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Post by Cousin Eddie on Dec 15, 2014 7:56:25 GMT -6
If I'm honest, I'd expect you to be getting the most out of a player when they're playing 3/4 of the game. You're gong on at me for being negative and unsupporting but what sort of message are you sending out to our players that aren't getting court time? I'd be thrilled to know that I have very little support from the crowd. I'd also like to know how many training sessions you've attended because the ones Ive been to certainly don't reflect the performances on court from our supposedly 'star' players. I don't get this. Smith plays more players than Boots ever did...and it's not ever close. The guys that aren't playing likely are not doing what is asked of them by the coaches.
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 15, 2014 9:49:42 GMT -6
I'm not certain why some players don't play, but usually comes down to two things. Talent and attitude. I have to believe in my heart that if one of the guys riding the bench could offer time to break some other players needing a breather Coach Smith would play them. As I stated before, I just think the cupboard is bare on the frontline. You need to be able to pound the ball inside at times to free up perimeter shooting, and right now we just can't do that.
Casey can shoot the 3 really well at times IF he is uncontested. But because of his size, he is constantly aware of much taller players around him that he is reluctant to pull the trigger at times, and rightfully so. I'll say it again, I think this staff is coaching UP these guys, and certainly getting them to play harder than I've ever seen a Coyote team play in years. If we had one legit big guy, I'd say we could finish in the upper half of the Summit. If we had 2 ( like most teams ) we could contend.
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Post by ctc2010 on Dec 15, 2014 9:53:29 GMT -6
If I'm honest, I'd expect you to be getting the most out of a player when they're playing 3/4 of the game. You're gong on at me for being negative and unsupporting but what sort of message are you sending out to our players that aren't getting court time? I'd be thrilled to know that I have very little support from the crowd. I'd also like to know how many training sessions you've attended because the ones Ive been to certainly don't reflect the performances on court from our supposedly 'star' players. I don't get this. Smith plays more players than Boots ever did...and it's not ever close. The guys that aren't playing likely are not doing what is asked of them by the coaches. Agreed. I'm fairly certain that Jordan Boots holds the record for career games played at USD. Enough said.
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Post by ctc2010 on Dec 15, 2014 9:55:59 GMT -6
I'm not certain why some players don't play, but usually comes down to two things. Talent and attitude. I have to believe in my heart that if one of the guys riding the bench could offer time to break some other players needing a breather Coach Smith would play them. As I stated before, I just think the cupboard is bare on the frontline. You need to be able to pound the ball inside at times to free up perimeter shooting, and right now we just can't do that. Casey can shoot the 3 really well at times IF he is uncontested. But because of his size, he is constantly aware of much taller players around him that he is reluctant to pull the trigger at times, and rightfully so. I'll say it again, I think this staff is coaching UP these guys, and certainly getting them to play harder than I've ever seen a Coyote team play in years. If we had one legit big guy, I'd say we could finish in the upper half of the Summit. If we had 2 ( like most teams ) we could contend. It's really unfortunate that Flack is hurt right now. Perfect opportunity for him to shine.
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Post by yotefan on Dec 15, 2014 9:59:08 GMT -6
I agree with Ed on the increased rotation of players. The dig on Thoseby that I've heard from those who've attended practice is that he plays lights out and does great, but when the lights are on and it's game time he can't replicate what he does in practice. Hopefully Smith and company can help him with that. As was noted earlier, we just need to be bigger and longer. We need Hunter to play better defense and move his feet so he can stay out of foul trouble. Robertson will need to step up his defense as well. Sparks is still young and developing, but we need his size right now. Can't stress enough how much we're missing Flack in the line-up.
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Post by yotemeal on Dec 15, 2014 10:28:38 GMT -6
Attended the game and heard Coach Smith talk before and after the game. He called much of what unfolded. UNLV, as mentioned above, had a top-five recruiting class with NBA talent at multiple positions. Youth is their weakness (and lack of coaching, according to some UNLV fans). As Coach Smith predicted, there were stretches of the game where the talent disparity became painfully apparent. There were also stretches in which UNLV looked very pedestrian. A lack of inside presence hurt us. Flack is missed, but we again out rebounded a much bigger opponent. That's a product of effort. UNLV gave us a chance, but we needed a much stronger start and some flatter stretches from UNLV. They answered when they needed to, and we had some guys that just had rough nights. I thought Tre Burnette had a really bad game, which is unfortunate coming off his breakout Creighton performance. Casey did not look great either. Smith talked about the NBA 3-point line messing with spacing. I watched our guards, and it seemed like they were constantly camped out behind the NBA stripe. Tough to make threes from that range. All in all, it would've taken something close to a Creighton effort to knock these guys off, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect that kind of performance night in and night out. I'm just having fun watching a team the plays with grit and determination. The wins will come as we dive into the league schedule.
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 15, 2014 11:39:29 GMT -6
The problem USD will run into this season is that it is very hard (for any team in any sport) to continue to give max effort game after game and not see results in the W column. The longer the losing goes on the harder it is to keep the effort level up. Hopefully we start to see some results for the effort. Also, once the conference season starts it is like there is new hope, a fresh start and a new beginning.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 15, 2014 17:27:13 GMT -6
If I'm honest, I'd expect you to be getting the most out of a player when they're playing 3/4 of the game. You're gong on at me for being negative and unsupporting but what sort of message are you sending out to our players that aren't getting court time? I'd be thrilled to know that I have very little support from the crowd. I'd also like to know how many training sessions you've attended because the ones Ive been to certainly don't reflect the performances on court from our supposedly 'star' players. You certainly are entitled to your opinion. I am in the minority all too often so understand how you are feeling. Unfortunately right now USD is in a very tough part of their schedule. When they had winnable games it was towards the beginning of the season when things were just beginning and things weren't gelling properly. It's tough to say how much or if the team is improving but from what I have seen and listened to on the radio it does seem like the team is getting better. Defeating Creighton and/or UNLV would be a hard thing to do if Smith had all his players in place with some years under their belt. It would take a great effort whether now or 3 years from now. I really think with a couple more pieces to the puzzle we would have beaten Creighton and maybe taken UNLV down to the wire. Do you think this team would be any better off with Boots or James coaching. I personally don't think so and I don't think there are any other realistic coaches that USD could have hired that would have done much better. Believe me I am the last person that gets into moral victories but the Yotes are honestly doing just about everything possible to win games. They are playing their collective butts off. There are three things that point to that in my opinon. First of all they are rebouding well despite being undersized. That is a product of hustle plain and simple. Secondly they are playing good defense all around which is another product of hustle. Thirdly they are really making it a point to try to drive to the basket instead of settling for outside shots all the time. It was amazing how many times against UNLV I saw an undersized USD player get to the hoop. Sometimes it would result in a block, sometimes a foul and sometimes just kicking it back out but it's effort and basketball IQ that leads to that sort of thing. I think Smith has them thinking about getting to the rim which is a great strategy in my opinion. Driving to the rim resulting in drawing fouls and working for open threes will go along ways towards success. There were absolutely slim chances to shoot threes against UNLV because they were taking them away. I think in the Summit we will see USD have more success in getting more open threes and driving to the rim. Right now from what I have seen this team is the funnest team to watch in years because of what Smith brings to the program. He has them believing eventhough the wins haven't been coming. Miniravos I am not going to give you the lame 3 year wait and see approach to this program. It shouldn't take Smith that long to get things rolling towards wins. Just allow them to have a chance to go against their peers which is the Summit League. That is what you should judge this team on and not with a first year Smith coached team against UNLV and Creighton. I am not going to predict a miracle in the Summit or a conference title but I think we will see a Coyote team that will do well in their league. I think we will see a team that after going through one conference go around that we think will be a contender in the Summit next year. This year could go either way but I could envision a record somewhere between 7-9 to 10-6. Hopefully the Yotes go 12-4 but that might be asking a bit much. I hate the phrase "give it some time" as most of you know but how about we at least allow the Yotes to play 6 games in the league and see where they stand at that time. As long as the progression continues from now until then I think we may be pleasantly surprised. Right now we are getting "the change" many of us wanted when Boot's was in control. The program had become stale. Now despite some losses I still feel like I am breathing the fresh air of change and I like how it feels.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 15, 2014 18:39:21 GMT -6
Even just one season isn't even enough to write Smith off. The one season would be a year in which his only recruits were some slim pickins. Barring catastrophic results, you must wait until his recruits are upper classmen before you can write any coach off.
It's just appalling that any fan of the program would be a critic of a coach before he even hits conference play. It's not like he took over Kentucky, and it's not like we've been embarrassed by anyone yet (look at the schedule at this time last year and see some embarrassing results, that 40 point loss where Morehead State scored 120 points sticks in my mind)
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Post by nccyote on Dec 16, 2014 7:50:47 GMT -6
Just last week some of us were claiming that our basketball program had finally arrived due to our performance against Creighton. Now some of those same people are belly aching about losing to a team that is obviously more talented than us. We need to quit with the fickleness and be supportive of the coaches and players and leave it at that. Like coyotefan said, many of us wanted change from the boots/james system. Now that we have, give the coaches a chance, be supportive, and enjoy the season. We need to stop with this up and down drama as fans, thinking we are the next summit league champs last week and now feeling like the season is over after losing a game that we most likely should have against UNLV.
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Post by kioatee on Dec 16, 2014 9:18:48 GMT -6
The problem USD will run into this season is that it is very hard (for any team in any sport) to continue to give max effort game after game and not see results in the W column. The longer the losing goes on the harder it is to keep the effort level up. Hopefully we start to see some results for the effort. Also, once the conference season starts it is like there is new hope, a fresh start and a new beginning. I disagree with this quote. From knowing some of these seniors very well these are not the type of guys to let something like that happen. They want to win for this University so bad. Larson and Bos will not let any type of cancer start to creep into the team because of L's, they have too much pride and determination
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 16, 2014 17:10:18 GMT -6
The problem USD will run into this season is that it is very hard (for any team in any sport) to continue to give max effort game after game and not see results in the W column. The longer the losing goes on the harder it is to keep the effort level up. Hopefully we start to see some results for the effort. Also, once the conference season starts it is like there is new hope, a fresh start and a new beginning. I disagree with this quote. From knowing some of these seniors very well these are not the type of guys to let something like that happen. They want to win for this University so bad. Larson and Bos will not let any type of cancer start to creep into the team because of L's, they have too much pride and determination I don't know those guys real well, but they always have seemed like "gamers" to me. Thanks for reinforcing what I thought. Now, will someone get Flack ready to go? What is his issue? Any guess as to return date?
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Post by fightsd on Dec 17, 2014 8:07:33 GMT -6
The problem USD will run into this season is that it is very hard (for any team in any sport) to continue to give max effort game after game and not see results in the W column. The longer the losing goes on the harder it is to keep the effort level up. Hopefully we start to see some results for the effort. Also, once the conference season starts it is like there is new hope, a fresh start and a new beginning. I disagree with this quote. From knowing some of these seniors very well these are not the type of guys to let something like that happen. They want to win for this University so bad. Larson and Bos will not let any type of cancer start to creep into the team because of L's, they have too much pride and determination I hope that is the case. But I have been around for plenty of hungry coyote teams that just can't get things going after a rough start. Look at football. We need to have a big man emerge as someone we can count on.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 17, 2014 17:15:30 GMT -6
Starting 1-0 in conference play would go a very long way to eradicating that issue (if it is an issue). Brand new season, everyone is still in first place in the Summit League.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 17, 2014 18:39:11 GMT -6
So far there doesn't appear to be indication whatsoever that the Coyotes are hanging their heads at all. If anything they are just starting to get their game together. I think it would take alot of losing such as starting 1-5 in the conference before we would see any sign of discontent. Right now this feels like a warmup period to bigger and better things such as succeeding in the Summit League and playing their best as they wind towards the Summit Tourney. From what I have seen things couldn't be more opposite as suggested. There is alot of fight in these kids and it's good to see.
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