NDS game

[michiganmike]

Trampled.....,not what I was expecting. Yes on paper we didnt match up but it was a rivalry game.... The kind you are supposed to throw records out the door. I thought the team played hard right to the end. Outmanned..., probably. outschemed? Definitely. The offensive scheme continues to look pedestrian, even parochial. Jvm is more a power runner than a shifty runner and hes getting killed. Powell Doesnt get enough touches and the same for Sims. We seem completely unable to outmanuever or outfox our opponents. The passing scheme is based on quick hits but patterns seem to always covered or too short to get first downs. The punt formation is archaic..., just about everybody uses 3 deep blockers today. We dont so if it isnt blocked its rushed. The defense played hard but spent enough time on the field for3 games. We contained the outside running game but continue to get killed up the middle. The base 4-3 simply doesnt fit our personnel. Starr, Tavera, Marlette and Gorro made big plays but every one was followed by NDS exploiting deep patterns to the outside or quick runs inside. If the offense doesnt find a way to stop relying on JVM for 80% of its plays and the defense doesnt figure out how to stop giving up big pass plays then turnng this around is going to be very difficult if not impossible. Another tough game next week. I hope we can add some clever new wrinkles on both sides before then.

[coyote61]

A rivalry only exists when one team actually beats the other team every once in a while. USD vs. NDSU is not a rvalry. I wish Sayler would have waited a couple years to have this game in SF. This team needed the friendly confines of the Dome. Not that it would have mattered much. In the end I think this game did us more harm than good. And by that I mean recruiting the Sioux Falls and SD kids. These D 1 kids are flying the coop when it comes to D 1 athletics. I don't want them going to Brookings, but at least they would not be leaving the state. We will feel the ramifications of the this beat down for a long time. One more thing, our special teams coordinator needs to be let go. Cole Z used to be a weapon, not anymore. With proper coaching Cole should be able to make it to the NFL.

[obc]

Pretty predictable outcome for the game. The most disappointing thing watching the game was that USD continues to make mistakes that make it even harder for them to compete. Another Punt block, more penalties, dropping balls, fumble....

NDSU is a championship caliber team. They have very good DL and LB + a shut down corner.

USD's offense did not give their defense any help the entire night. The biggest problem is the OL. They have been overmatched in every game except Colgate. The loss of four starters on the OL from last year was a concern for reason. Add to the fact that they are good for at least two false start penalties a game and the outcome is not good.

The special teams headed by Tim Triplett is embarrassing. Four blocked punts so far - this should be unacceptable. On top of that our very good punter is not performing well (IMO because he knows how soft the protection is and he is worried about the defensive player that will soon be diving at his legs untouched.) Add to that the 135 yards of punt return yardage that NDSU racked up - once again a failure of the coach to have the players in their lanes ready to make a play.

The poor special teams play and the lack of offensive first downs (four for the game by USD) gave the NDSU the ball frequently in Coyote territory. If you do that against bad teams you will lose. Against NDSU you are lucky if they don't score 80 on you.

The defense looked like they were going to buckle down and make NDSU pass. NDSU was happy to oblige and consistently protected their QB giving the receivers time to get open.

Glenn is trying to play a physical style of offense with a team that is not physical. If you don't have the OL to get push you cannot run against other physical teams.

The other thing missing this year is some real top-end speed on offense. We are missing Jeremy Blount in a big way. He stretched the defense and made room for our underneath passing game. Perhaps that wouldn't help either though because I am skeptical the OL could pass protect for a true 5 step drop deep route. (My belief is that is why JVM is the QB - the coaches have to know that if they did not have a mobile QB he would be soon hospitalized.)

Huge embarrassment in the SF market in front of a bunch of people that never go to games in Vermillion and will certainly never go. The USD fb team missed an opportunity to show some guts and effort and at least put up a fight for 60 minutes. Instead of showing some progress - they got to see the same old story - USD losing and losing big to NDSU.

[azsod73]

obc
You summed it up very well, and welcome to the board.

[bisoninnwmn]

Give Coach Glenn a few years to get his players. It looks like he wants to be a power-type offense with play-action pass off of that.

He'll recruit better athletes on the Oline and Dline. This is where it starts.

I would love to have that #11. Your DC should line him up all over the box and let him go. He is good, USD just needs more players like him.

[ilovefootball]

I think that we we can give Coach Glenn a few more years . . . . but it is definitely time for Wesley to go. He may have been a great player for USD, but he is definitely not D1, Off.Coor or Head Coach material.

What a demoralizing loss for the players last night. I'm not sure what is worse . . . losing to Missouri State with a field goal as time ran out after being ahead by 14 points with 5 minutes left or losing 54-0 to NDSU, racking up a total of 76 yds?

[obc]

Oct 21, 2012 13:20:35 GMT -6 ilovefootball said:

I think that we we can give Coach Glenn a few more years . . . . but it is definitely time for Wesley to go. He may have been a great player for USD, but he is definitely not D1, Off.Coor or Head Coach material.

What a demoralizing loss for the players last night. I'm not sure what is worse . . . losing to Missouri State with a field goal as time ran out after being ahead by 14 points with 5 minutes left or losing 54-0 to NDSU, racking up a total of 76 yds?

Both were unacceptable - MSU was a loss to a team equal to USD in talent - blowing a lead and three decent quarters of play.

NDSU is a championship team that embarrassed our program in a market that is important to grow fans.

MSU felt worse, but NDSU was more embarrassing.

[Cousin Eddie]

9300 fans was nice to see.

[yoteforever]

Oct 21, 2012 13:20:35 GMT -6 ilovefootball said:

I think that we we can give Coach Glenn a few more years . . . . but it is definitely time for Wesley to go. He may have been a great player for USD, but he is definitely not D1, Off.Coor or Head Coach material.

What a demoralizing loss for the players last night. I'm not sure what is worse . . . losing to Missouri State with a field goal as time ran out after being ahead by 14 points with 5 minutes left or losing 54-0 to NDSU, racking up a total of 76 yds?

I posted last week and some people took exception to the post, but I believe last night proved two things. The first is we simply don't have the talent on either side of the ball to compete or win. Are we too young? Maybe that's an excuse, I don't know. If so, then we will compete accordingly the next couple of years. If that's not it, and we continue this experiment, we are at minimum 5-7 years out from competing. It will take another 2-3 years for this staff to show if they are capable, and if they don't, we then clean the slate, hire a new staff, and give them 3 years to compete.

We have so much at stake here, we can ill afford to make the wrong decision. They are trying to raise money for the new arena and renovated Dome, yet I doubt many would disagree with me that will be hard to accomplish IF we can't compete. Even the most due hard fans will be questioning what the hell is going on.

The thing that really troubles me is I see this different than MichiganMike. He says in a post that we played hard the whole game. I respect your opinion MM, but I disagree. This game should have been a lot closer. How many times did we have them in 3rd and forever, and they got the first down every f'ing time. Kids that are pumped up don't let this crap happen. They are wayyyyyyyyyy to used to this happening so in my mind they accept it. It is unacceptable. As a player, if you have any pride whatsoever, this doesn't happen. Part of it is coaching, yes. But what I see (or don't see) is leadership. Sometimes you just have to will yourself and your team to find a way. That isn't happening. I just don't see leadership.

[wrj]

As a Jackrabbit fan I am an outsider here. I know the game outcome was negative. What about the whole concept of playing the game in Sioux Falls? Should the Coyotes do it again? Did it really net USD enough money to give up a home game? Or, did it gain something other than money that made it worth playing in Sioux Falls?

[obc]

I don't know if effort was not there or not. I think it was. What I think is missing is the attitude. Something small and most likely insignificant to most watching was the simple act of the USD players taking the field following the Harley. Did you notice that about 3/4 of the team rushed out and gathered at the 50 yard line by the sideline while about 1/4 (several starters btw) trotted out lackadaisically like they were walking to class. Take the field like you own it and with some passion. And most importantly get your ass with the team collectively.

Four more games left for the team to come together and find the right attitude. For some of the players it may be their last four games ever. I hope they take advantage of it.

[jackl]

Oct 21, 2012 16:00:39 GMT -6 Cousin Eddie said:

9300 fans was nice to see.

Really? Even when over half of them were Bison fans?

[tjbison]

Oct 21, 2012 16:41:33 GMT -6 yoteforever said:

Oct 21, 2012 13:20:35 GMT -6 ilovefootball said:

I think that we we can give Coach Glenn a few more years . . . . but it is definitely time for Wesley to go. He may have been a great player for USD, but he is definitely not D1, Off.Coor or Head Coach material.

What a demoralizing loss for the players last night. I'm not sure what is worse . . . losing to Missouri State with a field goal as time ran out after being ahead by 14 points with 5 minutes left or losing 54-0 to NDSU, racking up a total of 76 yds?

I posted last week and some people took exception to the post, but I believe last night proved two things. The first is we simply don't have the talent on either side of the ball to compete or win. Are we too young? Maybe that's an excuse, I don't know. If so, then we will compete accordingly the next couple of years. If that's not it, and we continue this experiment, we are at minimum 5-7 years out from competing. It will take another 2-3 years for this staff to show if they are capable, and if they don't, we then clean the slate, hire a new staff, and give them 3 years to compete.

We have so much at stake here, we can ill afford to make the wrong decision. They are trying to raise money for the new arena and renovated Dome, yet I doubt many would disagree with me that will be hard to accomplish IF we can't compete. Even the most due hard fans will be questioning what the hell is going on.

The thing that really troubles me is I see this different than MichiganMike. He says in a post that we played hard the whole game. I respect your opinion MM, but I disagree. This game should have been a lot closer. How many times did we have them in 3rd and forever, and they got the first down every f'ing time. Kids that are pumped up don't let this crap happen. They are wayyyyyyyyyy to used to this happening so in my mind they accept it. It is unacceptable. As a player, if you have any pride whatsoever, this doesn't happen. Part of it is coaching, yes. But what I see (or don't see) is leadership. Sometimes you just have to will yourself and your team to find a way. That isn't happening. I just don't see leadership.

We are young also, 2 Seniors that start, 1 of them Bobby Ollman because Colton Heagle and Brian Shepard are injured, and our starting Center is the other Senior

[michiganmike]

This game has really brought out the angst in all of us because we care. I want us to compete with the big boys. I have mentioned before that as a former college player and coach that I spend a lot of time trying to understand our strategies as well as our opponents. Yote4r you are spot on in your observations. I don't disagree with you that some players could have played harder. But the fact is that rarely do you see college kids not playing hard. There is not a kid on this team that doesn't want to win.

I am convinced that this team has enough talent to win. Not every game but certainly somewhere between 5 and 7. To do that the coaches have to put them into winning situations. Here is what I saw Saturday. We opened with 2 three and outs against an eight man line that blitzed every play from the strong side. At one point they threw a 3 man blitz that we didn't pick up. We tried to run Sims up the middle against that. Thats suicide. NDS pursued hard and we apparently don't know how to run counters to offset that. We were already in panic mode by the 3rd series. Someone tell me what was our offensive game strategy.? I couldn't figure it out. The object of football is to find your opponents weakness and then exploit it. We don't throw outs, posts, flags, come backs or back shoulder throws. Almost evey slant or pass into the middle is at the linebacker point of attack or in front of it. That's like running for 4 yards except it puts the LB in agreat position to attack. If the line is weak and for sure its not strong, you find ways to compensate. More passes with backs in as blockers. BTW we dont' flood zone coverage making it hard on the opponents DBs. We mostly zone block which keeps the defensive line running along our O line making it easy to penetrate. We have destroyed Z as a punter because he has to hurry every kick. Bad scheme puts our opponents in good field postion at least 50% of the time.

Now on defense we mostly run a cover 2 with 4 down LM and 3 LBs. Without stunts the D line is vulnerable to middle runs... sound familiar? Thats why Marlette has so many tackles. That parts good. Here's where its killing us. We run with 2 safeties splitting the field in half on zone coverage. Football field is is 53.5 yards. That is a huge area for two safeties to cover. That leaves the corners either in zone or man to man. That also leaves the middle of the field open. Whose responsibility is that? The middle LB. He has to back up real fast because he has middle deep responsibility. You need an Urlacher which we dont' have. We might have that in Starr but not with Marlette. Thats way too much pressure for him and the safeties and thus we see all the over the top tosses down the sideline as far from the safeties as possible. I was blown away by how hard the defense played. On two different blitzes I wached Tavera (2) shoot in while the play went the other way and he chased it all the way around from the backside just missing being in on the tackle. Marlette and Starr motors never stopped. Gorro was all over the field making to stops for lost yardage. So in my opinion, its not the players, its the schemes. The offense needs some real quick over hauling with a better plan of attack. The defense has to either move away from the cover two or move a Dback into MLB during passing situations to close up that hole. That middle hole is setting up all the other passes

[obc]

Oct 21, 2012 17:58:31 GMT -6 wrj said:

As a Jackrabbit fan I am an outsider here. I know the game outcome was negative. What about the whole concept of playing the game in Sioux Falls? Should the Coyotes do it again? Did it really net USD enough money to give up a home game? Or, did it gain something other than money that made it worth playing in Sioux Falls?

Obviously getting blown out by a higher profile program that plucks some of the best FCS talent in the area is not good.
USD has unique challenges to SDSU, and IMO waned to take a chance by seeing if they could reconnect with disconnected alumni in the SF area. SDSU has had a more connected alumni group for years and has had more students for years. On top of that they did a good job reaching out and connecting with even more alumni. Throw in the success in FB, MBB and WBB they have earned some rightful buzz and attention. USD needs to have some success on the field and basketball court as job one. People will jump on a winning wagon. The crowd was made up of a significant number of people that do not go to Vermillion for games. Will coming to see the Coyotes get destroyed make them come back? Probably not it was pretty embarrassing. The interesting thing though is four of my coworkers that came and tailgated actually told me they are much more likely to come to some games in Vermillion more for the festivities than the football really. They also told me that unlike me they would leave at halftime if the game sucked. Not sure what the rest of the crowd's take will be.