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Post by canislatrans on Dec 1, 2016 21:45:17 GMT -6
Many SDSU fans have long since written off the South Dakota Seekamp's because without Nicole there is no way that the Coyotes could continue to be good and for sure without the other seniors and Amy Williams as well. Kind of funny how that works because the Yotes are still here. Many other Jacks fans are talking about a 16-0 conference record and a sweet 16 as if it was a right of passage for their team this year. Many don't even view the Coyotes as a threat to them. I just love the continued disrespect from Brookings regarding the Coyotes program. Don't listen to the Jacks fans, the only time you need to hear from them is when they're trying to unload their SLT tickets in March!
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Post by larobe on Dec 2, 2016 2:53:14 GMT -6
It would be foolish to dismiss the Yotes as a team that can't pull off an upset,I agree.But I can assure you, no one is going to take the Yotes lightly,especially a heated rival team like the Jacks.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 4, 2016 9:53:15 GMT -6
RPI update:
24 SDSU 33 USD 82 West Ill 126 IUPUI 193 UNO 225 Oral Rob 246 NDSU 286 Denver 348 IPFW
Summit ranked #15 of 32
big game today at #139 Wyoming...
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 5, 2016 13:41:17 GMT -6
RPI update:
35 USD 66 SDSU 79 West Ill 89 IUPUI 115 Oral Rob 188 UNO 243 NDSU 299 Denver 348 IPFW
Summit moves up two spots to #13! of 32
looks like lots of summit teams playing tougher schedules (and winning some games) is paying off. This will help come tourney selection time. Both S.F. Austin and Arkansas are now in the 20's for RPI. That helps our SOS.
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Post by gorabbits on Dec 6, 2016 12:21:25 GMT -6
There are several versions of the RPI and one is by Jeff Sagarin. The Sagarin computer rankings have The Summit League ranked number 10 among the 32 conferences as of yesterday. www.rpiratings.com/womrate.php
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 6, 2016 16:20:04 GMT -6
There are several versions of the RPI and one is by Jeff Sagarin. The Sagarin computer rankings have The Summit League ranked number 10 among the 32 conferences as of yesterday. www.rpiratings.com/womrate.phpYeah, Sagarin is a good metric, but technically it isn't an "RPI". The RPI is a very specific calculation created by the NCAA. Even though there are far better ways to rank teams out there, (Sagarin, KenPom, LRMC, BPI, KPI, etc.) the NCAA seems to stubbornly hold onto the RPI. That's why I am using it - because it is the most likely to predict what the selection committee will do. Its probably not the best for predicting a team's actual strength, though. I'm not a huge fan of RealtimeRPI.com, because of the ads there, but not every site that gives the RPI has women's basketball too, or is updated daily.
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Post by gorabbits on Dec 6, 2016 17:30:01 GMT -6
There are several versions of the RPI and one is by Jeff Sagarin. The Sagarin computer rankings have The Summit League ranked number 10 among the 32 conferences as of yesterday. www.rpiratings.com/womrate.phpYeah, Sagarin is a good metric, but technically it isn't an "RPI". The RPI is a very specific calculation created by the NCAA. Even though there are far better ways to rank teams out there, (Sagarin, KenPom, LRMC, BPI, KPI, etc.) the NCAA seems to stubbornly hold onto the RPI. That's why I am using it - because it is the most likely to predict what the selection committee will do. Its probably not the best for predicting a team's actual strength, though. I'm not a huge fan of RealtimeRPI.com, because of the ads there, but not every site that gives the RPI has women's basketball too, or is updated daily. I basically agree with you. But on the women's side, Sagarin calls theirs and RPI. What is your link to the NCAA RPI which is the official one. I thought that they only released theirs 2 or 3 times a year. On the NCAA site, under RPI they still have last year's rankings. My understanding is that Realtime.rpi is just an attempt to simulate the official NCAA RPI much like Sagarin.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 6, 2016 21:19:14 GMT -6
Yeah, Sagarin is a good metric, but technically it isn't an "RPI". The RPI is a very specific calculation created by the NCAA. Even though there are far better ways to rank teams out there, (Sagarin, KenPom, LRMC, BPI, KPI, etc.) the NCAA seems to stubbornly hold onto the RPI. That's why I am using it - because it is the most likely to predict what the selection committee will do. Its probably not the best for predicting a team's actual strength, though. I'm not a huge fan of RealtimeRPI.com, because of the ads there, but not every site that gives the RPI has women's basketball too, or is updated daily. I basically agree with you. But on the women's side, Sagarin calls theirs and RPI. What is your link to the NCAA RPI which is the official one. I thought that they only released theirs 2 or 3 times a year. On the NCAA site, under RPI they still have last year's rankings. My understanding is that Realtime.rpi is just an attempt to simulate the official NCAA RPI much like Sagarin. Probably true, and there are other sites that do this as well, but the RPI is a pretty simple formula. Easy to "simulate". It just measures wins and losses and strength of schedule. The other ranking systems are a little more complex, and I believe most of them like to use the term "advanced statistics" or "advanced metrics". The biggest difference IIRC is that they are somewhat "predictive" vs just calculating what has already happened. I'm not sure where you are seeing Sagarin combined with RPI. I'll look at your link again.
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Post by kiyoat on Dec 6, 2016 21:28:43 GMT -6
The website you linked to is called RPIratings.com, but Sagarin's rankings are listed there as well as their own version of the RPI. www.rpiratings.com/womensrpi.phpI guess I just like the way I can link to the Summit League at RealtimeRPI. The ads suck, though.
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 7, 2016 7:03:01 GMT -6
I'm not a fan of RPI in general, and I think the rabbit's current spot shows why - they tried to schedule 'up', but it turns out a lot of the teams that looked good on paper turned out to be terrible, and so they have the 194th ranked SOS. So, their RPI is well below the Yotes with an SOS of 85.
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Post by gorabbits on Dec 7, 2016 9:57:08 GMT -6
You are certainly correct that there are flaws in all of the ratings systems. On the men's basketball side and for football, I like the Massey Composite best. It averages a large number of rankings to come up with a composite, but they don't do, or at least I haven't found a composite for women's basketball. In case you are interested, here is the link to the Men's composite which has The Summit League in 17th place. www.mratings.com/cb/compare.htmAnd here is their index for all the composites they do. The composites are on the upper right. For FCS football you have to click football and then when that comes up, at the top there is a list of links including one for the fcs composite. masseyratings.com
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Post by gopheryote on Dec 9, 2016 20:45:16 GMT -6
Bad news out of Brookings - Macy Miller got hurt on the final play of the first half. Don't know the extent of how bad - but I hate hearing things like that happen.
On a much lighter note, that game (vs. Green Bay) led to a very rare feat: Half Time Score GB 27 Rabbits 16; End of 3rd Score GB 54 Rabbits 32. What are the chances of both team exactly doubling their first half score in the 3rd quarter? (And geesh - 16 points at half?)
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Post by yoteforever on Dec 9, 2016 22:13:57 GMT -6
Much speculation she tore her ACL. I really hope that isn't true and she gets back on the court ASAP. I want to beat the Jacks when they are at full strength.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 9, 2016 22:26:21 GMT -6
Never wish injury on anyone, especially not one that has such a long road to recovery.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 10, 2016 0:39:38 GMT -6
Not a good night at all in Brookings. First of all to get hammered by a team at home that is supposed to be even with them hurts quite a bit. Green Bay is #1 in the mid major poll but the Jacks are right there with them.
For a Friday Night for SDSU's standards I would expect more than under 2,000 fans for that one. I realize that some of their fans are up in Fargo but for a big game like that I am surprised they didn't exceed 3,000.
And of course losing Miller hurts if she is indeed out for the year. I feel bad for Miller and don't wish ill will on any of their players but I also don't hear or see many Jacks fans feeling sorry for the Coyotes for being without Trimboli or Duffy. The season goes on regardless and the gap in the Summit between SDSU and the rest just appeared to get closer tonight. Their league status may have just gone from significant favorite to slight favorite. They can go from here to eternity on their bench if it is deep but either way that kind of loss is going to hurt.
The game coming up soon in Vermillion between State and Thee U may have just become pretty close to a pick em game. If their football team falls to NDSU this would have to go down as just mildly, oops I mean extremely disappointing weekend for SDSU.
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