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Post by easmus on Apr 26, 2017 18:09:29 GMT -6
If memory serves me, the Big Sky was going to add a conference game when Idaho came back, thus cutting back on a non-conference game. Not sure if that changes after losing UND. But it would be interesting to have more games against teams from other FCS conferences such as Southland in the coming years...so long as it is later in September for less heat on us northerners.
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 26, 2017 18:14:24 GMT -6
I would like to see us play some home and homes against other schools as well such as Maine, New Hampshirw, William and Mary, etc. That would make it fun
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Post by elcoyote on Apr 26, 2017 18:20:27 GMT -6
Last time we hosted Montana we ended up making two trips to Missoula in return (perhaps one of those was a paycheck game for us). According to this release we will make just one return trip to Missoula in 2022 this time around. No mention of ever returning the trip to Houston Baptist. 2016 was just their 4th year of having a football team, though they are FCS members in the Southland. Have to say, your 2019 schedule is really really good. As for the Montana return, USD have earned a one for one, you aren't new to FCS any longer. You won't be going to Missoula twice. You also won't likely make a return trip to Houston Baptist. USD is way above HB in the FCS pecking order. If it were McNeese or one of the Texas schools it would be a one for one. Not likely with Houston Baptist. Oh, and Yote53 is 100% correct. USD will NEVER schedule USF or Augie just like SDSU will never schedule them. It may get you attention, but not the type of attention you want. By playing them you are saying to the average sports fan in SF who is not a Coyote fan that they are at your level. It will NEVER happen. Win or lose you lose playing either of those schools. You had better be cautious Mr. jacksfan29 about giving us too much, or even any, credit for anything we do. Your contributions to this board have been solid and I'd hate to see the bunny thought police discovering your identity and placing you on double secret probation.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 26, 2017 20:34:57 GMT -6
I would like to see us play some home and homes against other schools as well such as Maine, New Hampshirw, William and Mary, etc. That would make it fun I have been saying this same thing for quite awhile. I obviously agree that it is time to schedule to the east and/or south more often.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 26, 2017 20:45:09 GMT -6
I think programs that are affraid to play games because of the fear of losing as far as I am concerned are scared programs. There is nothing wrong with playing Augie or USF. There would be little to gain for USD but what would the Coyotes be affraid of? It would be a fun game that would draw quite a few fans. I imagine more fans than what Drake would bring.
If the Coyotes should happened to lose then it would be a well deserved wake up call or reality check or whatever you want to call it. If the Coyotes are going to take a game at a place like Oklahoma which is pretty much an unwinnable game, a check and for program interest I don't see a problem with playing a game like USF or Augie. I would be more likely to want to watch that game and make the drive to the dome then I would if Drake was the opponent. Not just that but maybe an opponent like Minnesota State, Minnesota Duluth (which would have intrigue) or how about NW Missouri State. They are basically a MVFC team stuck in D2.
Most people would have a cardiac event if this were to happen but how about a home and home against USF. One year at the dome and the next at Howard Wood Field which would be a neutral field game. People will give every reason in the book and give it the big "No" but I say why not. It would be fun and Coyotes fans could attend both games easily.
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Post by easmus on Apr 26, 2017 20:54:49 GMT -6
I get the sense from this 2019 schedule that Bob & co have no interest in playing anyone lower than FCS. If they were ever going to do it, it would have been in a 12 game season and directly before or after Oklahoma. As it turns out, opening against a traditionally very good Montana team, followed by OU, then back home to a fairly new FCS team in Southern Baptist, who could be a good team in 3 seasons and certainly no guarantee of a W.
In summation, it appears 9/2/17 will be the last we see of Drake.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 26, 2017 21:20:37 GMT -6
2019 is shaping up nicely.
vs Montana at Oklahoma vs Houston Baptist at Northern Colorado
to start the season.
Every home game will be season ticket worthy. Who knows about Houston Baptist but as long as they are a scholarship program I am fine with it. They are an old but short basketball rival. Hopefully they end up about as good as SE Louisiana was when we had the home and home against them a few years ago. I believe that will Be Austin Simmons' senior year so we can enjoy him carving up the blue and orange Huskies defense.
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Post by fightsd on Apr 27, 2017 6:35:04 GMT -6
I think programs that are affraid to play games because of the fear of losing as far as I am concerned are scared programs. There is nothing wrong with playing Augie or USF. There would be little to gain for USD but what would the Coyotes be affraid of? It would be a fun game that would draw quite a few fans. I imagine more fans than what Drake would bring. If the Coyotes should happened to lose then it would be a well deserved wake up call or reality check or whatever you want to call it. If the Coyotes are going to take a game at a place like Oklahoma which is pretty much an unwinnable game, a check and for program interest I don't see a problem with playing a game like USF or Augie. I would be more likely to want to watch that game and make the drive to the dome then I would if Drake was the opponent. Not just that but maybe an opponent like Minnesota State, Minnesota Duluth (which would have intrigue) or how about NW Missouri State. They are basically a MVFC team stuck in D2. Most people would have a cardiac event if this were to happen but how about a home and home against USF. One year at the dome and the next at Howard Wood Field which would be a neutral field game. People will give every reason in the book and give it the big "No" but I say why not. It would be fun and Coyotes fans could attend both games easily. The Coyotes have nothing to gain by playing USF or Augie. Or anyone in D2 for that matter. The only case I could see for playing a non D1 school would be to have a rest/tune up game before the start of conference play. And a home and home with USF? Gimme a break. Unless your goal is to make casual fans in the state think USF and USD are at the same level of play, that makes zero sense. I get it would be fun having an away game an hour away from campus, but this isn't the old NCC. We don't need to compete with every team in our backyard. And probably the most logical reason for not wanting anything to do with any of the teams you mentioned. Playoff implications. Here we are, a team that's ready to turn the corner and become a playoff contender, and you want to schedule a D2 squad. Does absolutely nothing to boost the strength of schedule. I'd imagine a win against a D2 program looks about like a bye week to the playoff committee. In order to get in, the Coyotes have to build an impressive resume. What your asking for is to take away an opportunity to win a meaningful game within the division in order to play a D2 team that, even if we beat by 60 pts, will do little to help get us into the playoffs.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 27, 2017 6:47:29 GMT -6
I get the sense from this 2019 schedule that Bob & co have no interest in playing anyone lower than FCS. If they were ever going to do it, it would have been in a 12 game season and directly before or after Oklahoma. As it turns out, opening against a traditionally very good Montana team, followed by OU, then back home to a fairly new FCS team in Southern Baptist, who could be a good team in 3 seasons and certainly no guarantee of a W. In summation, it appears 9/2/17 will be the last we see of Drake. Your post seems to imply that Drake is lower than FCS. They are FCS and a win against them counts towards playoff consideration. Won't boost our SOS, but BGSU, UND, and 8 MVFC games are enough to build a top SOS. We should never play anyone lower than FCS unless we have no other option.
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Post by easmus on Apr 27, 2017 7:23:51 GMT -6
I get the sense from this 2019 schedule that Bob & co have no interest in playing anyone lower than FCS. If they were ever going to do it, it would have been in a 12 game season and directly before or after Oklahoma. As it turns out, opening against a traditionally very good Montana team, followed by OU, then back home to a fairly new FCS team in Southern Baptist, who could be a good team in 3 seasons and certainly no guarantee of a W. In summation, it appears 9/2/17 will be the last we see of Drake. Your post seems to imply that Drake is lower than FCS. They are FCS and a win against them counts towards playoff consideration. Won't boost our SOS, but BGSU, UND, and 8 MVFC games are enough to build a top SOS. We should never play anyone lower than FCS unless we have no other option. You are correct that it comes off that way but was not my intent. Yes Drake is FCS, although non-scholarship.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 27, 2017 7:51:41 GMT -6
I get the sense from this 2019 schedule that Bob & co have no interest in playing anyone lower than FCS. If they were ever going to do it, it would have been in a 12 game season and directly before or after Oklahoma. As it turns out, opening against a traditionally very good Montana team, followed by OU, then back home to a fairly new FCS team in Southern Baptist, who could be a good team in 3 seasons and certainly no guarantee of a W. In summation, it appears 9/2/17 will be the last we see of Drake. It's not just Bob, it's the entire administration. We're D1 FCS now, we aren't scheduling down, period. Also, there is nothing wrong with scheduling teams like Drake. They are FCS and a win counts towards the playoffs. That's a nice regional game in a nice location and the Drake Bowl is kind of cool, if you've ever been to the Drake Relays you know what I mean. Would be awesome to turn Des Moines red for the weekend. Even though Drake is "non-scholarship" they still put more resources towards the football program than most D2 schools. D2s and NAIAs do nothing, absolutely nothing, for USD. I would not be intrigued by a game against USF or Augie, frankly, I'd probably boycott the game out of protest. Attendance would be dismal, guaranteed, but there is no point in arguing it because it is not going to happen. A home and home with USF? Are you crazy? We're an FCS school in the top FCS conference in the country, we need to act like it, and rubbing elbows with some weak D2 school is not acting the part. Finally, if I have learned anything through this entire transition it is that the top of D2 is no where near the caliber of the FCS MVFC. As we have all seen during the building progress of this program and the teams that have come through the Dome the level of play and caliber of players is much, much higher. There is no point in even having the discussion anymore.
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Post by thebacksackdad on Apr 27, 2017 17:51:59 GMT -6
...and you have to keep in mind that a lot of the players who came here this year came here to win a national championship that wouldn't be possible playing arguably inferior teams. This is a different era...it's the Neilson era that USD and the players you have here / coming in are here to win it all. The players you have on the team aren't just here for a free ride...they're players that are coming in want to play the best and be the best!
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 27, 2017 20:37:57 GMT -6
Playing at Oklahoma does just as much to damage the playoff hopes then playing a USF or Augie. There is a 99% chance the game ends up a loss so it does absolutely nothing to help the Yotes get to the playoffs. That is actually the reason why I wish USD would play only FCS programs. I just thought since the program sells out to play a FBS every year why not play a local lower division club that would draw interest. If the Coyotes would use their 3 non conference games for a home and home arrangement with FCS clubs the team would alternate having 5 or 6 home games each year. By agreeing to the FBS game the Yotes are volunteering giving up a 6th home game every other year. I like the fact that USD is willing to pay for a FCS program to come in now and then such as Houston Baptist in 2009. I believe E Washington was the same way a few years ago. If it was truly about just the playoff chances the entire schedule would be FCS teams.
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 27, 2017 21:49:48 GMT -6
Losing to Oklahoma does ZERO damage to their playoff chances. Playing below FCS certainly hurts it, and if by chance they would get beat, it's a nail in the coffin.
You schedule the Oklahomas of the world for $$$$$. Good lord knows they can't count solely on donors. If you play Oklahoma respectfully, it raises eyes to the selection committee. Playing any FBS school does but particularly a power 5 school.
Thebacksackdad is correct. This coaching regime is not here solely to field decent teams, they are here to win national titles and MVFC titles. No way in hell would they now get fired up for Augustana or USF. No more than Oklahoma will be fired up for us. I was at Oregon and although the final score was lopsided we played with them and held our own. Same at K State. Beat Minnesota. The fact is those kids on their pads the same way ours do. If you don't think so ask Chris Strevalar.
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Post by easmus on Apr 28, 2017 7:51:46 GMT -6
In the end I think the moral of the story is the program is in a different place for scheduling the 12th game than we were a few years ago, and that is a great thing.
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