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Post by bisonnation on Oct 21, 2012 19:52:19 GMT -6
The vibe I was getting is fans were pissed about the turnout and were annoyed by the huge ndsu fan presence
When you have 1 win its going to hurt fan interest Don't feel bad our fan base is insane and would have shown up in large numbers even had the game been in Vermillion. Heck we would pack the place had it been on a dirt field in the middle of nowhere. Ask Jack fans.
You guys will be alright. Glenn is a proven winner but it's going to take some time
On a side note: the stadium was completely unprepared to handle the large Bison presence 5 porta potties, poorly staffed consession stands and the longest bathroom line I have ever seen! They were completely unprepared for this. And when you ask the question they act surprised! Seriously they really had no idea?
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Post by wrj on Oct 21, 2012 20:03:06 GMT -6
As a Jackrabbit fan I am an outsider here. I know the game outcome was negative. What about the whole concept of playing the game in Sioux Falls? Should the Coyotes do it again? Did it really net USD enough money to give up a home game? Or, did it gain something other than money that made it worth playing in Sioux Falls? Obviously getting blown out by a higher profile program that plucks some of the best FCS talent in the area is not good. USD has unique challenges to SDSU, and IMO waned to take a chance by seeing if they could reconnect with disconnected alumni in the SF area. SDSU has had a more connected alumni group for years and has had more students for years. On top of that they did a good job reaching out and connecting with even more alumni. Throw in the success in FB, MBB and WBB they have earned some rightful buzz and attention. USD needs to have some success on the field and basketball court as job one. People will jump on a winning wagon. The crowd was made up of a significant number of people that do not go to Vermillion for games. Will coming to see the Coyotes get destroyed make them come back? Probably not it was pretty embarrassing. The interesting thing though is four of my coworkers that came and tailgated actually told me they are much more likely to come to some games in Vermillion more for the festivities than the football really. They also told me that unlike me they would leave at halftime if the game sucked. Not sure what the rest of the crowd's take will be. It is a tough decision to mess with locations. I live in the Black Hills so I was not there when SDSU decided to try playing in Sioux Falls, but I know that a lot of fans were not amused. I also know that SDSU does have a certain percentage of its fan base that does travel to see games. When I am back in Brookings for games, I almost always see others from the Black Hills there. I don't know if USD has a similar group of fans or not. And, if not, why not? I know a number of USD alumni in the Black Hills, but most of them profess little or no interest in Coyote athletics. They think I am crazy to buy season football tickets for a team that requires 750-800 miles of round trip travel per game. I am unaware of any other SDSU fans from the Black Hills that have already bought Summit League basketball tournament tickets, but I will not be surprised to see other fans there that travel a significant distance to see it. Of course, there is a lot of optimism about SDSU basketball this year. If that optimism fizzles during the regular season, there may be some tickets available from some of us. Statistically, I don't know enough USD alumni here for it to be a valid sample size. The "N" is simply too small. The last time I was at a game in Vermillion was before my daughter graduated from USD which was in 2008. USD was still playing in Division II. Tailgating was in its infancy at USD. I suspect that if I had cause to return, that I would see a lot of different things now. I suspect that if you are able to look back that far and remember, that you would actually see that a number of things about Coyote football and the game day experience have improved. I am also quite certain that it will improve more. To compare to SDSU would really require that you compare USD to the SDSU experience of five years ago. It will still be a few years before comparing the two will be comparing apples to apples. Of course, even then, it will be comparing yellow apples to red apples. I say this with some disappointing memories of our earliest years in Division I and our earliest years when we had become playoff eligible. Truthfully, other than winning, I don't know how to expand the fan base. Hang in there. Keeping the current loyal fans is probably the first step to fan base growth.
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Post by cantguard3 on Oct 21, 2012 21:04:08 GMT -6
The thing that I have a problem with is the fact that the offense only runs 4 plays. A run, a counter, a delay, or a bomb to Will Powell, who is usually under heavy coverage. There needs to be some clean up in the play calling and get out of the leather-head mentality. And we can all cry until the cows come home about the defense, I think it was a mistake moving TStarr to a linebacker, because the qb pressure is at a all time low. I'm tired of hearing the "fire Joe Glenn" too. He just got here, it takes time to get a program rolling. Another thing is that it's the missouri valley conference, reporters call it the SEC of mid major football. I know this is kind of off the NDSU topic, but there is a lot of cleaning up to do. If I'm the AD, I'm getting rid of the offensive coordinator, there is too much talent and athleticism on that side of the ball.
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Post by yoteforever on Oct 21, 2012 21:09:56 GMT -6
The vibe I was getting is fans were pissed about the turnout and were annoyed by the huge ndsu fan presence When you have 1 win its going to hurt fan interest Don't feel bad our fan base is insane and would have shown up in large numbers even had the game been in Vermillion. Heck we would pack the place had it been on a dirt field in the middle of nowhere. Ask Jack fans. You guys will be alright. Glenn is a proven winner but it's going to take some time On a side note: the stadium was completely unprepared to handle the large Bison presence 5 porta potties, poorly staffed consession stands and the longest bathroom line I have ever seen! They were completely unprepared for this. And when you ask the question they act surprised! Seriously they really had no idea? Congrats on your win. It was embarrassing to say the least. The thing is, had he game been in the Dome you maybe would have had 1000 fans at most. The results would not have changed however. I agree on the stadium being unprepared. He'll they didn't even take care of us. GAMEDAY management lacks big time.
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Post by coyote70 on Oct 21, 2012 22:19:56 GMT -6
Reading all the above posts I was most struck by Mmike's. Knowledgeable and observant! I also agree with another poster (reluctantly) that we are not comparatively a young team. I saw Ill. State's roster and it had a whole lot of freshmen and sophomores. Could be wrong but I think UNI's starting QB is a freshman.
Looking back to the '70s and '80s when we had fairly successful teams I was cognizant of the fact that we had a system or certain style of play. It was centered around the wishbone offense. Nowadays we'd call it a triple option offense. Look at FCS teams like Cal-Poly, Georgia Southern and Wofford. They use it. Heck, I think Georgia Southern didn't pass once in their game last week. These teams are very successful and have the mentality that 1) they generally cannot compete in their market for top-tier players and 2) therefore they recruit and coach players to excel in running the ball and stopping the run. For example, a few years ago when Cal-Poly beat the Yotes in the Dome I noticed their O-line was fairly short (6'2 or so) and light (around 270-280). Simply put, they were quicker than we were.
I'm not even sure with good coaching we can compete for the conference FB title unless we become more business-minded in our overall approach. Just like the smart businessman (or Wofford et al) USD needs to recruit and develop talent based on its "corporate style". We need to know our competition's strengths and weaknesses in every way. We need to know our strengths and weaknesses in every way.
If we keep doing the same thing over and over without achieving positive results, we ain'ta gonna get there.
Hats off to you folks out there! By first observing and then posting on this board I've become much more aware of, and supportive of my alma mater. Yes, the NDSU game stunk, but my support of the Yotes will never diminish because of any loss! It may have gotten even stronger. In my mind NDSU can and will be taken out by us if we are smarter than they. It's how quickly we smarten up that's the issue.
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Post by yotemeal on Oct 22, 2012 8:03:37 GMT -6
One poster referenced the MVFC being the SEC of FCS football. The comparison might offer some perspective. Despite NDSU's misfortune against Indiana State (and I do mean misfortune...NDSU's defense gave up 3 points and their offense outgained ISU by 100 yards), the Bison are unquestionably the Crimson Tide of this league. We are Kentucky on a bad day (see Saturday), and probably in the Vanderbilt range on a good day. We are especially competitive at home, but if we're outschemed, especially on the road, we don't have the talent to compensate, and things go down hill in a hurry. I don't think it matters much where Saturday's game was played.
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Post by bisonbacker on Oct 22, 2012 8:10:15 GMT -6
I watched the game online and listened to it on the radio. Not going to make any remarks about the game on either side other than to say the game was as a I thought it would be a one sided victory but had no prediction of the final score. What I will say however is this about your coach. I know he's new to USD as a coach and should and will be given time to recruit and develop players to play in his system. But his post game comments to the media? I'm sure our staff and players appreciate his comments but on the flip side your players must be shaking their heads saying "did he really just say that?" I understand the comments were made right after a stinging defeat that embarrassed him and the players but still to say some of the things he did would make me cringe if I played for him. Just my thoughts and I'm not slamming anyone just making an observation.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Oct 22, 2012 8:47:27 GMT -6
You have to build a program. You have to build culture. It takes time.
Any complaints about 9300 fans are ridiculous. Also, to say it was OVER half Bison fans is just not true. It was split 50/50 at best, if not slightly in USD's favor.
Success doesn't come in a day, it takes time. Learn some patience.
We need to continue to build our recruiting and we need to get better play calling. I am not convinced Wes OR Petrino are up to the challenge - but I also recognize that our OL is in disarray and our defense is VERY young.
At the end of the day, go back and look at the predictions for our first year in the MVC. EVERYBODY that wasn't a red blooded coyote wearing rose colored glasses said we were going to be rocked this year - they were right. This isn't the Great West. This conference is VERY deep.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Oct 22, 2012 8:51:34 GMT -6
Also, I think the AD should be commended for pushing the envelope and looking outside the box.
This game gave USD fans a chance to do some real tailgating. It also gave them a chance to see how real tailgating is done. NDSU's fans are amazing. We can all take a lesson.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Oct 22, 2012 8:53:19 GMT -6
Here is a line to chew on:
While the Bison gave up 17 points in a loss to Indiana State last week, the defense only gave up three of those points. Saturday was the sixth time this season that the Bison have allowed one score or less.
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Post by obc on Oct 22, 2012 8:54:46 GMT -6
I watched the game online and listened to it on the radio. Not going to make any remarks about the game on either side other than to say the game was as a I thought it would be a one sided victory but had no prediction of the final score. What I will say however is this about your coach. I know he's new to USD as a coach and should and will be given time to recruit and develop players to play in his system. But his post game comments to the media? I'm sure our staff and players appreciate his comments but on the flip side your players must be shaking their heads saying "did he really just say that?" I understand the comments were made right after a stinging defeat that embarrassed him and the players but still to say some of the things he did would make me cringe if I played for him. Just my thoughts and I'm not slamming anyone just making an observation. Did Joe say anything that was not accurate? Was not sure if there was a post game presser - the Argus Leader does not post links to them. Mick Gary the USD beat writer said he can't figure out how to do that. I am not joking either - he actually said that when asked.
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Post by redwhiteandyote on Oct 22, 2012 9:03:38 GMT -6
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Post by bisonbacker on Oct 22, 2012 9:09:18 GMT -6
I watched the game online and listened to it on the radio. Not going to make any remarks about the game on either side other than to say the game was as a I thought it would be a one sided victory but had no prediction of the final score. What I will say however is this about your coach. I know he's new to USD as a coach and should and will be given time to recruit and develop players to play in his system. But his post game comments to the media? I'm sure our staff and players appreciate his comments but on the flip side your players must be shaking their heads saying "did he really just say that?" I understand the comments were made right after a stinging defeat that embarrassed him and the players but still to say some of the things he did would make me cringe if I played for him. Just my thoughts and I'm not slamming anyone just making an observation. Did Joe say anything that was not accurate? Was not sure if there was a post game presser - the Argus Leader does not post links to them. Mick Gary the USD beat writer said he can't figure out how to do that. I am not joking either - he actually said that when asked. He made a comment that USD lost after the Bison stepped off the bus. That was probably the most insulting comment I saw towards his own players. I'm not saying he didn't say anything that wasn't true but man sometimes you just take your lumps and say "Congratulations" to the other team and leave it at that. Having respect for the opposing team is fine but have some for your own players as well.
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Post by obc on Oct 22, 2012 9:15:38 GMT -6
Did Joe say anything that was not accurate? Was not sure if there was a post game presser - the Argus Leader does not post links to them. Mick Gary the USD beat writer said he can't figure out how to do that. I am not joking either - he actually said that when asked. He made a comment that USD lost after the Bison stepped off the bus. That was probably the most insulting comment I saw towards his own players. I'm not saying he didn't say anything that wasn't true but man sometimes you just take your lumps and say "Congratulations" to the other team and leave it at that. Having respect for the opposing team is fine but have some for your own players as well. The team has been coddled enough.
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Post by obc on Oct 22, 2012 9:25:54 GMT -6
Even though Usd had an easier schedule last year and comparing records would be misleading, this year's team is not as good.
There have been significant roster changes since Glenn arrived and I anticipate quite a bit more this offseason.
Roster changes from 2011 Coyote FB of note, position, what class they would have been in 2012, and where they are from
Dametrius Turner DB - JR - chamberlain high Florida
Chris Frierson DB - JR - chamberlain high Florida - dismissed before fifth game
Alphonso Valdez DB - JR - chamberlain high Florida
Noah Pearl RB - SO - KC - Ed burned his redshirt year unfortunately for him - Ed remarked that Noah was very young minded.... - transferred to Arkansas State and sitting out this year
Judas Smith - DB - red FR - Las Vegas
Justin Wohlert - DB - red FR - Hartley IA
Kelan Richardson - LB - red FR - Lake City IA
Chase Irvin-Salazar - TE - SO - KC
Vladimir Gray - LB - red FR - Killeen TX
Nikorey Benyard - LB - red FR - Miami FL
Trayvis Peters - DL - red FR - Miami FL
Colton Kunde - OL - SO - Lake Forrest IL
Mike Pharis - DL - JR - Sioux Falls - Seems to have had injuries his entire time at USD - perhaps ended his career
All that plus 22 seniors last year (8 offensive starters and 6 defensive starters)
I would expect a similar underclassmen turnover as Glenn shakes them this coming off-season.
Hard to recruit going 1-10 but unless the current team picks it up, that will be what the staff has to do.
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