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Post by jacksfan29 on Apr 10, 2018 8:52:56 GMT -6
I've done enough research for the day. The graduation rates don't look good. I think the grad rule is fair for the students, just as I think the impending rule is too. I'm against both of them though because I'd rather protect USD's best interests. I am for undergrads sitting a year and I was affected by it back in the day. I cite Scott Frost too much probably, but he was against it as well saying it would be open season on everybody's players, especially the lower divisions. www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/grad%20xfer%20EP_final2_0.pdfFor Men's BB and Football the percent who actually graduate is terrible. For Women's BB and other Men's olympic sports the rate is pretty good. Other Women's sports it is being used at it should be and works. The Grad transfer rule, in theory is a good idea. It is supposed to allow an athlete to transfer to a school, after earning their undergrad degree, to a school which has a masters program that their current school does not offer. In the two revenue sports, it has turned into what you are seeing with Mooney. Free agency.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 10, 2018 9:45:17 GMT -6
The same thing would happen if you opened it up to every student-athlete at every grade level. You know, sometimes we have to have rules in place to protect student-athletes from themselves. In an annual open transfer system, a player (I won't even use the word student here) could transfer every single year and end up at 4-5 schools in 4-5 years. How is that going to effect their graduation, you know, the reason they are actually supposed to BE in college.
Personally, I think if you commit to a school that school should be required to commit to you and provide a 4 year scholarship. The only way that scholarship could be withdrawn is for failure to make a minimum grade standard or for a violation of team rules, which would have to be reviewed by a board and ruled upon, that way a coach can't jettison a guy for being 10 minutes late to a meeting. Basically, the board would ensure that team rules are being applied equally, towards the star player and the 4th stringer.
I don't like the thought that players should be allowed to transfer if there is a coaching change, bit will concede that it should probably be allowed. Student-athletes should choose a school for the school, not for the coach. I understand, however, that a new coach coming in may have different ideas about how a player will "fit in" to their system. Just stands to reason it is probably best to allow both player and coach to get a fresh start if needed. Yeah, it could gut a team, but maybe that would also stop schools from turning over coaches so rapidly when they "don't perform" as they would have to consider the fact their program could be gutted due to transfers.
Remember, 99% of these kids are not going pro. The focus should be that they walk out of school with a degree, and I don't even care if it is the easiest degree the school offers, at least it is something. The rules should be made for the 99%, not the 1%. Frankly, we're not even talking about all the sports here, we're talking about football and basketball. These issues aren't rampant in other sports.
If the NCAA isn't going to be about these kids getting an education than they should just blow up the entire thing and put in a semi-pro system with an NCAA option. Let the NBA and NFL come up with their own feeders.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 10, 2018 11:59:26 GMT -6
When laws or rules are passed I always try to take my own personal bias out of it and side with the correct rule or law that I think is best for all. If I were in the position of a student athlete I would want my freedom to choose what I wanted to do. If I studied at a school for a couple of years and that work made me be able to get accepted into Yale I would want the opportunity to transfer to Yale. I don't think it should be any different for a student athlete.
If the recruiting process works as it should an athlete should want to come to that school and stay at that school the entire time they are there. If students are constantly wanting to transfer away than maybe it is a culture issue for a particular school. If the SCSC had the kind of atmosphere for men's games that it did for the WNIT run than maybe Mooney would be more apt to stay. I think that would have been very important to him. The bottom line is why should a rule be implemented for a majority and take away the liberties of the individual player that is effected the most by it. I am all for competition and to give free will to the student athlete puts the onus on the college to be as desirable as possible for that person to want to stay.
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Post by dave on Apr 10, 2018 12:44:16 GMT -6
When you consider the amount of time, money, and energy that goes into recruiting and developing a student athlete there has to be a certain level of punishment to deter the SA from transferring at will, otherwise the mid majors and FCS schools will become nothing more than a farm system for the big boys. Even the professional leagues have restrictions on free agency the early part of an athletes career. Also, if you allow a SA to transfer at will I think you could expect to see super stars joining up to form super teams, similar to what you see in the NBA. It would be pretty tough for the smaller schools to build and sustain a successful program with constant roster turnover.
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Post by yote14 on Apr 10, 2018 13:51:26 GMT -6
When laws or rules are passed I always try to take my own personal bias out of it and side with the correct rule or law that I think is best for all. If I were in the position of a student athlete I would want my freedom to choose what I wanted to do. If I studied at a school for a couple of years and that work made me be able to get accepted into Yale I would want the opportunity to transfer to Yale. I don't think it should be any different for a student athlete. If the recruiting process works as it should an athlete should want to come to that school and stay at that school the entire time they are there. If students are constantly wanting to transfer away than maybe it is a culture issue for a particular school. If the SCSC had the kind of atmosphere for men's games that it did for the WNIT run than maybe Mooney would be more apt to stay. I think that would have been very important to him. The bottom line is why should a rule be implemented for a majority and take away the liberties of the individual player that is effected the most by it. I am all for competition and to give free will to the student athlete puts the onus on the college to be as desirable as possible for that person to want to stay. They still can transfer to Yale. Just cant play basketball for a year. If their "education" and "going to Yale" because of the hard work they put in is that important than not playing basketball for a year, or at all, should not matter. I agree with Yote53, if this transfer rule goes in it ruins the college game. The shady recruiting between schools will get even worse.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 10, 2018 13:59:52 GMT -6
Yote 14
you may be right. I still believe in student athlete freedom.
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Post by yodayote on Apr 10, 2018 14:00:13 GMT -6
When laws or rules are passed I always try to take my own personal bias out of it and side with the correct rule or law that I think is best for all. If I were in the position of a student athlete I would want my freedom to choose what I wanted to do. If I studied at a school for a couple of years and that work made me be able to get accepted into Yale I would want the opportunity to transfer to Yale. I don't think it should be any different for a student athlete. If the recruiting process works as it should an athlete should want to come to that school and stay at that school the entire time they are there. If students are constantly wanting to transfer away than maybe it is a culture issue for a particular school. If the SCSC had the kind of atmosphere for men's games that it did for the WNIT run than maybe Mooney would be more apt to stay. I think that would have been very important to him. The bottom line is why should a rule be implemented for a majority and take away the liberties of the individual player that is effected the most by it. I am all for competition and to give free will to the student athlete puts the onus on the college to be as desirable as possible for that person to want to stay. The colleges with more money, already have an advantage. Now you in favor of letting them purge everyone else for players? Why would they recruit players anymore, just go steal them.
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Post by wrj on Apr 10, 2018 20:44:07 GMT -6
I think if a school takes a transfer from another, that the school taking the player should have to play an uncompensated game at the home of the school they took the player from. Well, maybe I think that.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 10, 2018 20:58:42 GMT -6
I think if a school takes a transfer from another, that the school taking the player should have to play an uncompensated game at the home of the school they took the player from. Well, maybe I think that. Fair is fair. I look forward to Georgetown and wherever Mooney transfers to visiting Vermillion.
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Post by yodayote on Apr 15, 2018 13:43:56 GMT -6
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Post by yotebewithyou on Apr 15, 2018 14:07:49 GMT -6
Cool, but why not wait until he makes his choice to do this? Seems to me that he is really loving the spotlight
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Post by easmus on Apr 15, 2018 14:27:50 GMT -6
Cool, but why not wait until he makes his choice to do this? Seems to me that he is really loving the spotlight Maybe wanted to make sure his thank you didn’t get lost in the news of new school he will attend? My sense is he announces intentions fairly soon now.
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Post by lynn on Apr 15, 2018 17:59:34 GMT -6
Maybe he is trying to be fair to the new coaching staff who will have to replace him. Personally I don't want to see him go but feel he handled it the best way he can. He gave a lot in his time here and wish him nothing but the best in chasing his dreams. Now coach Lee can go about his business of building this team to the next level. Go Yotes!!!!
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Post by The Jungle on Apr 16, 2018 7:03:12 GMT -6
Maybe he is trying to be fair to the new coaching staff who will have to replace him. Personally I don't want to see him go but feel he handled it the best way he can. He gave a lot in his time here and wish him nothing but the best in chasing his dreams. Now coach Lee can go about his business of building this team to the next level. Go Yotes!!!! At this point don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. It's really hard to root for this guy anymore. Time to move on. Buh bye Mooney. Adios.
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Post by Yotes on Apr 16, 2018 7:06:14 GMT -6
Don't blame him one bit, wish him the best.
Next man up.
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