uniftw
Freshman Member
Posts: 4
|
Post by uniftw on Oct 22, 2012 22:14:52 GMT -6
I appreciate all the posters (including the NDSU and SDSU people) for their analysis of the games, players, coaches, and fans. It's no small part of what keeps me connected and supportive of USD athletics. Obviously many things need to change with the FB program. Joe Glenn needs to take charge, it is on his shoulders. (giving Beschorner the title 'Assoc. Head Coach' may have been well intended but probably a mistake in hindsight) Recruiting players will be even harder after this year but the plus side is they can promise the really competitive kids that they will be able to play sooner(!). FWIW, regarding fan attendance, NAU, Flagstaff, had their homecoming on Saturday (beat UC Davis 21-7) and drew 7,990 fans. Their dome seats 15,000 and was recently remodeled at a cost of $26 million. NAU, is a good team, 4-0 Big Sky (wins include beating UNLV, Montana and UND on the road), they have an on-campus student population of 17,700, and the population of the city is 65,000. FWIW, the renovation to the dome in Flagstaff brought capacity down to about 8 or 9K..... Also, from every photo I've seen of the game unless a lot of USD fans were wearing yellow it was very heavy NDSU. Maybe it was just photos of the same section from different angles.
|
|
|
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 23, 2012 3:25:39 GMT -6
Did Joe say anything that was not accurate? Was not sure if there was a post game presser - the Argus Leader does not post links to them. Mick Gary the USD beat writer said he can't figure out how to do that. I am not joking either - he actually said that when asked. He made a comment that USD lost after the Bison stepped off the bus. That was probably the most insulting comment I saw towards his own players. I'm not saying he didn't say anything that wasn't true but man sometimes you just take your lumps and say "Congratulations" to the other team and leave it at that. Having respect for the opposing team is fine but have some for your own players as well. Most of them aren't his players. A lot of Ed's kids still there and the major lack of D-I talent that he recruited is really showing at this point. I remember how he and Wes talked up Vander maten so much and he is not good at all. Joe was right, USD was beaten once NDSU got off the bus because of the lack of D-I talent on the team. For every Tyler Starr that has been brought in or Will Powell, there have been 4 to 5 players that don't work out or can't hack it at this level.
|
|
|
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 23, 2012 3:29:10 GMT -6
No need for a fire sale. Wes is a talented coach and will get this thing figured out. Trust me, he probably has not slept yet and is pouring over film and eagerly looking to make adjustments. As for the venue, it would have nice to have played in the dome, but I seriously doubt the outcome would have changed much. Lots of work to be done here, boys. We have been here before (2002/2003) and we have rebounded. Have a great Monday. Honestly, Wes has had one decent year at best but he has not shown to be a talented coach yet. His offense is simple and his inability to find ways to get his best playmaker the ball is baffling. Right now. He is a well below average coordinator and recruiter from what he has shown so far. Yes, some of it has to do with a lack of talent, but even when some of the coordinators have had the talent, their schemes and Xs and Os are not up to par.
|
|
jackjd
Senior Member
Posts: 656
|
Post by jackjd on Oct 23, 2012 12:06:27 GMT -6
I DVR'd the game and watched it Sunday night. The camera panned both sides and I'd say it was about 50/50 USD/NDSU. As time goes on, the usual Bisonville suspects will claim NDSU had considerably more in the crowd.
No question NDSU is an excellent football team.
|
|
jimmer
Freshman Member
Posts: 23
|
Post by jimmer on Oct 23, 2012 16:39:40 GMT -6
People are panicking about this loss. In my opinion NDSU could play and beat some of the FBS' best schools.
Patience is key. Let Coach Glenn get his D-1 recruits in... But first we need a PASS first QB.
|
|
|
Post by jackl on Oct 23, 2012 18:17:51 GMT -6
People are panicking about this loss. In my opinion NDSU could play and beat some of the FBS' best schools. Patience is key. Let Coach Glenn get his D-1 recruits in... But first we need a PASS first QB. Come on ....lol
|
|
|
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 23, 2012 18:24:09 GMT -6
People are panicking about this loss. In my opinion NDSU could play and beat some of the FBS' best schools. Patience is key. Let Coach Glenn get his D-1 recruits in... But first we need a PASS first QB. NDSU lost to Indiana State...so I don't think they will be beating Kansas State anytime soon...
|
|
obc
Senior Member
Posts: 781
|
Post by obc on Oct 23, 2012 18:42:22 GMT -6
People are panicking about this loss. In my opinion NDSU could play and beat some of the FBS' best schools. Patience is key. Let Coach Glenn get his D-1 recruits in... But first we need a PASS first QB. NDSU lost to Indiana State...so I don't think they will be beating Kansas State anytime soon... Maybe not until next season when they play......
|
|
|
Post by sdyotefan on Oct 23, 2012 18:45:29 GMT -6
Obviously it is a very frustrating season for everyone especially the team and coaches. I agree with jimmer that NDSU could beat a lot of FBS teams and Nebraska is probably one. It is interesting to me that no one thought that Wes should go after the Minnesota win (he called a brilliant game) or after beating Eastern Washington last year. The Yotes are very young and playing in the toughest FCS conference in the country this year for sure. The play calling has to match the personnel available. We all agree the Yotes must play smarter and the play calling needs to be more varied ASAP. There will be better times!!! GO YOTES!!!
|
|
|
Post by coyote70 on Oct 23, 2012 19:30:57 GMT -6
Just for the sake of conversation jimmer I'm going to disagree with you that we need a "pass first" type QB. Maybe I just want to make a point, let's see if you agree or disagree. Nothing personal. Just consider another line of thinking.
To be honest, I too would like to recruit the pro-type of QB that has all the attributes coaches and fans covet: a winning attitude, size, strong and accurate arm, all-state recognition, etc. So do a host of schools in this region. Unfortunately, we do not have a competitive advantage for these kind of players, especially the strong/accurate arm type. If we want such a QB and his choices are NDSU, UNI, Minnesota, etc. I have a pretty good feeling he will not be a Coyote.
I say take a different approach. Instead of following the herd consider an offense where the QB doesn't have to be big and strong, possess outstanding passing credentials, have a big & quick offensive line, a minimum of three talented receivers, and a tight end and fullback who can pass block, act as receiver and run the ball on occasion. Rather, emphasize one thing: the run. Find a winning QB that can effectively execute a run-oriented offense. Period. I maintain these type of QBs are out there and will pretty much not be recruited by the above schools. One might say we'll need running backs. Believe me they will come if we have an offensive style that will showcase their skills. The same with smaller faster linemen and even receivers who know they'll likely be open when they are thrown to.
In short, I' 'm not so sure we're routinely going to be able to "out-recruit" or "out-develop" players vis-a-via our competitors. However, I do think we can recruit and develop players centered around the running game versus the passing game. Enough, in my opinion to challenge for the conference title every few years or at least give us a better chance of winning.
It's close to mid-week and none of us is looking forward to next week's game very much. Just wanted to stir things. Hopefully in a constructive, positive way rather than in a negative manner.
|
|
|
Post by jackl on Oct 23, 2012 20:47:02 GMT -6
Obviously it is a very frustrating season for everyone especially the team and coaches. I agree with jimmer that NDSU could beat a lot of FBS teams and Nebraska is probably one. It is interesting to me that no one thought that Wes should go after the Minnesota win (he called a brilliant game) or after beating Eastern Washington last year. The Yotes are very young and playing in the toughest FCS conference in the country this year for sure. The play calling has to match the personnel available. We all agree the Yotes must play smarter and the play calling needs to be more varied ASAP. There will be better times!!! GO YOTES!!! The Bison would not be a 85 scholarship Nebraska team. Good grief.
|
|
obc
Senior Member
Posts: 781
|
Post by obc on Oct 23, 2012 21:17:52 GMT -6
Obviously it is a very frustrating season for everyone especially the team and coaches. I agree with jimmer that NDSU could beat a lot of FBS teams and Nebraska is probably one. It is interesting to me that no one thought that Wes should go after the Minnesota win (he called a brilliant game) or after beating Eastern Washington last year. The Yotes are very young and playing in the toughest FCS conference in the country this year for sure. The play calling has to match the personnel available. We all agree the Yotes must play smarter and the play calling needs to be more varied ASAP. There will be better times!!! GO YOTES!!! The Bison would not be a 85 scholarship Nebraska team. Good grief. A pretty average 5-6 SDSU team gave an 85 scholarship Bug Eaters team everything they could handle two years ago. Pretty sure an 85 scholarship Michigan team fell to App State a few years back. An 85 scholarship Pittsburgh got destroyed by Youngstown State this year.
|
|
|
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 24, 2012 1:39:23 GMT -6
NDSU lost to Indiana State...so I don't think they will be beating Kansas State anytime soon... Maybe not until next season when they play...... That's good and all..but Bill Snyder will probably be retired and Collin Klein will be off to the NFL..so will they be a top-tier FBS team? NDSU is a VERY good team..but the loss to Indiana State would be like if Alabama lost to .... Tennessee maybe? Mississippi State is way too good of an example for Indiana State.
|
|
|
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 24, 2012 1:41:49 GMT -6
The Bison would not be a 85 scholarship Nebraska team. Good grief. A pretty average 5-6 SDSU team gave an 85 scholarship Bug Eaters team everything they could handle two years ago. Pretty sure an 85 scholarship Michigan team fell to App State a few years back. An 85 scholarship Pittsburgh got destroyed by Youngstown State this year. Haha, Pittsburgh is a horribly coached team with a lack of a recruiting base for the last 3-4 years. Come one. Nebraska...NDSU could beat them since Nebraska is so up and down, but Rex Burkhead would also easily be the best player they have seen all year.
|
|
|
Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 24, 2012 1:43:47 GMT -6
Obviously it is a very frustrating season for everyone especially the team and coaches. I agree with jimmer that NDSU could beat a lot of FBS teams and Nebraska is probably one. It is interesting to me that no one thought that Wes should go after the Minnesota win (he called a brilliant game) or after beating Eastern Washington last year. The Yotes are very young and playing in the toughest FCS conference in the country this year for sure. The play calling has to match the personnel available. We all agree the Yotes must play smarter and the play calling needs to be more varied ASAP. There will be better times!!! GO YOTES!!! I agree, Wes called a good game in both of those games, but how come those were the ONLY two games he called well that season? After the Minnesota game, the offensive calls were to play not to lose instead of play to win like the Minnesota game. A complete lack of aggression when USD had the lead. As for the EWU game, Wes saved his best for that game and it was a predictable, stagnant offense from there. The season is more than one game and this just proves the lack of consistency that he has shown.
|
|