 largest state colleges and it only makes sense. Most people in SD have some kind of affiliation to 1 of the 2 schools if not both. It would just be fun. I guess as taxpayers in this state and families that actually pay the tuitions of the students we have no say in the matter.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 12, 2010 7:41:54 GMT -6
^^^ U FAN, you need to register so I can give you positive karma for such a good post.
My take, forget about SDSU. UND is a better rival anyway. They have a traditionally better football program, and beating the Sioux, like this year, is much more of an accomplishment. I know UND is having a rough time right now, but give them time and they will be back. We need to stay ahead of them and beat them every year. If we can do that we will be a top level FCS program.
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Post by shamrock on Oct 12, 2010 9:45:02 GMT -6
umm. back to air force great for the program. top 25 team who only lost to OU by 3. big time checks in back to back years with two fbs games in each season. my guess is air force and wisco combined will be bigger
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Post by prairiehaas on Oct 16, 2010 17:32:21 GMT -6
^^^ U FAN, you need to register so I can give you positive karma for such a good post. My take, forget about SDSU. UND is a better rival anyway. They have a traditionally better football program, and beating the Sioux, like this year, is much more of an accomplishment. I know UND is having a rough time right now, but give them time and they will be back. We need to stay ahead of them and beat them every year. If we can do that we will be a top level FCS program. You are correct. UND does have a better overall record in FB at just above a 60% winning percentage. Only a few hundredths percent above NDSU and 5 percentage points above SDSU. But then USD is only at 50% overall, 3rd best in SD behind SDSU and NSU. Oh well.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 17, 2010 0:08:06 GMT -6
ironically the same two teams that USD has a winning overall record against. I think head to head over the years is the best indicator.
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Post by notkiotees on Oct 17, 2010 9:07:50 GMT -6
[You are correct. UND does have a better overall record in FB at just above a 60% winning percentage. Only a few hundredths percent above NDSU and 5 percentage points above SDSU. But then USD is only at 50% overall, 3rd best in SD behind SDSU and NSU. Oh well. [/quote]
Is this thinly veiled smack in a non-smack thread?? What would filbert say??
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