wiley
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Post by wiley on Dec 11, 2015 11:03:35 GMT -6
I suspect the money rumor is being twisted. What we don't have to offer is a multi year contract. I suspect the wage is otherwise fair but they want more money to compensate for a lack of a guaranteed term. Eddie nailed it. Fact is he doesn't like the year-to-year contract. Money isn't the issue. This is something the legislature needs to address if we want to attract top candidates. Still not sure how this is going to play out. |
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Post by nccyote on Dec 11, 2015 11:07:35 GMT -6
Maybe Neilson leaked the offer to Mick so he could use it as bargaining chips...a conspiracy in the making(dun, dun, dun....(think perry mason or matlock type theme music)). Could there have been a 2nd shooter on the grassy nole. Better check the Zapruder film and see if Neilson was there in Dallas on that fateful November day. I kid, I kid....its Friday It's not like WIU is flush with cash right now. If you are taking that gamble you better know that they have the cash to pay you more. Otherwise you look like a guy that is looking to jump ship when the first offer with more cash comes along. That is not really appealing to recruits or the fan base. Just to clarify, I was only kidding about the whole conspiracy theory stuff. Its Friday and I'm ready for the weekend. Good point about the perception of this whole thing and how it will affect Neilson...either way this goes down you wouldn't think that WIU would be very confident that Neilson will be around more than another year. If he does turn down the USD offer, does that make another program hesitate to pull the trigger on him in the years to come? This could also be a big negative in terms of recruiting for WIU regardless of if he chooses to stay or go. If he comes to the U, he could poach some of the WIU commits and not having a HC during the peak recruiting time in January is a killer. If he stays at WIU, other teams can use the "Yeah, but he was thinking of leaving this year so you know he'll be gone soon" pitch against them. As for the annual contract thing, maybe USD could use that as a positive in luring him here. No buyout if you leave for another school, not tied to the University if another opportunity presents itself. I know its a major stretch, but some people might see the annual contract as an advantage. |
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Post by imacoyote on Dec 11, 2015 11:13:21 GMT -6
Bob Nielson would be a solid hire, one of the few that I would've put on the short list of the names mentioned but he is the only name of the 3 that I wouldn't know much about personally (as far as personality goes). His past results speak for themselves and the fact that he took WIU from a dumpster fire the previous 2 seasons and rebuilt them back to a playoff team shows he can do it at this level.
My only issue was the age, but if you can get a good 6-7 years from him to get this program headed in the right direction then it's easily worth it.
Question for people more in the know on this, what is the reasoning behind only allowing 1 year renewable contracts to coaches? Are there any other states that do things this way?
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Post by Yotes on Dec 11, 2015 11:45:55 GMT -6
Bob Nielson would be a solid hire, one of the few that I would've put on the short list of the names mentioned but he is the only name of the 3 that I wouldn't know much about personally (as far as personality goes). His past results speak for themselves and the fact that he took WIU from a dumpster fire the previous 2 seasons and rebuilt them back to a playoff team shows he can do it at this level. My only issue was the age, but if you can get a good 6-7 years from him to get this program headed in the right direction then it's easily worth it. Question for people more in the know on this, what is the reasoning behind only allowing 1 year renewable contracts to coaches? Are there any other states that do things this way? The 1 year contract applies to all employees of the state of South Dakota, not just the coaches at the universities, and I've never heard of any other state operating this way. I don't know that I would point to this 1 year contract stipulation as the deal breaker between Nielson and USD, but it certainly does not help anything. |
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Post by Yotes on Dec 11, 2015 12:17:46 GMT -6
Stopped by the WIU board and read their thread on this topic: www.leathernecknation.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=747First impression is I did not realize just how bad of shape their budget is in. It is bad enough to the point that multiple people expressed concern over the campus closing in the future. Does not sound like a university in any position to even continue to pay their coaches what they are now let alone give raises. The general consensus is that Nielson awaits WIU's counter offer. Lots of people referring to him as their former coach, which I suppose will likely be true in the near future even if he doesn't take the USD job. A number of people are unimpressed with Nielson and aren't broken up over the thought of him leaving but I can't blame them if it is under these circumstances. I don't know what to think of all the information given. I wish this fiasco would just clear up already. |
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Post by nccyote on Dec 11, 2015 12:25:38 GMT -6
After reading through the WIU board that Yotes posted, they mentioned that he might be interested in the SIU job as well. I never thought about his angle before, but he could be awaiting offers from other programs as well as WIU's counter-offer
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Post by sd4life on Dec 11, 2015 13:02:50 GMT -6
Just my opinion, but if he ends up staying at WIU, this whole situation may hurt him if he indeed does want SIU. SIU may believe that he will just try to get more money out of WIU just like he did with us. I have nothing wrong with him changing his mind. He needs to decide so both programs can move in some sort of direction.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 21:16:04 GMT -6
Maybe Neilson leaked the offer to Mick so he could use it as bargaining chips...a conspiracy in the making(dun, dun, dun....(think perry mason or matlock type theme music)). Could there have been a 2nd shooter on the grassy nole. Better check the Zapruder film and see if Neilson was there in Dallas on that fateful November day. I kid, I kid....its Friday It's not like WIU is flush with cash right now. If you are taking that gamble you better know that they have the cash to pay you more. Otherwise you look like a guy that is looking to jump ship when the first offer with more cash comes along. That is not really appealing to recruits or the fan base. If he was in Dallas during November of 1963, he would have been with his parents and would have been only 4 years old. He was born in 1959. |
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Post by nccyote on Dec 11, 2015 21:59:25 GMT -6
It's not like WIU is flush with cash right now. If you are taking that gamble you better know that they have the cash to pay you more. Otherwise you look like a guy that is looking to jump ship when the first offer with more cash comes along. That is not really appealing to recruits or the fan base. If he was in Dallas during November of 1963, he would have been with his parents and would have been only 4 years old. He was born in 1959. Sarcasm, Buddy...sarcasm |
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Post by sd4life on Dec 11, 2015 22:09:46 GMT -6
Has anybody heard anything? I was down in the dungeons of the dome today and it just didn't seem like we had a new coach. Nobody said anything, just a feeling I got.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 11, 2015 23:35:29 GMT -6
Has anybody heard anything? I was down in the dungeons of the dome today and it just didn't seem like we had a new coach. Nobody said anything, just a feeling I got. No internal connections here, but I certainly saw nothing out in the social media realm today. It would be my guess that Nielson is taking the weekend to consider our offer/wait for WIU's counter offer, then move from there. |
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Post by WIU on Dec 12, 2015 10:23:24 GMT -6
I'm actually hoping you guys get Nielson, WIU has the worst special teams. Offenses is predictable, they can't seem to manage the clock, but some how with dumb luck managed to win 5 games in the conference. They don't make the playoffs if SDST wins, SDST was delayed by 14 hours to get to Peoria, then delayed on highway by almost 2 hours because of a accident before game. Luck was in the air!
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Post by obc on Dec 12, 2015 12:49:20 GMT -6
As excited as I am for the announcement regarding the next HC - the real deciding factor if it will be "a great hire" will be determined by If that coach can bring in a great staff of assistants. IMO coach Glenn was/is a great HC - with the right staff of assistants he could have produced better results. Regardless of who USD hires at HC, the assistants will make or break the program. I would think any coach interviewing will look not only at his financial package, but also at what is available for the staff. Stepping up the HC's package from $145k to $200k each year is one thing. Will USD have the money to step up and pay the going rate for a top FCS level OC, DC, and position coaches? That will be quite the financial annual investment. Hope the donations and resources are there to do it. I believe what was stated earlier that USD cannot afford not to make the financial investment, but the University cannot spend money and make financial obligations with money that is not yet there. Is the money available to make this investment in addition to the facilities expenses and FCA commitments?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 12, 2015 13:27:19 GMT -6
As excited as I am for the announcement regarding the next HC - the real deciding factor if it will be "a great hire" will be determined by If that coach can bring in a great staff of assistants. IMO coach Glenn was/is a great HC - with the right staff of assistants he could have produced better results. Regardless of who USD hires at HC, the assistants will make or break the program. I would think any coach interviewing will look not only at his financial package, but also at what is available for the staff. Stepping up the HC's package from $145k to $200k each year is one thing. Will USD have the money to step up and pay the going rate for a top FCS level OC, DC, and position coaches? That will be quite the financial annual investment. Hope the donations and resources are there to do it. I believe what was stated earlier that USD cannot afford not to make the financial investment, but the University cannot spend money and make financial obligations with money that is not yet there. Is the money available to make this investment in addition to the facilities expenses and FCA commitments? That is absolutely correct. The success or failure of this tenure could be decided right off the bat with the quality of the assistants that come with the coach. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Dec 12, 2015 13:39:06 GMT -6
A.J. Blazek who is the OL coach and Running Game Coordinator (not sure if this means OC or not) is tweeting this morning like he personally isn't going anywhere. Don't know about Nielsen but indications are that Blazek wouldn't be coming with him if Nielsen did end up coming to Vermillion. Don't know if that is such great news for the Nielsen bandwagon. On a side note another interesting name for a possible OC to come with Nielsen would be Ted Schlafke who was a hell of a quarterback with Minnesota-Duluth when they won the National Title in 2008. He shredded up the Coyotes a bit when they played against him. It looks like he has much to do with the passing offense that Western Illinois has.
I sure hope at this point that Herbster has a nice list of secondary candidates because he may need it.
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