ndfan
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Post by ndfan on Feb 12, 2023 1:36:21 GMT -6
The top is settled for the Summit and most everybody pretty much had that figured out at the beginning of the season. SDSU team is something you're not going to see again in the Summit because of Covid extra year eligibility. They have 3 five-year players starting and then they have another two four-year juniors plus talented group of freshmen and sophomores. Now your right about rest of league especially after this past week with NDSU and ORU losing twice this week. We have 3-way tie for second place in the league and only 2 games separating them to 6 place team in conference. The other thing is that 2 through 8 play each other next two weeks so anything could happen so this is going to be exciting couple of weeks just before the Summit tournament. I said at the beginning of the week I thought our chances at best was for 3 in the Summit and now if we would win out i think we would take 2nd place. But i have no idea how this is going to play out. I have been reading your posts on your team I think your way to hard and critical on them you have young team and new coach dealing with adversity. You forget you had team like SDSU is this year last year with 3 five year players with solid young players but having older experienced players is such difference in quality of play and consistency you get. It takes time to rebuild because those players you had consumed up playing time for younger players plus not to mention the loss of those younger players on team last year.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 13, 2023 9:36:56 GMT -6
Conference standings update 2/13/23 # | team | w/l | tie? | 1 | SDSU* | 14-0 |
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| 2T | ORU | 8-6 | H2H | 2T | NDSU | 8-6 | ? | 2T | UND | 8-6 | ? | 5 | USD | 7-7 |
| 6T | Omaha | 7-8 | H2H | 6T | Denver | 7-8 |
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| 8T | WIU | 5-10 | H2H | 8T | St Thom | 5-10 |
| 10 | KC | 3-11 |
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* = clinched regular season title The Jacks have locked up a regular season title, and the rest of the seeding is still pretty wide open, with 3 or 4 games left in the season. The Yotes have Omaha, Denver, ORU and KC left. I could see us going anywhere from 3-1 to 1-3, and finishing anywhere from 3 to 7. We have to sweep our home stand this week against Omaha and Denver to have a shot at a 3-seed.
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yote18
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Post by yote18 on Feb 14, 2023 10:25:24 GMT -6
So this brings up the age old question. What side of the bracket do we want to be on and what seed gives us the best chance? A 4/5 seed gives you a potential date with SDSU in the second round and a 7 seed gives you a play in game.
I’d say if we can’t get the 3 then being the 6 is our best shot at championship match (but would most likely have to go through ORU, NDSU or UND to get there)
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 14, 2023 13:06:03 GMT -6
So this brings up the age old question. What side of the bracket do we want to be on and what seed gives us the best chance? A 4/5 seed gives you a potential date with SDSU in the second round and a 7 seed gives you a play in game. I’d say if we can’t get the 3 then being the 6 is our best shot at championship match (but would most likely have to go through ORU, NDSU or UND to get there) This is my thoughts, too. If 2 is possible, that's the best option, of course, followed by 3, then 6. 7 might be technically preferable to 4 or 5, but I'd rather not fall that far anyway just for pride's sake. I don't know what is possible, but I feel like we would need help from both ND schools to finish 2 or 3, and they both have by far the easiest final games. I think we will probably end up #4 or #5, alongside ORU.
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yote18
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Post by yote18 on Feb 14, 2023 14:23:20 GMT -6
So this brings up the age old question. What side of the bracket do we want to be on and what seed gives us the best chance? A 4/5 seed gives you a potential date with SDSU in the second round and a 7 seed gives you a play in game. I’d say if we can’t get the 3 then being the 6 is our best shot at championship match (but would most likely have to go through ORU, NDSU or UND to get there) This is my thoughts, too. If 2 is possible, that's the best option, of course, followed by 3, then 6. 7 might be technically preferable to 4 or 5, but I'd rather not fall that far anyway just for pride's sake. I don't know what is possible, but I feel like we would need help from both ND schools to finish 2 or 3, and they both have by far the easiest final games. I think we will probably end up #4 or #5, alongside ORU. 7 seed scares me cause we have a real risk of losing against any team. Losing a play in game against the likes of The tommies, leathernecks or Roos would be a major blow. Obviously this is all out of our control but basketball gods if you’re listening extend us an olive branch lol
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Post by 90yote on Feb 16, 2023 11:01:19 GMT -6
If the Yotes win one game this weekend, that will go a long way towards clinching a top-6 spot in the league, assuming that SDSU beats these two teams this weekend. This would leave one of either Denver or Omaha with 10 losses after this weekend. They play each other next weekend. So it is possible that one of those two teams still win a tiebreaker over USD, or one of ST or WIU win out (they play each other Saturday) and get a tiebreaker, but it's unlikely.
Win them both and they clinch for sure.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 17, 2023 14:50:52 GMT -6
(mid-week) Conference standings update 2/17/23 # | team | w/l | tie? | games left | 1 | SDSU* | 15-0 |
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| 2T | NDSU | 9-6 | vs USD | ORU, UST, WIU | 2T | UND | 9-6 |
| KC, WIU, UST | 4T | USD | 8-7 | H2H | Den, ORU, KC | 4T | ORU | 8-7 |
| NDSU, USD, SDSU | 6T | Omaha | 7-9 | H2H | SDSU, Den | 6T | Denver | 7-9 |
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| 8T | WIU | 5-10 | H2H |
| 8T | St Thom | 5-10 |
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| 10 | KC | 3-12 |
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* = clinched regular season title As 90 said, USD will most likely end up with a 4 or 5 seed. North Dakota has the easiest remaining schedule, followed by NDSU. Saturday's NDSU/ORU game will probably determine the 2 and 3 seeds between NDSU and UND. ORU has probably the toughest remaining schedule.
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ndfan
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Post by ndfan on Feb 17, 2023 19:52:13 GMT -6
The Saturday game between ORU and NDSU very likely determine tournament seating for us and NDSU for the tournament. Also were playing for automatic bid into the WNIT which goes to the second-place team in the conference. So, the next three games are meaningful games besides gives us chance to have deep run into the conference tournament. If ORU would beat NDSU we would be up a game with two to go but here again were on the road and both ST. Thomas and Western Illinois both coming of strong performances last week so there is no given winning on the road in the Summit conference. I expected for you guys to sweep this weekend especially playing at home but next week going to ORU and KC is not fun road trip, and both those teams are hard to match up against. ORU wants to run and score, and they have team make up to do that but key to playing with them is to make them turn over the ball and be able to match them with your offense. Now KC has such a big front line that it's hard to match up with them need to get them spread out and beat them with quicker people if you are like we are with smaller lineup. My hope is we come out this weekend in second place going into the last week of the season. If not, we could slip to fourth or fifth depending on how you guys do next week. This is going to be wild week from Saturday to Saturday for the tournament. This should be fun one for fans to follow throughout the Summit conference.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 20, 2023 8:54:54 GMT -6
Conference standings update 2/20/23 # | team | w/l | tie? | games left | seed | 1 | SDSU* | 16-0 |
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| 2T | NDSU | 10-6 | vs USD | UST, WIU | 2-3 | 2T | UND | 10-6 |
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| 4T | USD | 8-8 | H2H | ORU, KC | 4-6 | 4T | ORU | 8-8 |
| USD, SDSU | 4-6 | 6 | Denver | 8-9 |
| Den | 4-7 | 7 | Omaha | 7-10 |
| UNO | 6-8 | 8 | St Thom | 6-10 |
| NDSU, UND | 7-9 | 9 | WIU | 5-11 |
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| 10 | KC | 3-13 |
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* = clinched regular season title So unless I'm mistaken, the ND schools have locked up the 2 and 3 seeds NDSU wins the tiebreaker if USD stays at 4th, not sure if that's true if the 4-6 teams shuffle. Denver now enters the mix (I think) for the 4-seed as well as USD and ORU, but with the remaining schedule we could end up with a 3-way tie for 4th: If USD loses to ORU and beats KC, ORU loses to SDSU, and Denver beats Omaha (all outcomes pretty likely) .... then we have our 3-way tie at 9-9 for 4th place. But if USD beats ORU, the odds of the Yotes finishing alone in 4th go up exponentially. As for the bottom teams, UST, WIU and KC have locked in a Thursday play-in game. Omaha can still move up to 6th with a win over Denver because of the head-to-head results. The most likely outcome is the order shown IMO. USD and ORU could easily switch places, but it would only change what color they wear in the tournament.
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ndfan
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Post by ndfan on Feb 20, 2023 11:27:54 GMT -6
Another possibility that could occur too is you could end up three way tie for fifth if you would get swept on the week which I believe that occur. After we played KC this past weekend they are not to be over looked they will be tough match up to you and this game is on the road. I am not saying you will loose for sure but they are not weak bottom of conference team to be overlooked. I expect ORU to have good week ahead upon returning home and they played quite well this past week but they on were on road and we played very good basketball games even though scores may not indicate that. The other thing for three way tie is Denver to win this week and that l don’t know how that will come out. Then there is whole number of other out comes with how we play and NDSU this week on the road and I don’t care we should win on paper this year teams 2-10 all have had hard time winning on the road consistently this year. This should be fun week for the fans in Summit because all the games this final week has importance on how teams finish for the conference tournament. 0
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 27, 2023 9:47:06 GMT -6
Final Conference standings update 2-27-23 # | team | w/l | tie? | seed | 1 | SDSU* | 18-0 |
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| 2 | NDSU | 12-6 | | 2 | 3 | UND | 11-7 |
| 3 | 4 | USD | 10-8 |
| 4 | 5T | ORU | 8-10 | H2H | 5 | 5T | Omaha | 8-10 | H2H | 6 | 5T | Denver | 8-10 | H2H | 7 | 8 | St Thom | 7-11 |
| 8 | 9 | WIU | 5-13 |
| 9 | 10 | KC | 3-15 |
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* = clinched regular season title Well, this turned out about as we thought, with the only surprises in the final games being a UND loss to St Thomas and a very narrow victory for USD over KC. So like the men's side there is a great deal of parity after the top 1 or 2 teams. On the women's side SDSU is the only real dominant team. It should make for an entertaining tournament for all-session pass holders! Next year, I'm hopeful that we can return to a top-two team, and a contender for a title. Even if we end up in the 3 or 4 spot, we need to have the consistency to not drop multiple games to bottom-half teams. I'd consider that improvement. I think we will be fine in the long-term.
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yote18
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Post by yote18 on Feb 27, 2023 9:53:18 GMT -6
As long as we never finish behind a North Dakota school again I’ll consider it a win.
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ndfan
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Post by ndfan on Feb 27, 2023 15:53:55 GMT -6
I don't know how next year goes but I believe the total dominance by South Dakota schools may be coming to an end because both North Dakota schools have made more commitment to women's programs in past couple years with better coaching hired and expanded area to recruiting talent to compete in the Summit League. This is not to mention how other teams of the conference are getting better also. ORU, Denver, St. Thomas i believe have made big improvements and other members of conference are also have been improving. I believe the days where you guys have dominated the conference for last 10 years may be coming to the end and I hope so that we can become dominant mid-major conference where we can have multiple teams advancing in number of the post season tournaments. You may not like to hear this but i believe this will improve the conference and get more fan interest in Women's sports.
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Post by kiyoat on Feb 27, 2023 17:31:25 GMT -6
I don't know how next year goes but I believe the total dominance by South Dakota schools may be coming to an end because both North Dakota schools have made more commitment to women's programs in past couple years with better coaching hired and expanded area to recruiting talent to compete in the Summit League. This is not to mention how other teams of the conference are getting better also. ORU, Denver, St. Thomas i believe have made big improvements and other members of conference are also have been improving. I believe the days where you guys have dominated the conference for last 10 years may be coming to the end and I hope so that we can become dominant mid-major conference where we can have multiple teams advancing in number of the post season tournaments. You may not like to hear this but i believe this will improve the conference and get more fan interest in Women's sports. I would hesitate to say that what we are seeing is all the Summit teams getting better. We can say that there was a lot of parity this year outside of SDSU. Does that mean everyone got better? or that everyone is equally bad? I think the truth of that shows up in the pre-season and in the post-season. ORU scheduled a very tough non-conference season, and did poorly against it. St Thomas scheduled a very weak non-conference, and did very well. In the end, they both finished within one game of each-other in conference play. I agree that having multiple teams contending for titles is ideal for the growth of the league, but don't get ahead of yourself burying the Yotes just yet. We're not going anywhere.
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Post by oldhare on Feb 27, 2023 18:48:30 GMT -6
I would agree that both ND schools have upped their game. I would also agree that USD had a drop off due to injury and portal. The pipeline that exists for USD is still viable and the experience of the team from this year is more valuable since the graduates are moving out from the injuries and some will return for next year. ND schools still need a bit more team base which is visible. Many of the remaining teams need to catch up to be in the top half. UND in particular will need more length before they supplant USD & NDSU. It is encouraging to see upgrades as we know that the Summit is capable of sending 2 teams to the NCAA Tourney.
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