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Post by yoteforever on Apr 16, 2018 7:13:56 GMT -6
Here’s the thing for me. Actually two things. First, before Craig even left I believe there were rumblings of Matt transferring then, so if that’s true, then the part about a staff you love leaving loses some of its impact.
The second thing for me, and the strongest, is how over time it’s changed on how you feel loyalty to both your school, but more importantly your teammates. Even if he had issues with Craig and staff leaving, bailing out on your buddies, the guys you have worked your butts off with the past 2 years, likely wouldn’t have happened in years past. You just don’t do that, especially if you have as much love for them as he professes in his tweet. In addition, I’m reminded of the line in the movie MIRACLE ON ICE where the coach tells his team the name on the front of the jersey is a has a hell of a lot more importance than the one on the back of it. In my mind, without just cause, you just don’t do that.
I know in this day and age it’s the thing to do, take care of yourself first, but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with it. Deep down there’s a cynical part of me that says Matt likes all the line light and attention. Also a part of me thinks he backed down from Daum and The Jacks because Daum is perceived as being the main man and they e beaten us twice now in SL tournament for place in the dance. By transferring to a team that’s likely to go regardless whether they win the league title or not, he took the easy way out.
There’s a very large part of me that hates making this post because personally I like Matt. A lot. I think he’s a pretty darned good kid. But I truly believe he’s making a big mistake that he’ll regret a great deal later in life. Will I cheer for Matt at his new school? I sure will. But I have to tell you there’s a large part of me that hopes wherever he goes gets an NIT bid and Coach Lee takes the Coyotes to the dance for the first time.
I’ll say I’m sorry right now to any I’ve offended with this post, but I’m having a difficult time publically cheering for someone I perceive as being totally selfish.
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Post by elcoyote on Apr 16, 2018 8:03:40 GMT -6
Here’s the thing for me. Actually two things. First, before Craig even left I believe there were rumblings of Matt transferring then, so if that’s true, then the part about a staff you love leaving loses some of its impact. The second thing for me, and the strongest, is how over time it’s changed on how you feel loyalty to both your school, but more importantly your teammates. Even if he had issues with Craig and staff leaving, bailing out on your buddies, the guys you have worked your butts off with the past 2 years, likely wouldn’t have happened in years past. You just don’t do that, especially if you have as much love for them as he professes in his tweet. In addition, I’m reminded of the line in the movie MIRACLE ON ICE where the coach tells his team the name on the front of the jersey is a has a hell of a lot more importance than the one on the back of it. In my mind, without just cause, you just don’t do that. I know in this day and age it’s the thing to do, take care of yourself first, but that doesn’t mean I have to agree with it. Deep down there’s a cynical part of me that says Matt likes all the line light and attention. Also a part of me thinks he backed down from Daum and The Jacks because Daum is perceived as being the main man and they e beaten us twice now in SL tournament for place in the dance. By transferring to a team that’s likely to go regardless whether they win the league title or not, he took the easy way out. There’s a very large part of me that hates making this post because personally I like Matt. A lot. I think he’s a pretty darned good kid. But I truly believe he’s making a big mistake that he’ll regret a great deal later in life. Will I cheer for Matt at his new school? I sure will. But I have to tell you there’s a large part of me that hopes wherever he goes gets an NIT bid and Coach Lee takes the Coyotes to the dance for the first time. I’ll say I’m sorry right now to any I’ve offended with this post, but I’m having a difficult time publically cheering for someone I perceive as being totally selfish. I think you hit the nail square on the head and I'm glad you posted your thoughts. Quite simply he abandoned his teammates and I really wonder what they have to think about this entire, and might I add, highly publicized ordeal. I have had insiders to the program tell me that he's definitely a "me first" person. Does that make him a bad person? No, not at all. In many ways, for better or worse, that's what get you ahead in life anymore. Do I wish him any ill will? No, not at all. Will I follow how he's doing next season? No, not at all, it doesn't say "Coyotes" on his jersey and, as I've said before I will always root for the name on the front of the jersey while appreciating the name on the back. All in all the roof is not going to cave in and a few players might even be licking their chops at the playing time opportunities that this opens up for them.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 16, 2018 8:08:34 GMT -6
Yoteforever, you and I are from a different time when loyalty actually meant something. In a way, I don't blame these kids though. It's different for them growing up in sports now. When we grew up you went to high school, played sports for your local HS or local VFW or club team, and if you were good enough you got recruited to play in college. Nowadays there are AAU teams, club teams, travel teams. It's almost more important which summer AAU team you play on than which HS team you play on. These players jump from team to team trying to better their position, and the coaches/administrators of these programs have no problem breaking a kid off and cutting him at a young age and that kid is on his own to find another team and hope he can keep advancing his "career". There is no loyalty shown to players who commit to a team/program so why should the player show loyalty back? And they learn this all at a very young age either through personal experience or having watched it happen to a teammate. I'm not at all surprised to see the transfer market we do these days. Football is the next sport you will start seeing this with the proliferation of 7 on 7 leagues, camps, travel football teams, academies, etc.
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 16, 2018 8:19:46 GMT -6
53, I would agree with you if we were iowa, Iowa State, or Alabama. But we are South Dakota and to my recollection I don’t think as a University we’ve displayed where we weren’t loyal and had the athletes best interest in mind. Maybe for me it’s a reflection of our society. The number of people that set aside their bests interests for others is dwindling.
For me, and I’ll always be this way and won’t change, you do what’s right for all. If that means you personally are sacrificed some, so be it. If that means you benefit so be it.
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 16, 2018 8:26:33 GMT -6
The last comment I’ll make is what I said years ago on here. Money has the potential to ruin college athletics. The NCAA is constantly posturing itself for the POWER 5 schools that number 60 some. However, there’s a huge multiple of that number they represent that the constantly changing rules are going to cripple the schools at the level we are at or lower. In other words, money talks.
I never used to believe this but I am subscribing to it now. Let the big boys form their own damn legislative branch, and all the others abide by what’s in place now. Money is ruining college athletics.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 16, 2018 9:07:27 GMT -6
53, I would agree with you if we were iowa, Iowa State, or Alabama. But we are South Dakota and to my recollection I don’t think as a University we’ve displayed where we weren’t loyal and had the athletes best interest in mind. Maybe for me it’s a reflection of our society. The number of people that set aside their bests interests for others is dwindling. For me, and I’ll always be this way and won’t change, you do what’s right for all. If that means you personally are sacrificed some, so be it. If that means you benefit so be it. I didn't mean to imply that USD wasn't loyal. What I meant is that it gets ingrained in these kids to always be looking for the next best thing. They bring that value system with them when they get here (or any other school), so whether USD is loyal or not, doesn't matter, it's been the culture the entire time they've grown up and is the way of the world now.
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Post by wrj on Apr 16, 2018 11:58:28 GMT -6
There was a time in professional sports that when the season ended you could look forward to the next year with the idea that most of the heroes on your favorite team would be back to be your heroes again instead of moving on to the next big contract. Favorite players rarely turned up on rival rosters. It was fun to be a fan. The fun started going away a long time ago.
I do not know how many times I have heard that a fan no longer has a favorite team. There are many who only care about the game to see how their fantasy players do each time they play so that a team that only exists in dreams can be declared the winner or the loser.
I hope we don't lose college sports to the same bought and sold loyalties.
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Post by usdtator on Apr 16, 2018 13:58:50 GMT -6
There was a time in professional sports that when the season ended you could look forward to the next year with the idea that most of the heroes on your favorite team would be back to be your heroes again instead of moving on to the next big contract. Favorite players rarely turned up on rival rosters. It was fun to be a fan. The fun started going away a long time ago. I do not know how many times I have heard that a fan no longer has a favorite team. There are many who only care about the game to see how their fantasy players do each time they play so that a team that only exists in dreams can be declared the winner or the loser. I hope we don't lose college sports to the same bought and sold loyalties. It's gonna happen with the new transfer rule coming into effect. I have heard it will only affect transfers of high academic standing... we'd all better hope that our favorite players can barely stay eligible.
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Post by easmus on Apr 16, 2018 14:28:40 GMT -6
There was a time in professional sports that when the season ended you could look forward to the next year with the idea that most of the heroes on your favorite team would be back to be your heroes again instead of moving on to the next big contract. Favorite players rarely turned up on rival rosters. It was fun to be a fan. The fun started going away a long time ago. I do not know how many times I have heard that a fan no longer has a favorite team. There are many who only care about the game to see how their fantasy players do each time they play so that a team that only exists in dreams can be declared the winner or the loser. I hope we don't lose college sports to the same bought and sold loyalties. Maybe don’t make athletes heroes and people won’t be so disappointed. Yes, there have been some downsides to free agency, but it is something they earn through service. I mean, why should the team be the only one to have control over a player’s future? They can trade you or cut you but you cannot go elsewhere if a better situation is available?
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Post by Yotes on Apr 16, 2018 19:39:42 GMT -6
There was a time in professional sports that when the season ended you could look forward to the next year with the idea that most of the heroes on your favorite team would be back to be your heroes again instead of moving on to the next big contract. Favorite players rarely turned up on rival rosters. It was fun to be a fan. The fun started going away a long time ago. I do not know how many times I have heard that a fan no longer has a favorite team. There are many who only care about the game to see how their fantasy players do each time they play so that a team that only exists in dreams can be declared the winner or the loser. I hope we don't lose college sports to the same bought and sold loyalties. I don't really get your take on pro teams. Star players have been shifting teams since at least the 80s. Hell, let's go back one hundred years to when Babe Ruth made his move. I have always been more interested in college athletics because the love of the game was at its center, rather than a paycheck. Increased money and exposure will ruin the game as YF stated. It's really a matter of time.
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Post by elcoyote on Apr 16, 2018 20:23:33 GMT -6
Sadly, this same crap has even drifted down to the high school level. Not saying there's money involved but there are plenty of cases of parents shopping their kids around and plenty of coaches recruiting even in good, wholesome South Dakota and Nebraska. These summer AAU travel teams are an absolute cesspool and this is where a lot of the "me first" attitude develops, but players are almost forced into the mess if they want to be seen because that's where most of the recruiting is done these days.
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Post by gasser86 on Apr 16, 2018 20:54:01 GMT -6
He is making quite the spectacle of this process...I don't think I've been so informed of a free agency type process since LeBron left Cleveland for Miami.
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Post by wrj on Apr 16, 2018 22:32:24 GMT -6
Sorry for the confusion ....
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Post by bballtrainer1 on Apr 17, 2018 1:43:15 GMT -6
Look, I'll be honest. I read through these threads sometimes because I love USD basketball and I know the guys. For the most part, I enjoy reading your opinions and takes on the team and the games. But sometimes some of you have no idea what you're talking about and with Matt mooney you guys are clueless. I had to make an account because I was so frustrated reading this. I know all the guys on the team and I know mooney well. For starters, he is not taking the easy way out. He is doing the exact opposite. He is comfortable here at USD and if he stays he'll get his 20+ a game and get NBA workouts and play in the summer league. Basically, he'll get his shot at the NBA if he stays. Most guys wouldn't leave because they're risking hurting their pro stock. It's a huge risk for mooney. The main reason why mooney is leaving is because of the fan base and the strength of schedule. The fans don't show up. And for all you guys criticizing his move, you better be going to games. I get it, no students show up either. But for Matt he wants to play in front of big crowds. We averaged like 1500. A team that went from an awful d1 team to conference champs in one year and they still can't get fans. I don't get it and he doesn't get it either. How can you show loyalty when people don't even show up??? Second, the schedule was terrible. This dude is a competitor and he wants to play against the best. The non conference is awful and the summit league is down. The dude wanted to stay so badly but he knew he would be frustrated with terrible crowds and bad competition. He has a chance to make a lot of money playing basketball and has a chance to play on the biggest stage. He's taking on a new challenge. If he plays well, his pro stock rises. He gave all he had for three years and he wasn't appreciated. That's the truth. You guys don't even know that he had hip surgery last summer and came back one week before the season. He didn't even have an offseason.. but no way he'd miss a game. Doctors told him he wouldn't play until January probably. How many people on here were at the summit league tourney champions ship??? About 80% of the crowd was sdsu fans. It woulda helped if we had some fans there. And lastly, someone said he was selfish? Ask his teammates and coaches what they think of him. He isn't selfish at all. You guys don't know him at all. You don't know coach smith either.. sorry for my rant but I had to inform you guys. Also, his head coach and the staff that recruited him left..
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Post by gopheryote on Apr 17, 2018 5:47:15 GMT -6
Sadly, this same crap has even drifted down to the high school level. Not saying there's money involved but there are plenty of cases of parents shopping their kids around and plenty of coaches recruiting even in good, wholesome South Dakota and Nebraska. These summer AAU travel teams are an absolute cesspool and this is where a lot of the "me first" attitude develops, but players are almost forced into the mess if they want to be seen because that's where most of the recruiting is done these days. This. Only replace 'high school' with '5th grade'.
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