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Post by yodayote on Dec 10, 2015 19:14:41 GMT -6
I hope Mick Garry didn't jump the gun and screw things up.
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Post by obc on Dec 10, 2015 19:21:31 GMT -6
I hope Mick Garry didn't jump the gun and screw things up. In Mick's defense, he never said Nielson was hired - he said don't be surprised if he is the next coach. Think he iOS doing his job reporting that if he knew USD had offered him the job. Good work Mick |
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Post by yodayote on Dec 10, 2015 19:33:00 GMT -6
I hope Mick Garry didn't jump the gun and screw things up. In Mick's defense, he never said Nielson was hired - he said don't be surprised if he is the next coach. Think he iOS doing his job reporting that if he knew USD had offered him the job. Good work Mick I think you left out the important part of his tweet. "According to multiple sources" If this turns out to be false....Mick will look like a fool, with sources that have no credibility. |
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Dec 10, 2015 19:33:34 GMT -6
I hope Mick Garry didn't jump the gun and screw things up. He wasn't the only one to report multiple sources. |
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Post by obc on Dec 10, 2015 19:36:58 GMT -6
In Mick's defense, he never said Nielson was hired - he said don't be surprised if he is the next coach. Think he iOS doing his job reporting that if he knew USD had offered him the job. Good work Mick I think you left out the important part of his tweet. "According to multiple sources" And reporting that is his job and what I would want him to do |
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Post by yodayote on Dec 10, 2015 19:39:00 GMT -6
I hope Mick Garry didn't jump the gun and screw things up. He wasn't the only one to report multiple sources. He was the first to tweet it and then everyone else quickly followed him. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 10, 2015 20:37:40 GMT -6
The Western Illinois board has more info on this as well. So far Nielsen is denying the rumor that he is leaving to his players. I have a feeling he is going to try to sweeten the pot to see what Western will do to keep him. That would make total sense to me. Maybe he will end up coming to USD but to me it doesn't make sense for his career right now to make a move like this.
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Post by sd4life on Dec 10, 2015 21:02:17 GMT -6
I hope the rumor is true. i would be very happy with it. I am worried the longer this takes, the harder it will be for him to leave. I'm sure there are plenty of players/coaches/friends trying to talk him into staying. Hope it works out. I think it would be a great hire.
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Post by nccyote on Dec 10, 2015 21:07:02 GMT -6
So how many of us think this whole thing might be a leverage play by Neilson to get WIU to ante up for the football program? I hope all of the budget rumors at WIU are true, because I don't see a school that is commited to their football program letting a coach of his caliber get away and go to a school in the same conference.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 10, 2015 21:07:39 GMT -6
For a couple of hours I was coming to terms with Nielsen being the coach and was quietly ok with it. Thinking about positives and negatives of the hiring. Now that the information is out that it is not yet a done deal I am kind of hoping that it falls through and Deboer is hired instead. What ever happens hopefully fate will step in allowing the best coach to be the one that eventually ends up with the job whoever that person should end up being. Maybe the best man is Nielsen, maybe it is not.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 10, 2015 22:06:01 GMT -6
If we find that Nielson's motive here is to force WIU into upping his salary and we have to hire someone else I'll come away disappointed. We'd be going from a homerun hire and near guaranteed successful candidate to someone who does not have head coaching experience at this level. A significantly greater risk. Apparently the backup plan here is DeBoer and he does not seem to be nearly the same level of candidate that Nielson is. DeBoer's experience at the FCS level is overseeing an offense at SIU that started scoring a lot more points once he left.
CF, for all your love of cherry picking team stats in your deriding of Nielson why have you not pointed out the numbers for DeBoer's offenses at SIU and EMU? They are some unimpressive numbers. He had a dominating run at USF, but that was all the way down in NAIA and he had also inherited an already highly successful program. Not sure that any of this translates to success at USD. I honestly had hoped more names would have materialized and we would have more candidates to discuss here. Sure hope Herbster has more than Wes and DeBoer on his list if Nielson falls through.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 10, 2015 22:49:53 GMT -6
If we find that Nielson's motive here is to force WIU into upping his salary and we have to hire someone else I'll come away disappointed. We'd be going from a homerun hire and near guaranteed successful candidate to someone who does not have head coaching experience at this level. A significantly greater risk. Apparently the backup plan here is DeBoer and he does not seem to be nearly the same level of candidate that Nielson is. DeBoer's experience at the FCS level is overseeing an offense at SIU that started scoring a lot more points once he left. CF, for all your love of cherry picking team stats in your deriding of Nielson why have you not pointed out the numbers for DeBoer's offenses at SIU and EMU? They are some unimpressive numbers. He had a dominating run at USF, but that was all the way down in NAIA and he had also inherited an already highly successful program. Not sure that any of this translates to success at USD. I honestly had hoped more names would have materialized and we would have more candidates to discuss here. Sure hope Herbster has more than Wes and DeBoer on his list if Nielson falls through. If you read my past comments you will know that I did basically mention that he did not have as much success in his coordinator experience than he did as head coach. I made it clear that I value his head coaching experience more than I do his coordinator or position coach experience because we would be hiring him for a head coach. There aren't many people that can match his accomplishments as a head coach and his winning percentage. If you look at the head coaching poll Nielsen is the majority choice but alot of people also chose Deboer. People tend to bring up what Nielsen did at Western Illinois but IMO he was solid but not spectacular. He had a losing record in the Valley during his tenure there. He had them on the upswing no doubt but his body of work at Western was average. If you want to make the case for Nielsen what he did at Minnesota-Duluth was much more impressive than what he did at Western. So to me his work at the D1 level wasn't as good as his work at a lower level just like was the case with Deboer. Cherry picking is what you make it to be but I was pointing out a very valid argument that Nielsen did not have a good defense at Western and the stats prove it. So many people want a coach with a good defense and a coach that likes to run and maybe not so much pass. People have said multiple times on here that you have to run in the Valley and you have to have a good defense. I am pointing out that he doesn't really do either very well. I don't think being a run first team is a necessity but having a not so good defense will not bode well in this conference in the long run. I have no problem if people want to make a case for one coach over another but I tend to back up my arguments with facts. Many people don't want to take the time to do the research to do the same. I have never said I was against Nielsen, I just pointed out some of his weaknesses so people would know what they were getting for a downside to the hire. I didn't have him in my first tier but do still consider him a solid candidate. Don't confuse my stats as hating on him. I am just bringing up the reality. I like to be the Devils advocate. If Nielson backs out or doesn't take the offer we will get a coach just as good or better so people shouldn't sweat it. I prefer a little more youth this time around. I like the age of Deboer and Caruso right now. Both in their early 40's and may have a little more upside than Nielsen and I want to have upside in the next coach. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Dec 11, 2015 1:02:22 GMT -6
That would make me smile. |
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Post by Yotes on Dec 11, 2015 7:27:39 GMT -6
The word that I'm seeing is Nielson has no intention of accepting our offer. Now left to wonder why he even bothered applying.
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Post by golfingyote on Dec 11, 2015 7:33:33 GMT -6
I think we need to wait to cast judgement until we see the end result. Obviously he has high interest to get to where we are in the process. Also, you know he was asked about what it would take to get him away from WIU during the interview process. With that being said, he would not be the first person/coach to be offered a position and have a change of heart after thinking/talking things over.
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