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Post by easmus on Apr 9, 2018 8:28:44 GMT -6
They saw him in person this year, and Dixon had good things to say about Craig Smith when he left for USU. I’m guessing Matt is gonna get lots of offers.
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Post by olifer on Apr 9, 2018 9:39:07 GMT -6
I would really be interested in knowing what's going on in Matt's mind right now. There is no doubt that he can play P5 basketball at a number of well respected schools. That said, other than Craig Smith leaving, is there something else going on that we don't know about? If he had two years of eligibility left, I could understand it a bit more but with one season left to play, why leave the teammates and league that you're familiar with and understand? He's a star in the Summit League and as others have posted, if we were to make the NCAA tournament next season, he will likely be remembered as one of the very best to every play basketball for USD.
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Post by stevenyote on Apr 9, 2018 9:55:52 GMT -6
I would really be interested in knowing what's going on in Matt's mind right now. There is no doubt that he can play P5 basketball at a number of well respected schools. That said, other than Craig Smith leaving, is there something else going on that we don't know about? If he had two years of eligibility left, I could understand it a bit more but with one season left to play, why leave the teammates and league that you're familiar with and understand? He's a star in the Summit League and as others have posted, if we were to make the NCAA tournament next season, he will likely be remembered as one of the very best to every play basketball for USD. On the flip side say he goes to Texas tech who may be the early leader. He would start, be a very good scoring option, and they just came off of an elite 8 appearance. I just think it’s bogus how we have so many restrictions on players but coaches have all the freedom in the world.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 9, 2018 11:03:37 GMT -6
I just think it’s bogus how we have so many restrictions on players but coaches have all the freedom in the world. Sorry, I disagree. I think the NCAA transfer rules are fine. First, student-athletes should be choosing a school they are comfortable with and where they can earn a degree, not a decision based 100% on sports. Second, it's a good rule to have in place to protect student-athletes from themselves as they are there to get an education first, because third, most of these players will not be going pro and would be best served by getting an education. Now, if you want to debate how the NCAA should become more focused on academics, I will agree with you 100%. In the case of Matt Mooney, he has earned a degree, graduates with eligibility should be allowed to transfer if they wish.
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Post by flagshipU on Apr 9, 2018 11:07:42 GMT -6
I would really be interested in knowing what's going on in Matt's mind right now. There is no doubt that he can play P5 basketball at a number of well respected schools. That said, other than Craig Smith leaving, is there something else going on that we don't know about? If he had two years of eligibility left, I could understand it a bit more but with one season left to play, why leave the teammates and league that you're familiar with and understand? He's a star in the Summit League and as others have posted, if we were to make the NCAA tournament next season, he will likely be remembered as one of the very best to every play basketball for USD. On the flip side say he goes to Texas tech who may be the early leader. He would start, be a very good scoring option, and they just came off of an elite 8 appearance. I just think it’s bogus how we have so many restrictions on players but coaches have all the freedom in the world. I certainly get it if his goal is to play "big time" basketball in front of 10k plus fans every game. What kid does not dream of that? There have been plenty of players at USD, even back in the D2 days that could have made that choice to be a graduate transfer. I can't think of any that actually did in the past other than Trey Dickerson last year. I think that part of the issue is that Matt was a transfer to USD and may not feel the loyalty of someone that came to USD out of high school. Also, it sounds like his parents are encouraging him to explore his options as well. I doubt that there are any family ties to USD, which is one of the problems with bringing in kids from further away. I'm sure that Matt is feeling the love from all these programs that are recruiting him and it will be tough for him not to go this route. I just hope that he has one last sit down with Coach Lee prior to making his decision as believe that Coach Lee will be able get Matt to a level of success that he would otherwise not experience. On a side note, I do recall two former football teammates leaving prior to their final season, which was unfortunate as they would have been starters. However, both did so for academic reason as one went to medical school and the other to obtain a masters degree.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 9, 2018 11:18:19 GMT -6
I would really be interested in knowing what's going on in Matt's mind right now. There is no doubt that he can play P5 basketball at a number of well respected schools. That said, other than Craig Smith leaving, is there something else going on that we don't know about? If he had two years of eligibility left, I could understand it a bit more but with one season left to play, why leave the teammates and league that you're familiar with and understand? He's a star in the Summit League and as others have posted, if we were to make the NCAA tournament next season, he will likely be remembered as one of the very best to every play basketball for USD. On the flip side say he goes to Texas tech who may be the early leader. He would start, be a very good scoring option, and they just came off of an elite 8 appearance. I just think it’s bogus how we have so many restrictions on players but coaches have all the freedom in the world. I agree that it is bogus how players are tied to a program but coaches aren't. Decidedly not in the student athlete's best interest.
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Post by usdtator on Apr 9, 2018 11:31:10 GMT -6
On the flip side say he goes to Texas tech who may be the early leader. He would start, be a very good scoring option, and they just came off of an elite 8 appearance. I just think it’s bogus how we have so many restrictions on players but coaches have all the freedom in the world. I agree that it is bogus how players are tied to a program but coaches aren't. Decidedly not in the student athlete's best interest. The NCAA votes this summer to allow immediate eligibility after a transfer... all sports... no more ties to a program. You want to talk about roster upheaval, there you go... Basketball and football rosters will be in constant flux.
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Post by elcoyote on Apr 9, 2018 11:58:28 GMT -6
I agree that it is bogus how players are tied to a program but coaches aren't. Decidedly not in the student athlete's best interest. The NCAA votes this summer to allow immediate eligibility after a transfer... all sports... no more ties to a program. You want to talk about roster upheaval, there you go... Basketball and football rosters will be in constant flux. That will turn conferences like the Summit and the MVFC into training stops for the P5s. Have success and off you go somewhat akin to AAA professional baseball. I could see where the freshman All-American football team would become a target list for the majors to try and plunder. Scott Frost referenced this himself when he stated in a Lincoln Journal Star article that he'd definitely go after players from the Dakota schools if that was an option.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 9, 2018 16:45:19 GMT -6
The NCAA votes this summer to allow immediate eligibility after a transfer... all sports... no more ties to a program. You want to talk about roster upheaval, there you go... Basketball and football rosters will be in constant flux. That will turn conferences like the Summit and the MVFC into training stops for the P5s. Have success and off you go somewhat akin to AAA professional baseball. I could see where the freshman All-American football team would become a target list for the majors to try and plunder. Scott Frost referenced this himself when he stated in a Lincoln Journal Star article that he'd definitely go after players from the Dakota schools if that was an option. Stinks for the fans of affected programs, but this option would be in the best interest of the student athletes. Coaching changes, broken promises, and misguided decisions currently have no good remedy for the student athletes. Unfortunately it opens the door to all mid-majors becoming farm teams. I don't want to see it passed because I have a conflicting interest, and I'm guessing it would only be passed to benefit the Power 5, but student athletes stand to benefit.
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Post by elcoyote on Apr 9, 2018 17:37:24 GMT -6
That will turn conferences like the Summit and the MVFC into training stops for the P5s. Have success and off you go somewhat akin to AAA professional baseball. I could see where the freshman All-American football team would become a target list for the majors to try and plunder. Scott Frost referenced this himself when he stated in a Lincoln Journal Star article that he'd definitely go after players from the Dakota schools if that was an option. Stinks for the fans of affected programs, but this option would be in the best interest of the student athletes. Coaching changes, broken promises, and misguided decisions currently have no good remedy for the student athletes. Unfortunately it opens the door to all mid-majors becoming farm teams. I don't want to see it passed because I have a conflicting interest, and I'm guessing it would only be passed to benefit the Power 5, but student athletes stand to benefit. A coaching change, broken promise or a misguided decision could just as easily happen with transfers. Sitting a year makes an athlete think about it a bit more and hopefully results in fewer rash decisions. The only ones I could see benefitting are the elite few. FWIW I totally support grad transfers being immediately eligible. They've earned their degree which should be the main reason for being in school in the first place so they've earned the right to choose.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 9, 2018 18:06:37 GMT -6
It cuts both ways. Sign with a P5 school and end up getting cut for non-performance and end up transferring down to G5 or FCS.
I'm not sure I am ready to turn college sports into semi-pro. If we're going down that road we might as well blow it all up and go with a Junior Hockey/Minor League Baseball system complete with drafts. Get rid of college sports or turn them into D3 and just create minor leagues.
These are still schools and this is supposed to be about education.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 9, 2018 19:52:54 GMT -6
Stinks for the fans of affected programs, but this option would be in the best interest of the student athletes. Coaching changes, broken promises, and misguided decisions currently have no good remedy for the student athletes. Unfortunately it opens the door to all mid-majors becoming farm teams. I don't want to see it passed because I have a conflicting interest, and I'm guessing it would only be passed to benefit the Power 5, but student athletes stand to benefit. A coaching change, broken promise or a misguided decision could just as easily happen with transfers. Sitting a year makes an athlete think about it a bit more and hopefully results in fewer rash decisions. The only ones I could see benefitting are the elite few. FWIW I totally support grad transfers being immediately eligible. They've earned their degree which should be the main reason for being in school in the first place so they've earned the right to choose. The grad transfer rule doesn't exist to reward those who have graduated, it is to serve student athletes wishing to pursue a graduate degree not offered at their current institution www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/get-facts-about-transfers:This means students at fully fledged institutions wishing to grad transfer just pick whatever major they have to in order to meet this criteria. I'm sure Nick Fuller, a business undergrad at UNL, would have been interested in earning his MBA. Both UNL and USD offer the program though. This leads to students picking Interdisciplinary Studies so that they can play for another year and then leave school once the season is over (the withdrawal rates for grad transfers are sky high: www.ncaa.org/about/resources/research/tracking-division-i-graduate-transfers). It's a rule with the student's best interest in mind but is exploited in nearly all cases of its use. I see the potentially impending rule as being exactly the same: Great idea for students who can take advantage, but bound to be exploited on a large scale.
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Post by elcoyote on Apr 9, 2018 20:01:56 GMT -6
I knew about the grad school exemption and realize that it's too often taken advantage of, but I kind of look at it as once the degree is obtained a player has earned the right to be a free agent. I'd be curious to know what the % is of grad transfers that actually obtain an advanced degree. All this is my thoughts and opinions only. I guarantee you'll out research me all day and all night.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 9, 2018 20:15:25 GMT -6
I've done enough research for the day. The graduation rates don't look good. I think the grad rule is fair for the students, just as I think the impending rule is too. I'm against both of them though because I'd rather protect USD's best interests.
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Post by elcoyote on Apr 9, 2018 20:24:23 GMT -6
I've done enough research for the day. The graduation rates don't look good. I think the grad rule is fair for the students, just as I think the impending rule is too. I'm against both of them though because I'd rather protect USD's best interests. I am for undergrads sitting a year and I was affected by it back in the day. I cite Scott Frost too much probably, but he was against it as well saying it would be open season on everybody's players, especially the lower divisions.
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