wylie
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Post by wylie on Nov 18, 2014 21:33:03 GMT -6
I clearly think the game is a rivalry between the fans. However, I'm not so sure how the players on each team view this game. First of all, not that many of the players on either team are from South Dakota and played against each other in high school. The schools seem to recruit from different areas and not that many were recruited by both schools. Finally, many of the players probably never attended a SDSU vs. USD game prior to playing in one.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Nov 19, 2014 8:40:41 GMT -6
Im not buying that USD is not a rival of SDSU. They are the only 2 schools in SD at this level of athletics. It is just a saying state fans use to try and degrade the U since the transition. Any true State or U fan knows that the other school is their biggest rival. If they say otherwise they either are not a true fan or started following either school during the transition. Like sandakotastate, I accept that there's a rivalry between USD and SDSU but the biggest rivalry right now for SDSU is NDSU. Just my opinion. So in coyotecrazie5's opinion I'm not a true fan or I only started following SDSU during transition. coyotecrazie is wrong. Isn't the discussion about rivalries a little dumb at this point? SDSU dearly wants to win this game. I assume USD does too. That's all we need for a reason to show up and yell for the team you want to win. In football, I can somewhat see why NDSU would be a bigger rival for the short term since they have been the best team and USD has been lacking. I don’t see SDSU fans getting amped up as much for NDSU compared to USD in any other sport. If you don’t think that SDSU fans get up more for USD games rather than NDSU, year in and year out, then you are delusional. How about you guys just move up to North Dakota and then you can have a true in-state rivalry. |
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Post by olifer on Nov 19, 2014 8:51:16 GMT -6
Hi All:
I had something come up and won't be able to attend Saturday's game in Brookings. I have two tickets available to anyone on here who can use them.... no charge. If you would like them, send me a message and I'll make arrangements to get them to you. I hate to see them go to waste.
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Post by nccyote on Nov 19, 2014 9:32:54 GMT -6
After experiencing the last 3 State-U games in the NCC, and playing in the final 2, I can tell you at that time there was no bigger game for either team. Since SDSU made the transition, I can see how the rivalry has dwindled. You "hate" the team that you play most often and with the most on the line. In my last 2 years, UND took over that role. NDSU obviously has taken that role for the Jacks. As soon as the stakes raise a little between these two teams, when the U wins a few, the rivalry will definitely be renewed between both sides. Its hard to say as a former player, but we are just another team right now to SDSU. None of the players on either side have any connection to the good ole days of the rivalry unless they experienced it through family members or something. Cant't be mad at State right now if the game doesn't mean as much to them. It is still the most important game for us though, this staff has made that abundantly clear from the moment Joe got here.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Nov 19, 2014 9:51:55 GMT -6
Good post nccyote. I think that I am around your same age, and I understand your point.
I guess what I’m trying to get at is if we are one of the oldest rivalries in the country, how do you overlook that no matter each teams records?
Would an Ohio State fan say that Michigan State is a bigger rival than Michigan because they haven’t been as good in recent years? I very highly doubt that. I can’t wait until we are back and put a 5 year winning streak on the bunnies in football. I know it won’t matter to me, I will always despair them more than any other team. Maybe that’s because I’m loyal. Maybe JackJD doesn’t hate the yotes, because after all he had to get his real degree down south.
But why would I understand a SDST fans logic? After all, they went to the cow college up nort.
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Post by nccyote on Nov 19, 2014 11:17:08 GMT -6
Good post nccyote. I think that I am around your same age, and I understand your point. I guess what I’m trying to get at is if we are one of the oldest rivalries in the country, how do you overlook that no matter each teams records? Would an Ohio State fan say that Michigan State is a bigger rival than Michigan because they haven’t been as good in recent years? I very highly doubt that. I can’t wait until we are back and put a 5 year winning streak on the bunnies in football. I know it won’t matter to me, I will always despair them more than any other team. Maybe that’s because I’m loyal. Maybe JackJD doesn’t hate the yotes, because after all he had to get his real degree down south. But why would I understand a SDST fans logic? After all, they went to the cow college up nort. Ohio State and Michigan never took a long break either. It will get back to way things used to be, but it will take some more time and definitely some coyote wins. No better time to start than NOW! |
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Post by nccyote on Nov 19, 2014 14:10:18 GMT -6
One good thing to see is that the Yotes are starting to recruit some of the top talent down here in Nebraska again. NDSU/SDSU had been getting most of the top talent down here the last 3-4 years. USD has really started to stake some claims down here as well. Whitcomb and Strong from O North are immediate impact guys IMO. We did lose Marquise Lewis, a talented WR/DB from O North to State, but rumor is he was attracted to their engineering program, which the U does not offer as a major. It was hard to be down here and see State coming in and scooping up all of these good players that end up being major contributors for them. Hopefully the tides have turned in Nebraska as far as recruiting goes for SD.
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jackjd
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Post by jackjd on Nov 19, 2014 14:10:32 GMT -6
coyotecrazie5 wrote:
“In football, I can somewhat see why NDSU would be a bigger rival for the short term since they have been the best team and USD has been lacking. I don’t see SDSU fans getting amped up as much for NDSU compared to USD in any other sport. If you don’t think that SDSU fans get up more for USD games rather than NDSU, year in and year out, then you are delusional. How about you guys just move up to North Dakota and then you can have a true in-state rivalry.”
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“...I guess what I’m trying to get at is if we are one of the oldest rivalries in the country, how do you overlook that no matter each teams records?
Would an Ohio State fan say that Michigan State is a bigger rival than Michigan because they haven’t been as good in recent years? I very highly doubt that. I can’t wait until we are back and put a 5 year winning streak on the bunnies in football. I know it won’t matter to me, I will always despair them more than any other team. Maybe that’s because I’m loyal. Maybe JackJD doesn’t hate the yotes, because after all he had to get his real degree down south.
But why would I understand a SDST fans logic? After all, they went to the cow college up north.”
My view: Years ago, the athletic relationship between SDSU and USD was very intense and, at the same time, a lot of fun. I was graduated from SDSU in 1976 and from the South Dakota School of Law in 1979. The State/U games were a blast. The teasing was loud but generally good natured. If there was "hatred", it was nothing more than a thin covering over pretty good relationships with people you knew growing up. I cheered for the 'Yotes at every home game in the three years I was in Vermillion, including USD's 1978 NCC Championship football team and while I would have preferred the Jacks to have the better team, we didn't. I'm a sports fan and appreciated top-notch football. In those days, that was possible.
I thought the relationship turned ugly in the few years leading up to SDSU and NDSU leaving Division II. When SDSU left Division II, the ugliness seemed to peak. The years SDSU was in DI before USD moved up was, in my opinion, a good cooling off period. I think it was healthy that some went through their undergraduate years without attending a State/U game.
Things have changed and I doubt (and hope) they never return to the way it was in the last few years of both schools being in the NCC. Now the focus for SDSU and I assume USD, in the attention-grabbing sports of football and basketball, is to beat as many teams as one can in an effort to reach the post-season and try to see how far one can go on the national stage. (How many times have fan message boards debated this very subject in the form of: What's better, NCAA tourney berth or deep run in the WNIT?) Just beating USD or SDSU isn't the huge deal that perhaps it once was. There will always be circumstances when the game itself is a big deal: e.g. State fans are very aware of what a USD win would do this weekend. No doubt fans will get really wound up before games but I contend the times have changed and the schools are changing with the times. Some fans need to get on board for the betterment of their school.
Now, coyotecrazie5, you state that you don't see SDSU fans getting amped up for NDSU "in any other sport". Then you haven't been to an NDSU v SDSU basketball game. [Or cross country meet and many other sports.] Perhaps you just focus on football -- nothing wrong with that but it doesn't mean you know how SDSU fans approach other sports.
Compare another old rivalry: There's no question that the NDSU v SDSU rivalry isn't like the one that had existed between NDSU and UND. But that's fine with me ... I prefer to have nothing to do with that hate-fest. Even in its darkest days, the USD and SDSU relationship was never that poisoned.
In your second post quoted above, you write "Maybe JackJD doesn’t hate the yotes, because after all he had to get his real degree down south.
But why would I understand a SDST fans logic? After all, they went to the cow college up north.” I know you won't get it but the attitude expressed in your words are precisely why many Jacks fans want little to do with some Yotes fans. It just isn't worth one's time to try to explain a few facts to someone who continually takes pot shots like those you've written. I have very useful degrees, one of those at USD and one at SDSU. You know nothing about that. You should realize that attending a graduate program does not, for most people, cause an attachment to a school like attending a university for one's undergraduate degree. I've read many posts on this message board in which fans are worried about the level of monetary support the USD programs are receiving (or not receiving). Where is the support of the law, medicine and MBA grads? What do you think would be the case if the state-supported law school was located at the School of Mines in Rapid City or Northern State in Aberdeen? And who has the time (other than, apparently, coyotecrazie5 and a few others like him including, I suspect, a few SDSU fans) to actually waste in hatred over a school? [Let's be clear on this: I had a very good experience at USD and Vermillion and have a valuable degree from the School of Law.]
What a waste of an afternoon break to grab a cup of coffee!
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Post by yote14 on Nov 19, 2014 14:21:40 GMT -6
Im not buying that USD is not a rival of SDSU. They are the only 2 schools in SD at this level of athletics. It is just a saying state fans use to try and degrade the U since the transition. Any true State or U fan knows that the other school is their biggest rival. If they say otherwise they either are not a true fan or started following either school during the transition. I agree 100%. Its a statement they use to degrade U fans. If State does not look at it as a rivalry game then why is this football game and the 2 basketball games against USD the ones with the highest attendence for the year? 2012 Football Game Vs. USD 15,278 Vs. NDSU 14,966 I get they have had the upper hand the last 3 years while we have tried to fight out of the transition but NDSU looks at SDSU the same way as SDSU looks at USD. how many times has SDSU beat NDSU in football since they transitioned? Once that I can remember. Maybe twice. It surely hasent happened as of late and most of the football games between those two have not even been close. So if SDSU thinks USD is not their rival after 100 years of being one of the biggest rivalries in DII because they have had the upper hand the last 3 years then why does SDSU think they are NDSU's rival? NDSU has owned them in everything (as they have owned everyone to be fair)NDSU does not look at them as competition. I would love for someone to shed some light on what makes USD not their rival anymore and if thats true why that game draws the most attendence? |
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Post by yote14 on Nov 19, 2014 14:24:15 GMT -6
Basketball games in Brookings
2013/2014
Vs. USD 5,509
Vs. NDSU 4,859
2012/2013
Vs. USD 6,130
Vs. NDSU 6,063
2011/2012
Vs. USD 6,216
Vs. NDSU 3,303
Not once has there been more fans at a game in Brookings VS. NDSU than against USD.
These are hard numbers to hide behind for people who try to say USD is no longer a rival.
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Post by nccyote on Nov 19, 2014 14:34:27 GMT -6
... And who has the time (other than, apparently, coyotecrazie5 and a few others like him including, I suspect, a few SDSU fans) to actually waste in hatred over a school? [Let's be clear on this: I had a very good experience at USD and Vermillion and have a valuable degree from the School of Law.] What a waste of an afternoon break to grab a cup of coffee! Isn't that part of the fun of message boards? To take harmless "pot shots" at each other, especially rivals? Maybe that's another reason that the rivalry has dwindled...because nobody can take a joke anymore. Granted...things did get pretty distasteful towards the end of the NCC days, "Beat State, Not your Wife" t-shirts come to mind. But who doesn't like to see a jackrabbit or coyote slide across the basketball court, huh? My advice, relax, throw some harmless jabs, and enjoy the ride! One of my favorites..."I'm sweating like a jackrabbit trying to read!". Now we all know that SDSU students most likely can read, some of them very well. Just a guy trying to have fun with an old rival. BEAT STATE!!! |
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Nov 19, 2014 14:38:10 GMT -6
JackJd, sometimes I wear my heart on my sleeve too much. With the entitled State fans acting like Bison fans, I admit that I go overboard at times. I apologize that I singled you out. You have been a classy poster. Now if I could just stop myself on the bunny board...
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jackjd
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Post by jackjd on Nov 19, 2014 14:57:24 GMT -6
...If State does not look at it as a rivalry game then why is this football game and the 2 basketball games against USD the ones with the highest attendence for the year? 2012 Football Game Vs. USD 15,278 Vs. NDSU 14,966 I get they have had the upper hand the last 3 years while we have tried to fight out of the transition but NDSU looks at SDSU the same way as SDSU looks at USD. how many times has SDSU beat NDSU in football since they transitioned? Once that I can remember. Maybe twice. It surely hasent happened as of late and most of the football games between those two have not even been close. So if SDSU thinks USD is not their rival after 100 years of being one of the biggest rivalries in DII because they have had the upper hand the last 3 years then why does SDSU think they are NDSU's rival? NDSU has owned them in everything (as they have owned everyone to be fair)NDSU does not look at them as competition. I would love for someone to shed some light on what makes USD not their rival anymore and if thats true why that game draws the most attendence? Trying not to argue but just want to point out the following factual matters: Since leaving Division II, SDSU has beaten NDSU in football four times and NDSU has beaten SDSU eight times including one playoff game. The last win over NDSU football was 2009. One of SDSU's wins prevented NDSU from having an undefeated season. With respect to attendance at games, there's no question that more USD fans show up in Frost Arena for basketball than NDSU fans. Another side of that fact is the crowds for NDSU games in Frost contain a greater percentage of SDSU fans. Now compare those crowd stats with that point in mind: the overall NDSU game crowds may be smaller than the overall USD game crowds but more SDSU fans show for the NDSU games. My take on that: more interest of SDSU fans in the NDSU basketball games in recent years. I think the football attendance record at Coughlin is an NDSU game (the previous record was the USD game in 1985). There's no dispute with me that the USD v SDSU games generate a lot of interest and, as I have written before, there's no question in my mind there's a rivalry factor. My opinion is it isn't like it used to be and for the present, SDSU fans have hold more interest for the NDSU games. It seems this discussion isn't quite an argument: Some are disputing the perceived claim that SDSU does not consider USD a rival. It think the more accurate statement is the rivalry between USD and SDSU is diminished and right now -- this is just my opinion -- more SDSU fans would rather beat NDSU and consider NDSU a bigger rival.] |
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Post by yotefan on Nov 19, 2014 15:04:39 GMT -6
Just for the record, I think a lot of USD fans would have rather beaten NDSU this year than SDSU too. =)
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jackjd
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Post by jackjd on Nov 19, 2014 15:18:55 GMT -6
Just for the record, I think a lot of USD fans would have rather beaten NDSU this year than SDSU too. =) I have to believe that's true. |
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