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Post by coyoteglory on Feb 21, 2018 9:35:37 GMT -6
When youre a mid major, does it really matter if we've won 3 conference titles in 4 years. If we cant win the Summit Tourney, it doesnt matter. YES. In fact I would say it matters even more at the mid-major level as its the only championship you are going to be playing for each year.
If the team went 0-27 but won 3 straight games in the conference tourney and then was blown out by 65 in a 16vs1 game would that be a successful season?
If you asked the girls on the team, I bet they would rather make it to the tourney above all else. So I guess it depends on what vantage point you are defining success from.
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Post by larobe on Feb 21, 2018 10:12:13 GMT -6
I think this years Fort Wayne team would be ecstatic if they won the SLT and went dancing, it would be a memory cherished for a lifetime. The mere fact that it would just about be impossible to do makes it even more so. Schools like USD, SDSU have much higher expectations because they have already achieved this goal and up the bar to go after higher goals. So, it's yes or no depending on the achievment level of the program and the higher goals they set due to that achievement success playing a factor in how much or little it would mean to players, fans, media, etc. That's the reason players from any Summit school have the same dream of winning the SLT as a USD or SDSU does.That's why a successful Cinderella team in the NCAA Tournament is such an intriguing fascination to the fans who love to see the little guy have some success once in awhile,not to mention how rare such an occurrence is. Besides, you can do both, if you are fortunate enough.It doesn't have to be a "this or this" type scenario ,if you are good enough, do both,win the season title and the SLT.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 21, 2018 10:24:10 GMT -6
Zimmer had some things to say about this game in his recent interview with KWSN Radio: (starting at 12:06) kwsn.com/podcasts/sports-talk-with-kwsn/5093/matt-zimmer-previews-both-jacks-vs-yotes-games/On USD's win in Frost Arena:"That one was more surprising (than the men's game). A lot of us felt like USD wasn't maybe as good as their record at that time. We've since realized that wasn't the case. They are every bit as good as their record was. I think that was the game where they made believers out of many of us who thought they weren't that good. They've just continued doing it so far. The big thing that sticks out for me, what I remember in that game, was just the poise that USD showed. Everyone thought SDSU was the better team. Everyone thought SDSU would win, because they were at home. Even when USD had a lead, when it looked like they were in control, You just kinda thought: Well, when's Macy Miller gonna take over? When's Madison Guebert gonna hit a bunch of 3's and turn this thing around? It just never happened, more so because of USD being GOOD than because of whatever SDSU did NOT do." On the upcoming game:"It's tempting to say 'well, SDSU's too good to get swept by anybody in this league.' And that might well be true. But USD's undefeated. And they just continue to answer every question, or every challenge, every obstacle that's been put in front of them.And I think, also, that they are just a balanced team. They are so non-reliant on one specific player. Not just one specific player, but one specific thing, even. They're just kind-of a team that doesn't do anything spectacularly, but does everything really well. I think with them being at home, despite the fact that they've already won (share of title), I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt. I would pick USD to win this game."On two of the best defenses matching up:"It could be a low-scoring game. I think USD in particular has really hung their hat on their defense. I think maybe Dawn Plitzuweit recognized that was going to be the ticket for them. Going into the year everyone kind-of looked at them as the third-best team in this league. Maybe even a distant third [...] I think Dawn just recognized that: 'hey, if we're going to be able to play with those guys, what are things we can do to neutralize those teams' advantages?'. And I think that clearly it was: 'be a good defensive team'. SDSU has talked a lot about that, too. Aaron Johnston, every game, all he wants to talk about is defense. And I think that is because he is trying hard to get that through to his players. To make them as good a defensive team as they are an offensive team. And they've made some strides. And I think this could be a low-scoring game. But I still think that USD is the superior defensive team between the two of them."
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Feb 21, 2018 11:14:14 GMT -6
"They're just kind-of a team that doesn't do anything spectacularly, but does everything really well."
You've got a team that holds opponents under 60 points per night (best in the conference) and shoots 47/37/80 as a team (all basically conference leading numbers, NDSU is a tick higher on 3's but doesn't shoot or make as many).
That's pretty spectacular.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 21, 2018 12:10:56 GMT -6
"They're just kind-of a team that doesn't do anything spectacularly, but does everything really well." You've got a team that holds opponents under 60 points per night (best in the conference) and shoots 47/37/80 as a team (all basically conference leading numbers, NDSU is a tick higher on 3's but doesn't shoot or make as many). That's pretty spectacular. I'd say that Zimmer makes a pretty fair statement there. For how USD has dominated the league, you wouldn't know it by looking at team stats in general. And especially not at individual stats. That is more his point. There are some things that the Summit League just does way better than other leagues, so it's hard to be "spectacular" in comparison. The SL has: 5 teams in top-100 Assist-to-Turnover Ratio, Assists, and Assists/Game 5 teams in top-100 Fewest Fouls 5 teams in top-100 Field Goal % (and 3 in top-50) 4 teams in top-100 FT % (and 2 in top-10) 4 teams in top-100 scoring margin (and 3 in top-20) 4 teams in top-100 scoring offense 3-pointers5 in top-100 attempts (4 in top-30) 5 in top-100 made (4 in top-30) 5 in top-100 #/game (3 in top-25) 6 in top-100 % (5 in top-50) So in a conference like that, shooting and scoring well just helps you "keep up with the Jones's". Defense is what sets you apart. WUI and USD have done it with ball pressure and turnovers. SDSU has done it with size, and dominating the boards. JMO
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Feb 21, 2018 12:25:17 GMT -6
Fair enough. All I'm saying is that any team, at any level, anywhere in the country that is leading its league in points allowed, all shooting categories and is undefeated in that league, isn't just playing "really well," but is in fact spectacular.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Feb 21, 2018 12:54:27 GMT -6
And I would add that doing it in a league that does some things "way better than other leagues" only bolsters that argument.
Being an absolute lockdown defensive team yet skilled enough to shoot 80 percent as a team from the stripe is almost the very definition of spectacular basketball.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Feb 21, 2018 13:22:41 GMT -6
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 21, 2018 14:06:19 GMT -6
....notice the rings.....
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 21, 2018 17:28:47 GMT -6
The video says that the SDSU Women host the Coyotes on February 21st.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 21, 2018 17:28:53 GMT -6
I was just looking at the sold tickets map for tonight's game, and WOW! All 6 of the center sections are sold out, the corners are 3/4 sold out, the west end is half sold out, and who knows with the students, but I would assume they show up.
I would estimate that the (sold) attendance is somewhere in the 4k to 5k range. That would be a women's record for the SCSC, and likely a regular-season women's record for the Division I era!
There will be a viper's nest waiting for the Bunnies, tonight.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Feb 21, 2018 18:29:59 GMT -6
I was just looking at the sold tickets map for tonight's game, and WOW! All 6 of the center sections are sold out, the corners are 3/4 sold out, the west end is half sold out, and who knows with the students, but I would assume they show up. I would estimate that the (sold) attendance is somewhere in the 4k to 5k range. That would be a women's record for the SCSC, and likely a regular-season women's record for the Division I era! There will be a viper's nest waiting for the Bunnies, tonight. People under estimate the importance of home court advantage in this game whether it is in Vermillion or in Brookings. The Coyote men have had inferior teams to the Jacks in the D1 era and still managed to win at home but when it shifts to Brookings they are lucky to be competitive at least until last year. The Coyote Women are much better now then they were at the beginning of the Summit schedule last year and they still defeated the Jacks. Look at the Jack Men. They have basically rolled in almost every Summit game before and after they played the Coyotes and they were handily beaten in the SCSC. I look at the Women much the same way. The Rabbit Women have been very good but they also haven't played in front of a rabid enemy crowd with 4+ plus cheering against them and on top of that they play a team with suffocating defense that will even have more energy than they usually do, and that is quite a bit the way it is. Mick and Matt both picked the home teams in this weeks rivalry games and I could not agree more. Both mentioned home court advantage as an important factor.
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Feb 21, 2018 18:49:30 GMT -6
I can't lie. The fact that Mick and Matt are both on the "USD wins" train this time around doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 21, 2018 21:08:10 GMT -6
80-75 Your Women's Coyote team are Summit League Champions!!!!
Wow! What a game!
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 21, 2018 21:10:47 GMT -6
Such a back-and-forth game. Just a straight up gritty fourth quarter on defense! They wanted it more, and it was obvious. Coach P has had a steely demeanor the last couple of weeks, and you just knew she wasn't giving up the title without a fight. The team was a reflection of that.
Go Yotes!
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