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Post by gopheryote on Apr 17, 2018 5:52:15 GMT -6
Look, I'll be honest. I read through these threads sometimes because I love USD basketball and I know the guys. For the most part, I enjoy reading your opinions and takes on the team and the games. But sometimes some of you have no idea what you're talking about and with Matt mooney you guys are clueless. I had to make an account because I was so frustrated reading this. I know all the guys on the team and I know mooney well. For starters, he is not taking the easy way out. He is doing the exact opposite. He is comfortable here at USD and if he stays he'll get his 20+ a game and get NBA workouts and play in the summer league. Basically, he'll get his shot at the NBA if he stays. Most guys wouldn't leave because they're risking hurting their pro stock. It's a huge risk for mooney. The main reason why mooney is leaving is because of the fan base and the strength of schedule. The fans don't show up. And for all you guys criticizing his move, you better be going to games. I get it, no students show up either. But for Matt he wants to play in front of big crowds. We averaged like 1500. A team that went from an awful d1 team to conference champs in one year and they still can't get fans. I don't get it and he doesn't get it either. How can you show loyalty when people don't even show up??? Second, the schedule was terrible. This dude is a competitor and he wants to play against the best. The non conference is awful and the summit league is down. The dude wanted to stay so badly but he knew he would be frustrated with terrible crowds and bad competition. He has a chance to make a lot of money playing basketball and has a chance to play on the biggest stage. He's taking on a new challenge. If he plays well, his pro stock rises. He gave all he had for three years and he wasn't appreciated. That's the truth. You guys don't even know that he had hip surgery last summer and came back one week before the season. He didn't even have an offseason.. but no way he'd miss a game. Doctors told him he wouldn't play until January probably. How many people on here were at the summit league tourney champions ship??? About 80% of the crowd was sdsu fans. It woulda helped if we had some fans there. And lastly, someone said he was selfish? Ask his teammates and coaches what they think of him. He isn't selfish at all. You guys don't know him at all. You don't know coach smith either.. sorry for my rant but I had to inform you guys. Also, his head coach and the staff that recruited him left.. This too. Though in fairness to Matt and posters, the thread has drifted away from him (most realized he may not be coming back before the past season started), and is more about the state of MBB free agency.
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Post by obc on Apr 17, 2018 6:23:44 GMT -6
bballtrainer1 - you bring up some topics worth discussing. These are highly charged topics that elicit emotional responses.
The USD fans didn't show up for the regular season games and were badly outnumbered at the SL tournament. We can all agree there were a lot of empty seats during the regular season games. There are many alumni that are still not engaged at all unless the match-up involves SDSU. As you stated, the MBB went from middling to regular season champ and USD still had a more than half-empty arena most nights. Even the MBB game at home against SDSU didn't sell out. That is interesting in and of itself. We have discussed the SL attendance (or lack thereof) on this board for a long time. SDSU's fans have shown up better than USD's and have done so by a wide margin. Regardless if you feel that SDSU fans have "unfairly" locked-in their SL seats in the lower bowl, I would hope we could all agree that USD's fans could and should do better. I don't think we will get over that hump unless USD beats SDSU on that stage.
The USD students not showing up to games is an ongoing battle at many campuses across the country, but seems more acute in Vermillion. I do not have data to back that up however.
You mention the weak non-conference schedule. I agree. That does not help drive attendance. Univ of Sioux Falls, Mayville State to kick off the regular season.....followed by Grambling St and then Mount Marty. There were a few more games of interest after that highlighted by Eastern Washington and Drake. The actual butts in the seats for both of those were better IMO than some of the other snoozers. There were two more games in Northland College and Peru St. I realize USD lost a SL conference member last year and it left a hole, but we have to have better teams coming to Vermillion. You will not get alumni excited to drive to Vermillion from Sioux Falls, Yankton, Sioux City to watch those games. (Especially since they can easily just watch games like these on the GoYotes.com website or on MidCo frequently) Not sure if the opponent matters to the students, but I can't imagine that it helps. Scheduling must be very difficult as I am sure Craig Smith didn't want that kind of a schedule.
You also mention that the SL is down. Not sure what the actual data RPI says on that - maybe someone else can weigh in on that topic with data. My unscientific response is that it is indeed down. Not having Oakland, IUPUI, along with NDSU and WIU being down significantly sticks out to me.
As far as Matt - he is a great competitor and I am thrilled as a spectator I was able to have a chance to watch him play. I hope he knows how much the fans that watched him really admired and appreciated him. He brought great emotion to the game as indicated by his occasional outbursts that earned him technical fouls are led to Smith benching him. The negative comments directed toward Matt by fans, I chalk up to the equivalent of an emotional outburst like that - technical foul.... Just like Matt's technical fouls and emotional outbursts didn't overshadow his brilliant play, I do not think some of the emotional comments about Matt after his decision to leave should overshadow how the fan base at large really feels about his body of work.
Wish I had the answers on what could fill the arena with fans. Is it unrealistic to think USD could regularly get 1000 fans from Vermillion and Yankton, 1000 fans from Sioux Falls area, 500 fans from south of Vermillion including Sioux City, and at least 1000 students?
Either way - onward to the Coach Lee Era. I am excited to see what he is able to do with the program from here. Remember Craig Smith was several games below .500 in the SL regular season his first two years before breaking out the last two. I believe USD is in a much better position today than when Smith took over, but transitions are tough. Overall I am optimistic and hope more fans show up to help.
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Post by usdcoyote on Apr 17, 2018 9:44:18 GMT -6
Look, I'll be honest. I read through these threads sometimes because I love USD basketball and I know the guys. For the most part, I enjoy reading your opinions and takes on the team and the games. But sometimes some of you have no idea what you're talking about and with Matt mooney you guys are clueless. I had to make an account because I was so frustrated reading this. I know all the guys on the team and I know mooney well. For starters, he is not taking the easy way out. He is doing the exact opposite. He is comfortable here at USD and if he stays he'll get his 20+ a game and get NBA workouts and play in the summer league. Basically, he'll get his shot at the NBA if he stays. Most guys wouldn't leave because they're risking hurting their pro stock. It's a huge risk for mooney. The main reason why mooney is leaving is because of the fan base and the strength of schedule. The fans don't show up. And for all you guys criticizing his move, you better be going to games. I get it, no students show up either. But for Matt he wants to play in front of big crowds. We averaged like 1500. A team that went from an awful d1 team to conference champs in one year and they still can't get fans. I don't get it and he doesn't get it either. How can you show loyalty when people don't even show up??? Second, the schedule was terrible. This dude is a competitor and he wants to play against the best. The non conference is awful and the summit league is down. The dude wanted to stay so badly but he knew he would be frustrated with terrible crowds and bad competition. He has a chance to make a lot of money playing basketball and has a chance to play on the biggest stage. He's taking on a new challenge. If he plays well, his pro stock rises. He gave all he had for three years and he wasn't appreciated. That's the truth. You guys don't even know that he had hip surgery last summer and came back one week before the season. He didn't even have an offseason.. but no way he'd miss a game. Doctors told him he wouldn't play until January probably. How many people on here were at the summit league tourney champions ship??? About 80% of the crowd was sdsu fans. It woulda helped if we had some fans there. And lastly, someone said he was selfish? Ask his teammates and coaches what they think of him. He isn't selfish at all. You guys don't know him at all. You don't know coach smith either.. sorry for my rant but I had to inform you guys. Also, his head coach and the staff that recruited him left.. I always figured the biggest reason he would leave would be the size of the crowds. You can tell he loves the big stage, he thrives off a big crowd. The USD crowds were probably the best of the conference crowds he played in front of (along with SDSU) during the conference season and we all know what the sizes of those crowds were. From what I have seen I would say the vast majority of USD fans have been pretty understanding of his decision. Sure, everyone wanted to keep him, but almost everyone I have seen has understood his decision. Yes, some have seen it as a selfish decision and a decision that isn't loyal to his team and school. But I think even the biggest Mooney supporters would have to admit that of course it's a selfish decision, but as I've pointed out already he has earned the right to be selfish in his decision. Obviously it's not a decision that has his former teammates best interest in mind and that has some of the old school guys upset. However, even the ones I've seen who are upset with the decision, seem to want to see him do well at his next stop. Nobody is wishing ill will on him and everyone is thankful for the good work he put in while here. As far as whether he took the easy way out, there is definitely an argument to be made on both sides. bballtrainer1 has pointed out the one side, obviously the other side would say he didn't want to try and get by Daum and the Rabbits and wanted to go to a team that was almost guaranteed to make the tournament.
I kind of fall in the middle on this one. I know exactly where the old school "loyalty" guys are coming from. I can't imagine myself making this decision to leave my teammates going into my final year where we were going to be one of the two clear favorites to make our first big dance ever. However, I also am not going to fault someone for making a decision that I never would have. I'm sure he's always dreamed of playing on the biggest stage possible and now he has the chance to do that he wants to take advantage of that. I (as most Yote fans do) hope he does really well wherever he goes.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Apr 17, 2018 10:11:16 GMT -6
Look, I'll be honest. I read through these threads sometimes because I love USD basketball and I know the guys. For the most part, I enjoy reading your opinions and takes on the team and the games. But sometimes some of you have no idea what you're talking about and with Matt mooney you guys are clueless. I had to make an account because I was so frustrated reading this. I know all the guys on the team and I know mooney well. For starters, he is not taking the easy way out. He is doing the exact opposite. He is comfortable here at USD and if he stays he'll get his 20+ a game and get NBA workouts and play in the summer league. Basically, he'll get his shot at the NBA if he stays. Most guys wouldn't leave because they're risking hurting their pro stock. It's a huge risk for mooney. The main reason why mooney is leaving is because of the fan base and the strength of schedule. The fans don't show up. And for all you guys criticizing his move, you better be going to games. I get it, no students show up either. But for Matt he wants to play in front of big crowds. We averaged like 1500. A team that went from an awful d1 team to conference champs in one year and they still can't get fans. I don't get it and he doesn't get it either. How can you show loyalty when people don't even show up??? Second, the schedule was terrible. This dude is a competitor and he wants to play against the best. The non conference is awful and the summit league is down. The dude wanted to stay so badly but he knew he would be frustrated with terrible crowds and bad competition. He has a chance to make a lot of money playing basketball and has a chance to play on the biggest stage. He's taking on a new challenge. If he plays well, his pro stock rises. He gave all he had for three years and he wasn't appreciated. That's the truth. You guys don't even know that he had hip surgery last summer and came back one week before the season. He didn't even have an offseason.. but no way he'd miss a game. Doctors told him he wouldn't play until January probably. How many people on here were at the summit league tourney champions ship??? About 80% of the crowd was sdsu fans. It woulda helped if we had some fans there. And lastly, someone said he was selfish? Ask his teammates and coaches what they think of him. He isn't selfish at all. You guys don't know him at all. You don't know coach smith either.. sorry for my rant but I had to inform you guys. Also, his head coach and the staff that recruited him left.. I may be mistaken but didn't USD play Duke, UCLA, and TCU? That is a great opportunity for a Summit League team, and I don't believe anyone in the Summit had more top tier OOC games. Blame IUPUI leaving if you are talking about the lower level schools, these schedules are completed far in advance to a season. You say the competition is terrible, yet USD has not made the NCAA tournament. It's pretty hard to get more competition in conference if there is only a handful of good teams. The stage wasn't big enough, yet he got national recognition and is the being labeled as the biggest D1 transfer this off-season. This is the Summit League, it will never be the BIG10, ACC, ect. Maybe his perception of the Summit League was too high when he chose to come to USD. He was given the opportunity to come here to lead a team with a brand new gym, go to the SL Champ game on National TV, the fans were behind him and the team all season. I am confused as to how he wasn't appreciated. If he wasn't wanted, there wouldn't be 9 pages on here discussing this topic. I am guessing you were at every game and got 20 of your student friends to come so thank you for that. It comes down to Mooney wants to play in a bigger conference than the Summit League, and that is fine. If you think the crowds are bad at USD, take a look at any other of the teams in the SL. Check out the numbers by Kiyoat in this thread: usdcoyotesports.proboards.com/thread/1942/summit-mens-basketball-attendance-school. Many of the venues in the SL are subpar, and USD arguably has the best. I don't think it was that hard of a decision for him. I will wish him the best wherever he goes and will appreciate the time he played here. Hopefully he gets a good grad degree as basketball doesn't last forever. Time to move on.
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Post by nccyote on Apr 17, 2018 10:34:18 GMT -6
I may be mistaken but didn't USD play Duke, UCLA, and TCU? That is a great opportunity for a Summit League team, and I don't believe anyone in the Summit had more top tier OOC games. Blame IUPUI leaving if you are talking about the lower level schools, these schedules are completed far in advance to a season. You say the competition is terrible, yet USD has not made the NCAA tournament. It's pretty hard to get more competition in conference if there is only a handful of good teams. The stage wasn't big enough, yet he got national recognition and is the being labeled as the biggest D1 transfer this off-season. This is the Summit League, it will never be the BIG10, ACC, ect. Maybe his perception of the Summit League was too high when he chose to come to USD. He was given the opportunity to come here to lead a team with a brand new gym, go to the SL Champ game on National TV, the fans were behind him and the team all season. I am confused as to how he wasn't appreciated. If he wasn't wanted, there wouldn't be 9 pages on here discussing this topic. I am guessing you were at every game and got 20 of your student friends to come so thank you for that. It comes down to Mooney wants to play in a bigger conference than the Summit League, and that is fine. If you think the crowds are bad at USD, take a look at any other of the teams in the SL. Check out the numbers by Kiyoat in this thread: usdcoyotesports.proboards.com/thread/1942/summit-mens-basketball-attendance-school. Many of the venues in the SL are subpar, and USD arguably has the best. I don't think it was that hard of a decision for him. I will wish him the best wherever he goes and will appreciate the time he played here. Hopefully he gets a good grad degree as basketball doesn't last forever. Time to move on. Yes! What he said.
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Post by wrj on Apr 17, 2018 11:07:52 GMT -6
Look, I'll be honest. I read through these threads sometimes because I love USD basketball and I know the guys. For the most part, I enjoy reading your opinions and takes on the team and the games. But sometimes some of you have no idea what you're talking about and with Matt mooney you guys are clueless. I had to make an account because I was so frustrated reading this. I know all the guys on the team and I know mooney well. For starters, he is not taking the easy way out. He is doing the exact opposite. He is comfortable here at USD and if he stays he'll get his 20+ a game and get NBA workouts and play in the summer league. Basically, he'll get his shot at the NBA if he stays. Most guys wouldn't leave because they're risking hurting their pro stock. It's a huge risk for mooney. The main reason why mooney is leaving is because of the fan base and the strength of schedule. The fans don't show up. And for all you guys criticizing his move, you better be going to games. I get it, no students show up either. But for Matt he wants to play in front of big crowds. We averaged like 1500. A team that went from an awful d1 team to conference champs in one year and they still can't get fans. I don't get it and he doesn't get it either. How can you show loyalty when people don't even show up??? Second, the schedule was terrible. This dude is a competitor and he wants to play against the best. The non conference is awful and the summit league is down. The dude wanted to stay so badly but he knew he would be frustrated with terrible crowds and bad competition. He has a chance to make a lot of money playing basketball and has a chance to play on the biggest stage. He's taking on a new challenge. If he plays well, his pro stock rises. He gave all he had for three years and he wasn't appreciated. That's the truth. You guys don't even know that he had hip surgery last summer and came back one week before the season. He didn't even have an offseason.. but no way he'd miss a game. Doctors told him he wouldn't play until January probably. How many people on here were at the summit league tourney champions ship??? About 80% of the crowd was sdsu fans. It woulda helped if we had some fans there. And lastly, someone said he was selfish? Ask his teammates and coaches what they think of him. He isn't selfish at all. You guys don't know him at all. You don't know coach smith either.. sorry for my rant but I had to inform you guys. Also, his head coach and the staff that recruited him left.. I fear that your last sentence is more prophecy than history. Since you are a new poster, I feel obligated to mention that I am a Jackrabbit fan. To the degree that I favor a team from the state of South Dakota to win over those teams from elsewhere, I am, to a lesser degree, a fan of the coyote's. The chance that a recruited player, other than perhaps one recruited by a very recently hired coaching staff, will get to play his or her entire collegiate career for the same coaching staff is probably very poor at either USD or SDSU. The simple truth is that any coach worth keeping is good enough to move on to bigger and greener pastures. SDSU has had coaches that defied that logic, but that too shall come to an end, perhaps quite soon. Recruited players need to know that their coaching staffs will probably change, but unfortunately, they probably do not. As for Mr. Mooney's decision to move on due to poor crowds and poor quality of schedule (that you have reported to us), I cannot criticize him. But it does make me wonder, how are these things different from the seasons before he came to USD. In other words, why did he choose USD in the first place?
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 17, 2018 12:05:28 GMT -6
Even the MBB game at home against SDSU didn't sell out.... No, but there were a legitimate 5,100 fans there. That's 85% full. Compare that to the same match-up in Brookings. 4,500 fans / 75% full. The arenas have different feels to them, and I agree that SDSU counts gate vs. USD counting sold tickets. At least for that game and the WNIT games there weren't any empty sold seats. We absolutely need to get more fans for the regular season games, though. We have trended up and SDSU has trended down for the last four years, but there is more work to be done.
year USD SDSU 2015--1745-2993 2016--1873-2781 2017--2192-2321 2018--2269-2292
You can't tell me that trend isn't bothering the SDSU athletic administration. You will never see that story in the news, of course.The USD students not showing up to games is an ongoing battle at many campuses across the country, but seems more acute in Vermillion. I do not have data to back that up however. This has always been a problem in Vermillion. It needs addressed. Coach Smith tried to do it with heaping praise on them when they did show up. I hope the Toddfather has a strategy as well.
There is a backdrop, of course, of declining attendance in general, but that has been more gradual nationwide. D-II has been hit particularly hard.
D-1 ave attendance 1993-1995 = 5,366 D-1 ave attendance 2015-2017 = 4,710 (12.2% drop)
D-II ave attendance 1993-1995 = 1,057 D-II ave attendance 2015-2017 = 669 (36.7% drop)!!
USD ave attendance 1993-1995 = 4,240 USD ave attendance 2015-2017 = 1,937 (54.3% drop)!! projected potential (-12.2%)====3,723 projected potential (-36.7%)====2,684
In other words, the gradual decline in national attendance is not the reason. We should be averaging 3,000-3,500, and I think we will.You mention the weak non-conference schedule. I agree. That does not help drive attendance.... we have to have better teams coming to Vermillion.... Scheduling must be very difficult as I am sure Craig Smith didn't want that kind of a schedule. I think whoever has created our schedule could be doing better. One way to look at it is to compare SOS of the Summit teams. This should give us a good idea of each team's OOC schedule, since conference games are a wash.
Year----USD SOS--vs Summit 2015------#251-----#6 of 9 2016------#149-----#4 of 9 2017------#237-----#6 of 9 2018------#240-----#5 of 8
In other words, our OOC schedule has been weaker than most of the conference. We can do better.You also mention that the SL is down. Not sure what the actual data RPI says on that - maybe someone else can weigh in on that topic with data. My unscientific response is that it is indeed down. Not having Oakland, IUPUI, along with NDSU and WIU being down significantly sticks out to me. year----SL RPI (rank) 2012---.4891 (#18) 2013---.4793 (#17) 2014---.4867 (#15) 2015---.4755 (#21) 2016---.5129 (#10) 2017---.4854 (#16) 2018---.4765 (#19)
average rank = 16.6. The SL is down, but not by much. Things, are cyclical, and the high rate of transfers can change a conference's RPI in a hurry IMHO....Wish I had the answers on what could fill the arena with fans.... ... but transitions are tough.... all four of the Dakota schools have seen a dip in MBB attendance directly after moving to D-1 and losing the regional rivalries from the old NCC. The XDSUs recovered, but both USD and UND have been slower. I expect the addition of UND to increase the attendance of all four schools next year, and Augie would help as well, despite what some may think.obc, you make some excellent points in this post, and I found some data to add to the conversation. I won't comment on whether Matt or this poster that knows him is right or wrong, because his opinion is his own, is based on his own unique perspective, and an opinion can never be never right or wrong. I do appreciate insight on Matt's true feelings and reasoning. It's too bad that he didn't feel appreciated, because he was. Speaking from my own perspective, over the last four years I have gone from someone who NEVER even paid attention to the Coyotes' teams to attending a SLT game or two, to attending the rivalry football game, to attending a couple of football games and watching a few MBB and WBB games on TV, to (this year) attending several SLT games plus three football games, both MBB and WBB rivalry games, a double-header, the pentagon games, and two WNIT home games. In addition, I have gradually become a more frequent poster on this board, so for me, the board, the WNIT championship, the USD-SDSU rivalry, the great local media coverage, and the great coaches and teams (including Matt) have all contributed to my very gradual increase in fan-dom. I think the Athletic Department and President Abbot have done everything right in growing this program and its following. It just takes time.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Apr 17, 2018 13:02:50 GMT -6
Exactly. It just takes time. Rome wasn't built in a day. Sustained success is not built overnight. Success can happen quickly, no doubt, but sustained success takes foundation building and culture. That can only be achieved with time, effort, patience and consistency.
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Post by elcoyote on Apr 17, 2018 19:24:19 GMT -6
Look, I'll be honest. I read through these threads sometimes because I love USD basketball and I know the guys. For the most part, I enjoy reading your opinions and takes on the team and the games. But sometimes some of you have no idea what you're talking about and with Matt mooney you guys are clueless. I had to make an account because I was so frustrated reading this. I know all the guys on the team and I know mooney well. For starters, he is not taking the easy way out. He is doing the exact opposite. He is comfortable here at USD and if he stays he'll get his 20+ a game and get NBA workouts and play in the summer league. Basically, he'll get his shot at the NBA if he stays. Most guys wouldn't leave because they're risking hurting their pro stock. It's a huge risk for mooney. The main reason why mooney is leaving is because of the fan base and the strength of schedule. The fans don't show up. And for all you guys criticizing his move, you better be going to games. I get it, no students show up either. But for Matt he wants to play in front of big crowds. We averaged like 1500. A team that went from an awful d1 team to conference champs in one year and they still can't get fans. I don't get it and he doesn't get it either. How can you show loyalty when people don't even show up??? Second, the schedule was terrible. This dude is a competitor and he wants to play against the best. The non conference is awful and the summit league is down. The dude wanted to stay so badly but he knew he would be frustrated with terrible crowds and bad competition. He has a chance to make a lot of money playing basketball and has a chance to play on the biggest stage. He's taking on a new challenge. If he plays well, his pro stock rises. He gave all he had for three years and he wasn't appreciated. That's the truth. You guys don't even know that he had hip surgery last summer and came back one week before the season. He didn't even have an offseason.. but no way he'd miss a game. Doctors told him he wouldn't play until January probably. How many people on here were at the summit league tourney champions ship??? About 80% of the crowd was sdsu fans. It woulda helped if we had some fans there. And lastly, someone said he was selfish? Ask his teammates and coaches what they think of him. He isn't selfish at all. You guys don't know him at all. You don't know coach smith either.. sorry for my rant but I had to inform you guys. Also, his head coach and the staff that recruited him left.. Thank you for the lecture, young man. It's refreshing to know that we're "clueless" especially seeing that no one here has the life experiences that you must have. Look, I appreciate you standing up for your friend and I realize that you're a product of this day and age and have different values and mores than some of the old fossils do, but your line that he wasn't appreciated was total and absolute crap. He's going somewhere where he's going to be a one and done. You think he's going to become any kind of icon there? Also, there are people on this board who know people inside the program too. Vermillion is a small town and you'd be shocked at how tightly knit the USD community can be. One last thing: if this is representative of your attitude toward USD, the program and the fans maybe this isn't the place for you.
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Post by coyote6280 on Apr 18, 2018 8:35:05 GMT -6
If Matt follows Smith to Utah St. then what was the point of all this hype. I thought his main goal was to go to a team with tournament hopes. Thanks for nothing matt and Craig
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Post by usdtator on Apr 18, 2018 9:14:33 GMT -6
I would bet money that Matt does not follow Smith to USU. He realizes the Dance would be a longer shot at USU than it would've been to stay at USD.
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Post by The Jungle on Apr 20, 2018 15:05:15 GMT -6
Look, I'll be honest. I read through these threads sometimes because I love USD basketball and I know the guys. For the most part, I enjoy reading your opinions and takes on the team and the games. But sometimes some of you have no idea what you're talking about and with Matt mooney you guys are clueless. I had to make an account because I was so frustrated reading this. I know all the guys on the team and I know mooney well. For starters, he is not taking the easy way out. He is doing the exact opposite. He is comfortable here at USD and if he stays he'll get his 20+ a game and get NBA workouts and play in the summer league. Basically, he'll get his shot at the NBA if he stays. Most guys wouldn't leave because they're risking hurting their pro stock. It's a huge risk for mooney. The main reason why mooney is leaving is because of the fan base and the strength of schedule. The fans don't show up. And for all you guys criticizing his move, you better be going to games. I get it, no students show up either. But for Matt he wants to play in front of big crowds. We averaged like 1500. A team that went from an awful d1 team to conference champs in one year and they still can't get fans. I don't get it and he doesn't get it either. How can you show loyalty when people don't even show up??? Second, the schedule was terrible. This dude is a competitor and he wants to play against the best. The non conference is awful and the summit league is down. The dude wanted to stay so badly but he knew he would be frustrated with terrible crowds and bad competition. He has a chance to make a lot of money playing basketball and has a chance to play on the biggest stage. He's taking on a new challenge. If he plays well, his pro stock rises. He gave all he had for three years and he wasn't appreciated. That's the truth. You guys don't even know that he had hip surgery last summer and came back one week before the season. He didn't even have an offseason.. but no way he'd miss a game. Doctors told him he wouldn't play until January probably. How many people on here were at the summit league tourney champions ship??? About 80% of the crowd was sdsu fans. It woulda helped if we had some fans there. And lastly, someone said he was selfish? Ask his teammates and coaches what they think of him. He isn't selfish at all. You guys don't know him at all. You don't know coach smith either.. sorry for my rant but I had to inform you guys. Also, his head coach and the staff that recruited him left.. Mike Daum doesn't seem to have a problem playing in front of Summit League crowds. He doesn't need 10,000 fans at every game against a power 5 school. I guess fame and fortune is what Mooney seems to care about. Loyalty to his teammates, school and fans (all 1,500 of them) seem to be secondary. He needs to leave. Let's move on without him.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Apr 23, 2018 23:27:48 GMT -6
Look, I'll be honest. I read through these threads sometimes because I love USD basketball and I know the guys. For the most part, I enjoy reading your opinions and takes on the team and the games. But sometimes some of you have no idea what you're talking about and with Matt mooney you guys are clueless. I had to make an account because I was so frustrated reading this. I know all the guys on the team and I know mooney well. For starters, he is not taking the easy way out. He is doing the exact opposite. He is comfortable here at USD and if he stays he'll get his 20+ a game and get NBA workouts and play in the summer league. Basically, he'll get his shot at the NBA if he stays. Most guys wouldn't leave because they're risking hurting their pro stock. It's a huge risk for mooney. The main reason why mooney is leaving is because of the fan base and the strength of schedule. The fans don't show up. And for all you guys criticizing his move, you better be going to games. I get it, no students show up either. But for Matt he wants to play in front of big crowds. We averaged like 1500. A team that went from an awful d1 team to conference champs in one year and they still can't get fans. I don't get it and he doesn't get it either. How can you show loyalty when people don't even show up??? Second, the schedule was terrible. This dude is a competitor and he wants to play against the best. The non conference is awful and the summit league is down. The dude wanted to stay so badly but he knew he would be frustrated with terrible crowds and bad competition. He has a chance to make a lot of money playing basketball and has a chance to play on the biggest stage. He's taking on a new challenge. If he plays well, his pro stock rises. He gave all he had for three years and he wasn't appreciated. That's the truth. You guys don't even know that he had hip surgery last summer and came back one week before the season. He didn't even have an offseason.. but no way he'd miss a game. Doctors told him he wouldn't play until January probably. How many people on here were at the summit league tourney champions ship??? About 80% of the crowd was sdsu fans. It woulda helped if we had some fans there. And lastly, someone said he was selfish? Ask his teammates and coaches what they think of him. He isn't selfish at all. You guys don't know him at all. You don't know coach smith either.. sorry for my rant but I had to inform you guys. Also, his head coach and the staff that recruited him left.. Thank you for the lecture, young man. It's refreshing to know that we're "clueless" especially seeing that no one here has the life experiences that you must have. Look, I appreciate you standing up for your friend and I realize that you're a product of this day and age and have different values and mores than some of the old fossils do, but your line that he wasn't appreciated was total and absolute crap. He's going somewhere where he's going to be a one and done. You think he's going to become any kind of icon there? Also, there are people on this board who know people inside the program too. Vermillion is a small town and you'd be shocked at how tightly knit the USD community can be. One last thing: if this is representative of your attitude toward USD, the program and the fans maybe this isn't the place for you. Your time would be better off spend on another new board bballtrainer1 where you don't have to put up with this crap. You have an interesting post and it gets right at the heart of the what I have been saying all along about attendance etc. You don't need to deal with the bigotry that you will run into here.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Apr 26, 2018 21:24:13 GMT -6
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Post by burbankbob on Apr 26, 2018 21:41:31 GMT -6
I hope 12 minutes a game and 6 points is worth it.
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