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Post by 88grad on Oct 22, 2012 9:45:36 GMT -6
A lot of comments and thoughts about Wesley and Jason bring up a question in my mind. Is our play calling a true reflection of the coordinator's abilities or that of the kids playing? Are the kids so young and inexperienced that what we're seeing on the field is really all that they can handle right now? The fact that we're still having false start issues points to that a bit. Discuss....
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Post by fullback5 on Oct 22, 2012 10:12:23 GMT -6
No need for a fire sale. Wes is a talented coach and will get this thing figured out. Trust me, he probably has not slept yet and is pouring over film and eagerly looking to make adjustments. As for the venue, it would have nice to have played in the dome, but I seriously doubt the outcome would have changed much. Lots of work to be done here, boys. We have been here before (2002/2003) and we have rebounded. Have a great Monday.
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Post by azsod73 on Oct 22, 2012 10:52:51 GMT -6
I appreciate all the posters (including the NDSU and SDSU people) for their analysis of the games, players, coaches, and fans. It's no small part of what keeps me connected and supportive of USD athletics.
Obviously many things need to change with the FB program. Joe Glenn needs to take charge, it is on his shoulders. (giving Beschorner the title 'Assoc. Head Coach' may have been well intended but probably a mistake in hindsight)
Recruiting players will be even harder after this year but the plus side is they can promise the really competitive kids that they will be able to play sooner(!).
FWIW, regarding fan attendance, NAU, Flagstaff, had their homecoming on Saturday (beat UC Davis 21-7) and drew 7,990 fans. Their dome seats 15,000 and was recently remodeled at a cost of $26 million. NAU, is a good team, 4-0 Big Sky (wins include beating UNLV, Montana and UND on the road), they have an on-campus student population of 17,700, and the population of the city is 65,000.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2012 11:44:25 GMT -6
No need for a fire sale. Wes is a talented coach and will get this thing figured out. Trust me, he probably has not slept yet and is pouring over film and eagerly looking to make adjustments. As for the venue, it would have nice to have played in the dome, but I seriously doubt the outcome would have changed much. Lots of work to be done here, boys. We have been here before (2002/2003) and we have rebounded. Have a great Monday. I would agree, and no doubt one of the most frustrated guys in all 50 states had to be Wes. Being held to 4 first downs for the game has to bother anyone alive. When SDSU goes to Fargo on Nov 10, I will be letting out a huge scream when the Jacks get their fifth first down. The way the Jacks played Saturday, it could get ugly in Fargo. This could be the year the Bison dominate everyone except Indiana State.
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Post by Charlie on Oct 22, 2012 11:46:38 GMT -6
The game on Saturday was a butt whooping in every sense of the word. 2 things I saw I just can't get past. First, USD players sitting on the side line hanging their heads in the first quarter. Now I know it wasn't everyone but come on. USD was only down 14. Yes NDSU is a great team but at that point in the game, you are one big play away from making it a one possession game. It was really hard for me as a fan to see that and still keep the enthusiasm going. Also, I would like to have seen USD take some chances on offense. What the worst that could have happened? NDSU stops you for a loss or forces a turnover? Oh wait, they were already doing that but USD just kept running the same plays over and over. At least if you take some chances, USD might have gained more than than running up the middle twice and then trowing a 3 yard pass on 3rd down.
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Post by cantguard3 on Oct 22, 2012 12:14:50 GMT -6
I hope you know the story behind why half those players are gone... It wasn't anything that they did wrong on the field, I can tell you that.
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Post by michiganmike on Oct 22, 2012 12:59:29 GMT -6
When did Wes become a talented coach? Was it last year when we blew the last three games because we couldn't score in the 4th quarter? Was it when we took a knee with 1:36 to go in the half against UND. How did our players become too young and inexperienced? How many freshman do we have starting on offense? one? Seven games is plenty of time to get experience and most of these players brought experience with them from last year. How many teams have 4 players on the pre-season all american watch? We did.
Look, I know Wes is a nice guy and holds all our records. He may be the greatest postition coach in the world but its pretty clear he does not excell at calling plays or game planning. You can blame the players, the coaches do..., but is that fair? How about a few coaches being forthcoming and saying 'we didn't get the kids prepared for this one" or I made some weak calls. If it hasn't happened by this point in the season I doubt we will ever hear that.
There' s history of a lot of great players that failed as coaches. Oh and BTW Cantguard is right. We've lost a lot of good players for the wrong reasons. No team starts a season by saying we'll be lucky if we win 2 or 3. They all believe they will go undefeated or at the very least be competitive.
When it begins to go bad like this, they begin to lose faith in their coaches. The coaches have to turn the players into believers. When we decided it kneel at the half with a minute in a half to go, the coaches might as well have told the offense "we have no confidence in you" Any halftime pep talks were lost by the coaches giving up with a minute and half to go.
At the same time that told the defense, your on your own. We can't get it done. Have we seen any change in the starters on offense or defense? Except for injury or dropped out of school no. This team continues to do the same things it did to start the year making no changes and no adjustments. Josh is a tough, hard nosed runner but he's a flat footed passer who cannot get accuracy or zip on the ball. Do you really think he is going to improve on that? Rather than use a traditional QB who can rally us with accurate throws, we use a runner who mostly runs in passing situations. At the very least couldn't we find a QB who can make accurate passes in passing situations. I doubt that anything will change the rest of the season and for those of us who think we need 3 or 4 years to get it right, I say then we have the wrong team in place. Its not like this team is coming off of 5 losing seasons in a row. The cupboards were not bare when the coaching change over was made. The previous staff was planning on competing with the kids that were already here and I'm sure not planning for this kind of a year.
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Post by redwhiteandyote on Oct 22, 2012 13:07:48 GMT -6
cantguard3, what are you referring to? Im confused
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Post by michiganmike on Oct 22, 2012 13:08:41 GMT -6
I'm agreeing with you on your comment on players that are gone
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 22, 2012 13:17:40 GMT -6
I have to agree with MichiganMike about his commments.
Also, anybody who thinks 1/2 of 9300 (4650 USD fans) is a great showing has to have their head examined. 10,196 vs WIU and 7,863 vs ISU in Vermillion. If it weren't for the fact the game was aginst NDSU this game would have been in a half empty, silent Howard Wood Field. Seems the Coyote players were about as enthusiastic as the fan base to play this game in Sioux Falls.
This experiment was a total failure on all levels. The support for the Coyotes from SF wasn't there. This showcase game turned into an @**whooping for those who did show up. I don't see how anybody can spin this positive.
This team is having a hard enough time this season. No reason to give away any advantages we may have had. I hope this grand experiment is a one and done deal.
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Post by cantguard3 on Oct 22, 2012 13:19:09 GMT -6
Sorry, there was an earlier post on players that had left. I'm new to this so I thought I was in reply to that.
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Post by sd4life on Oct 22, 2012 15:48:19 GMT -6
No need for a fire sale. Wes is a talented coach and will get this thing figured out. Trust me, he probably has not slept yet and is pouring over film and eagerly looking to make adjustments. As for the venue, it would have nice to have played in the dome, but I seriously doubt the outcome would have changed much. Lots of work to be done here, boys. We have been here before (2002/2003) and we have rebounded. Have a great Monday. So because he can't sleep makes him a good O-coordinator? I'm sorry, but Wes is a nice guy, but he is over his head. To me, it seems like he just guesses on plays. Oh let's try this. Maybe this play will work. He might be a good DII or D3 coach, but he needs to go. I do not see him being a coach anywhere but here.
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Post by sschneek on Oct 22, 2012 16:34:37 GMT -6
I agree ...he is in over his head....The 1st things that need to change for USD are the OC and The QB....both are out of their league.......JVM is not a college QB, that doesn't say he is not a college player....maybe in the secondary to help the defense....He doesn't know when to give up the ball...When you have a Powell and Sims in the offense you can never be the star...USD needs a QB who is looking to pass...because if we pass Powell will receive.....
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 22, 2012 17:31:05 GMT -6
With regards to the post by the old ball coach on page 2, I knew we had a lot of starters in their final year last year and that we had lost some players with the transition of coaching staffs, but I had no idea the numbers were that high. I know that the new staff is trying to change the culture of the program and have heard from various students, faculty etc that the change in culture is a welcome. We have to accept that the change in culture has resulted in a lot of turnover and that the cupboard is pretty bare right now. But on the bright side, all the turnover, should mean that we should have plenty of scholarships available for the the next couple of years recruiting classes. I think we have the right staff in place and by this time next year we will be looking a lot brighter and things will be moving in the right direction.
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Post by obc on Oct 22, 2012 18:59:10 GMT -6
I have to agree with MichiganMike about his commments. Also, anybody who thinks 1/2 of 9300 (4650 USD fans) is a great showing has to have their head examined. 10,196 vs WIU and 7,863 vs ISU in Vermillion. If it weren't for the fact the game was aginst NDSU this game would have been in a half empty, silent Howard Wood Field. Seems the Coyote players were about as enthusiastic as the fan base to play this game in Sioux Falls. This experiment was a total failure on all levels. The support for the Coyotes from SF wasn't there. This showcase game turned into an @**whooping for those who did show up. I don't see how anybody can spin this positive. This team is having a hard enough time this season. No reason to give away any advantages we may have had. I hope this grand experiment is a one and done deal. I don't say the game in SF was a success - but if anyone actually believes the home attendance numbers you posted - they also need their head examined. 5700 seats total in the main grandstand is the max it holds. Were there 4500 students in the bleachers on D-Days? The Illinois State game had numerous empty main grandstand seats open. Student turnout was not great that game - maybe 1000. I would estimate 7800 for D Days and 5600 for the Illinois St game.
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