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Post by GoYotes on Nov 18, 2012 15:01:10 GMT -6
Sometimes you need to take a step backwards so you can go forward down the right path. Not that we didn't have some quality players, but overall the cupboard was pretty bare when Joe took over. And to make matters worse he had to throw out some of what he found in the cupboard. You cannot turn around a program in one year. You need to change the culture by getting enough of the right student athletes in program.
I also think too much criticism has been directed at Wes. It is hard to call a good game when don't have the horses to execute consistently execute the plays. For example first play against the bunnies Will is wide open & I mean wide open for a TD & JVM overthrows him. A couple of plays later, JVM fumbles, it is returned for a TD & instead of a 7- 7 tie we are down 14-0.
I know it is tough but I think we need to be patient & give Joe & staff time to get things turned around. D
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 18, 2012 15:12:28 GMT -6
The problem with Wes isn't just this year but based on a trend of not having good offensive teams under his guidance. The longer we have gone from Hofner and Caruso the more inept the offense has gotten. Why is it that when in D2 we have seemed to be able to have good OC's but since D1 we haven't.
Instead of just whining here is my recommendation. We keep Joe Glenn for at least one more year. We fire the OC and go completely outside the program for a replacement. We fire the special teams coach and also go outside the program for a replacement. We keep Petrino as I think the defense has been put in bad situations all year. If we had better special teams and a better offense I think the defense would have been capable this year.
I am sorry but 1-10 deserves some changes. If not Glenn than in other areas. If we do the above listed things I think we have a legit chance to be quite a bit better next year.
We can argue about Wes all day but the facts remain that he was given the OC position without really having done anything to deserve the OC postition at the D1 level. Whatever the reason he has now shown a trend of not being able to get the offense going. That is not a snap decision but one that needs to be made. Somehow throughout this fundraising campaigne we need to find the money for an OC.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 18, 2012 15:45:03 GMT -6
Listen close CoyoteFan if you are capable. Once again you come to this board beating your chest for accountability of the program. When just one year ago now, you led this DUMP ED campaign on this board because YOU WERE FED UP. Then AD Sayler hires what I would call a safe pick, you lauded him for that pick, and now here we are after one season wanting another coach. But more importantly, the great COYOTEFAN wants accountability. In fact, you demand it. Or what? You will withdraw your personal and financial support? You don't give squat, so that arguments a waste. By your own admission, you weren't at the UNI or SDSU game as your way to protest. Protest what? Protest what you asked for last year? You certainly fill the bill as the kind of supporter I want in my corner if I was the AD (rolling my eyes). Holy crap man, Coach Glenn barely has moved into his house, and you want his hide. My God, please refrain from beating your chest until you fulfill the following: 1.) Full time member of the Howling Pack 2.) Season ticket holder 3.) Giver to capital campaigns 4.) Attend at least 1-2 road games per year Once you have done the above, then you can DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY. We are still paying for what you wanted last year. Yoteforever brings up a very good point Coyote Fan. You wanted Ed out pretty bad and after getting Glenn in, you were very happy with that hire. Now after a year, you are first in line to fire him and you question him with what he was able to do with a roster that was left to him that was lucky to win one game this year. The person you want to hire, Kalen DeBour, has experience head coaching on the NAIA level is all. He is the OC at Southern Illinois that had the 8th best total offense in a 10-team league. The 8th best run offense and 7th best passing offense. I would need to see a lot more out of DeBour before he took the reigns at USD. I would rather see the coach from Henderson State or the defensive coordinator at Central Arkansas or the coach from NW Missouri State way before DeBour, but I want to see Glenn get another year to get his recruits in and see what he can do with another year.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 18, 2012 16:48:29 GMT -6
1-10 speaks for itself.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 18, 2012 16:58:17 GMT -6
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Records don't always tell the whole story. I know a 1-10 team that had a different season than USD completely that had to play with its 4th string QB because of injuries...but I guess everyone on that team was awful and the coaching staff needs to go, right? Glenn was left with a roster that lacked in many key injuries. As I said before, 1-10 is what I thought the team would finish with when the season started, maybe 2-8, because of the roster. Also, if 1-10 does speak for itself, what does one of the worst offenses in the MVFC mean for your top head coaching candidate that you bring up? Guess you skirted around that one and read what you wanted to read....
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 18, 2012 17:29:55 GMT -6
I won't deny that DeBoer has struggled with the offense a bit this year. He did have very good success as head coach. I am not simply saying it's DeBoer or bust though.
It's really this simple. I am tired of not being able to watch a team that I feel is a true contender and gets the entire fan based totally stoked. You can spin it anyway you want to spin it but USD continues to fall further and further behind the pace that the State-U's set when they were at this point in their transition. If I am being unfair comparing USD to those schools I would certainly like to know why because our very own athletic director considers them peer institutions. I don't know maybe that doesn't apply when comparing successes on the field of play. I certainly think it does.
Generally speaking the lesser this kind of a season gets rationized and excused the better the chances are of improvement to happen. The more this gets written off to one exuse of another the less likely the chances are for improvement. If all the coaches remain than as a fanbase can we really expect things to get alot better. Lets also remember this Coyote team is not even competitive for the most part with the top teams in the conference. So it's not like we are close here, we are way off from competing for a conference title. It's gonna take more than just a slight upgrade in talent or recruiting. It's going to take philosophy changes as well.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 18, 2012 18:10:48 GMT -6
The philosophy change takes more than a year and that came with a new head coach. Gotta get his recruits in first. That's the way sports works. If the players are there, yes, a quick change can be made. Just look at A&M. They have had the players, just not the coach.
But look at Tennessee, they have a lack of players and a coach and they did a full staff change last year before canning Dooley this year.
Every situation is different. Glenn has to be able to get his guys in before we even know what offense he is going to run. How do we know he wants a QB that can run around or a QB that can throw deep? Because he played JVM? Or is that just because JVM is all he has?
Takes more than one year to change a philosophy, no doubt about that.
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Post by chuck on Nov 18, 2012 21:14:44 GMT -6
I hope the Jacks run up the score here in the last moment. They won't and the knee is taken inside the 10. I guess this is what sparked my "hoping for disaster" comment...not sure why you would want the Jacks to run up the score, but to me it came across as a "rooting for it to get worse so change can be made for the better" sentiment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2012 23:23:09 GMT -6
I dont see Joe Glenn going anywhere except to his new home on the bluffs of the Big Muddy. There is no way that Abbott or Sayler are going to give him his walking papers after all the effort it took to get him to come out of retirement. If Glenn goes 1-10 for the next three years, then maybe a change would be made. As a Jack fan, Joe Glenn will do much better next season in terms of wins.
Look south to NWMSU, Platte native Mel Tjeersma started out 1-10 and SDSU pulled a squeaker over NWMSU. The next season, SDSU went to Maryvile and got wiped real good and the rest is history. I expect to see the same with Joe. Both these guys know their coaching and the game of football.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2012 23:24:36 GMT -6
Btw, Kalen DeBoer might be available. On SIU fan board, there were several fans calling for his head. Really disappointed with his offense at SIU.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 18, 2012 23:35:57 GMT -6
Wonder if Augie would give him a look. Maybe they can bury the hachet on the USF stuff and hire a quality coach. If he proves himself at Augie, the D-2 experience looks better than failed D-I coordinator and NAIA coach.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 18, 2012 23:37:57 GMT -6
I would still take DeBoer as OC over what we have here.
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Post by dklemme on Nov 18, 2012 23:37:57 GMT -6
I did not get to Verm this season to see the Yotes play. But with them playing up now I did get to see a few on TV. Out manned vs Nw, that's a given for me. But what stood out to me in the UNI game is that JVM looked scared in the pocket. Never really set up. 3rd or 5th step planted and then he took off. The staff that I'm on went down to visit the coaches during spring ball, we were very impressed with them all. We saw that in a few positions there could be some struggling, but we saw a 3-5 win team there. Being an alumni as well and even if my football career there was a whole one season back in the 90s, they need to sit down and regroup. Analyze film, make cuts if needed, get better at their duties and get the team going in ready for spring ball. Find those guys who can play and who's working hard to make sure a season like this doesn't happen again.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 19, 2012 8:46:01 GMT -6
Sad that NDSU brought more fans last year to CAS than USD brought today. That attendance record would have fallen if USD alumni had done their part. 15,278 is a rather disappointing turnout but understandable factoring in the lack of success USD has had this year, the $40 ticket price, and the lethargic fan base overall. The team needs to step up and so do the alumni. Hold on here, let's not get confused. The $40 ticket price is the EXACT reason I didn't go to this game. Why should I pay $120 for 3 tickets to the rival school so my family could stand around the field the entire game? I'm not going to get gouged like that and certainly not going to give a single penny to SDSU. Instead I'd rather watch the game from home and take that $120 and give it to the Howling Pack. Lord knows the athletic dept needs the money.
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Post by Charlie on Nov 19, 2012 8:54:42 GMT -6
Hold on here, let's not get confused. The $40 ticket price is the EXACT reason I didn't go to this game. Why should I pay $120 for 3 tickets to the rival school so my family could stand around the field the entire game? I'm not going to get gouged like that and certainly not going to give a single penny to SDSU. Instead I'd rather watch the game from home and take that $120 and give it to the Howling Pack. Lord knows the athletic dept needs the money. BINGO. I watched the game at Bufflo Wild Wings with my spouse and child and it still didn't cost us $40 to eat a meal and see the game.
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