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Post by nccyote on Nov 23, 2015 11:47:36 GMT -6
Just watched the live stream of the press-conference. No matter the wins and losses, we will never find a better ambassador of Coyote Football than Joe Glenn. Hopefully we can find his equal, but nobody will ever be a truer Coyote than Coach Glenn. He didn't win as many football games as he, or we, would have liked, but he definitely left coyote football better than he found it.
Here's to Coach Glenn and to the future of Coyote Football
Go Yotes!
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Post by yote14 on Nov 23, 2015 11:56:48 GMT -6
Paul Rhodes??? Seriously. He sucked at Iowa State What scares me about Paul Rhodes is his success came early from someone else's recruits. tells me he may not be able to recruit which is something you cannot have in the Valley.
It may be a product of not being able to out recruit his competition in the Big 12 and Big 10. He will have similar competition and challenges in the Valley with where USD has been as of late.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 23, 2015 12:18:01 GMT -6
Joe put in his endorsement for Wes at his retirement press conference. Herbster when asked what we are looking for simply stated the same qualities exhibited by Joe Glenn. I hope we find that in our next head coach.
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Post by yote14 on Nov 23, 2015 12:30:47 GMT -6
the head coaching position not my biggest worry. I'm confident we will find a quality HC to lead this program. Can we open the checkbook and give the new HC the ability put together a well paid, high quality staff though? The HC is the face of the program, but the staff is what determines a great program from a not so great program. We need to have competitive assistant salaries so that we can get and keep quality assistants around. we need to be paying a Coordinator $100K+, assistants need to be in the $85k range. That should be doable for a team in the MVFC, right? Put me in the camp that is more than confident that we will be paying our HC greater than $225K. Start a poll if you want, the O/U on HC salary will be over or under $225K. I say it will be over. In addition, I believe that we will open the checkbook for the salaries of the ACs. The new student funds were tagged from the get-go to address staff pay. My understanding is that the plan was already to fund and pay a competitive salary to a COMPLETE football staff by next season. This will force the issue. I know Herbie will be a sound steward to the University's money, but he also knows that we can be successful and that this is his time to put a stamp on the program. Funding will not be an excuse this time, in my opinion. Here is the thing with Salem, if I were him, I probably wouldn't come back. I would parlay my success as an AC into an FBS OC job, but maybe there is a chance that he wants to be a HC again, and do it at the highest level of FCS - in doing so, he would also be close to his parents. Family will be the pull, IF it is going to happen, not money per se. The stars would need to be aligned for him to want to come "down" to FCS, I think. I would agree with over 225k.
I picture a big part of Joe accepting 145k and a lot of the same staff that was already here staying on and not hiring a full staff was to stockpile cash for this move. When Joe was hired 4 years ago the rumor was he was only sticking around for 4 years and the more this unfolds it seems like this may be another smart play by the AD and admin in a well laid out plan that started 4 or 5 years ago.
We will see in the coming weeks if this is true but I guarantee a year ago no one in the state would have said USD was going to be a leader in offering FCOA. If so it's another reason to be thankful Joe sat on the grenade for us and did a heck of a job in doing so.
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Post by nccyote on Nov 23, 2015 13:19:56 GMT -6
the head coaching position not my biggest worry. I'm confident we will find a quality HC to lead this program. Can we open the checkbook and give the new HC the ability put together a well paid, high quality staff though? The HC is the face of the program, but the staff is what determines a great program from a not so great program. We need to have competitive assistant salaries so that we can get and keep quality assistants around. we need to be paying a Coordinator $100K+, assistants need to be in the $85k range. That should be doable for a team in the MVFC, right? Put me in the camp that is more than confident that we will be paying our HC greater than $225K. Start a poll if you want, the O/U on HC salary will be over or under $225K. I say it will be over.
In addition, I believe that we will open the checkbook for the salaries of the ACs. The new student funds were tagged from the get-go to address staff pay. My understanding is that the plan was already to fund and pay a competitive salary to a COMPLETE football staff by next season. This will force the issue. I know Herbie will be a sound steward to the University's money, but he also knows that we can be successful and that this is his time to put a stamp on the program. Funding will not be an excuse this time, in my opinion. Here is the thing with Salem, if I were him, I probably wouldn't come back. I would parlay my success as an AC into an FBS OC job, but maybe there is a chance that he wants to be a HC again, and do it at the highest level of FCS - in doing so, he would also be close to his parents. Family will be the pull, IF it is going to happen, not money per se. The stars would need to be aligned for him to want to come "down" to FCS, I think. I'll take the under, but I see it being $200K+, maybe maxing out around $215K but not quite $225K IMO. If we can pay around $215K for a Head coach, around $750-$800k for a staff, and FCOA, financially, I think that gives us a pretty good chance to put together a great staff. I have no idea if that is feasible or not, just dropping ideas. |
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Post by fightsd on Nov 23, 2015 13:21:18 GMT -6
It should be noted within this thread that Joe opted to take a lesser salary when he came here so he could pay his assistants enough to get them here.
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Post by ctc2010 on Nov 23, 2015 13:56:18 GMT -6
Just watched the live stream of the press-conference. No matter the wins and losses, we will never find a better ambassador of Coyote Football than Joe Glenn. Hopefully we can find his equal, but nobody will ever be a truer Coyote than Coach Glenn. He didn't win as many football games as he, or we, would have liked, but he definitely left coyote football better than he found it. Here's to Coach Glenn and to the future of Coyote Football Go Yotes! Where was it streamed at? |
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Post by nccyote on Nov 23, 2015 13:58:25 GMT -6
Just watched the live stream of the press-conference. No matter the wins and losses, we will never find a better ambassador of Coyote Football than Joe Glenn. Hopefully we can find his equal, but nobody will ever be a truer Coyote than Coach Glenn. He didn't win as many football games as he, or we, would have liked, but he definitely left coyote football better than he found it. Here's to Coach Glenn and to the future of Coyote Football Go Yotes! Where was it streamed at? I saw it on ksfy.com |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 14:48:54 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind seeing an offense that isn't so focused on the run. I wouldn't mind a coach with some athletes on the field and to spread out that offense a bit. It would be nice to play to the advantage of the dome and throw it around some. I think a back like Frederick would be perfect for a scheme like that. I think after SDSU switches to field turf that everyone in the conference will be off of grass. There are two other domes aside from the Dakota Dome so it's a good conference to open it up a bit. That isn't to say that we shouldn't be able to run because in the playoffs in the cold weather having a good O line and being able to run it are important. Caruso would be a good coach for an explosive offense. USF is also very powerful on offense so Stugart would probably bring a good scheme with him as well. These are for sure going to be exciting times. You're not going to find the athletes in the area to run this offense. It's one of the reasons why NDSU has been so successful. |
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Post by usdguy99 on Nov 23, 2015 15:11:25 GMT -6
Rob Ash, Montana State HC and Drake HC before that, was released today. He's an Iowa guy that did pretty darn good job at a non-scholarship school and did a decent job at Montana State but had a losing record against Montana.
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Post by obc on Nov 23, 2015 15:14:17 GMT -6
Rob Ash, Montana State HC and Drake HC before that, was released today. He's an Iowa guy that did pretty darn good job at a non-scholarship school and did a decent job at Montana State but had a losing record against Montana. Solid coach, but two items about him tell me he isn't the guy. He is extremely offensive focused. Some friends I have that played for him felt that defense was looked at as less of a priority and his team developed a division between the two units beyond healthy competition. I also question if USD will go with a 64 year old coach this time around. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 23, 2015 16:22:41 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind seeing an offense that isn't so focused on the run. I wouldn't mind a coach with some athletes on the field and to spread out that offense a bit. It would be nice to play to the advantage of the dome and throw it around some. I think a back like Frederick would be perfect for a scheme like that. I think after SDSU switches to field turf that everyone in the conference will be off of grass. There are two other domes aside from the Dakota Dome so it's a good conference to open it up a bit. That isn't to say that we shouldn't be able to run because in the playoffs in the cold weather having a good O line and being able to run it are important. Caruso would be a good coach for an explosive offense. USF is also very powerful on offense so Stugart would probably bring a good scheme with him as well. These are for sure going to be exciting times. You're not going to find the athletes in the area to run this offense. It's one of the reasons why NDSU has been so successful. I posted about this earlier. For sustained success in he MVFC you have to play tough defense and you have to be able to pound the ball with power football. You do those two things and add in a few playmakers and you are well on your way. I'd like to see an old throwback type of coach who will play power football. Think of Jim Harbaugh, Mark Dantonio, or Kirk Ferentz. All midwest based coaches who run power football and have been very successful. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 23, 2015 20:04:36 GMT -6
Everyone is entitled to an opinion on the choice of who will lead the Coyotes the next few years, and that's fine. But for some, who have led the charge to get rid of Joe Glenn and staff, and EdMeoerkort and staff, the recommendations and names and logic for them is unbelievable. My belief is that there is more to simply winning and losing games. The charecter of the coach and his players matter. That's exactly why Ed was let go 4 years ago. No question. I said at the time it would hurt us, it did, but Joe Glenn did put us on the upswing this year despite others feelings thats not true. I beleive it to be true. If zed was fired for his antics and charecte4 years ago, I ghen have no issue with that. I was unaware of it at the time. But if he was fired based on his teams wins and losses, then David Sayler needed his head examined. But I do think it was a charecter issue, so I can live with the firing. But it still set us back. A few days ago a question was asked by someone about whether or not we were willing to have trouble makers on the team in the interest of winning games. A certain poster basically said he was willing to let that happen "to a point". What's that point? Then I recommended a name of a Power 5 coach that was let go yesterday and a couple of posters didn't ike it because he was either a bad guy ( which in my opinion he isn't even close to being a bad guy ) or he was fired. You don't want to hire a fired coach. What??? Circumstances are very different at every school. Some people are fits, some aren't. That's what this hire has to be about. I have to assume every candidate has football knowledge, but they are looking for a match. For someone critical of Joe Glenn, then to drop names of NAIA coaches, or a short term D2 coach is inconsistent. I've heard the phrase " we better do a national search or I'm going to be highly disappointed " several times. Stugart, Riggs, and DeBoer are the names being dropped. Really? A national search, and all three of these come from a school less than 60 miles from Vermillion? Then someone said Salem or Huipel,but that recommendation was quickly criticized. It was shot down without merit. When going back and reviewing the facts, Salem did an honorable job of building Augustana. Even though I don't know Josh Hueipel I would think on merits alone his name would shoot towards the top off he list. Knows the JuCo scene. Runner up Heosman. Offensive coordinator at Oklahia and Utah State. Connections would indicate he could put together a staff. And his crews open a shitload of doors recruiting. The point in all this is if you are going to lead the charge in a movement, at least be consistent. Ed recruited "not good people" players. But you're willing to accept a certain criminal element in order to win? Have a national search, but the only recomendations are coaches from Sioux Falls, or Sioux Falls connections. Blast Joe Glenn for several weeks then post a thank you note to him? Talk about opening up the checkbook and having the money to do this right, yet not buy season tickets? Put down others recommendations yet historically say keep an open mind? Regarding Stugart or DeBoer, I don't know either one. On the surface they appear to be solid guys. But I dont know the backgrounds. In looking at CF's post of Stugarts record at USF, I'm a little surprised he would recommend him. I'm not critical, just surprised. One year he is 10-1, then 6-5. Then 9-2, then 6-5. Overall that's not a bad record, I agree,but IF you want to be a contender every year, as you have posted, that historic record of his is not consistent with your philosophy. Speculation on the next coach will be rampant. I will support whatever decision they make. And when they name one, I won't judge them negatively, but rather embrace them and welcome them to the Coyote family. Good luck and best wishes to Herbster and Williams as they go through the process. They will make the right decision. Keep in mind that although it's admirable to puff out our chest and say we want to win the league, or be top contenders every year in The Valley, there are 9 other teams with more resources that want the same. At the end of the day, Joe Glenn did exactly what he was hired to do. Give his alma mater 4 years of his best, and get us into position to contend. He can retire knowing he did just that. Thank you Joe. I thought you were extending an olive branch but by that post it certainly doesn't seem that way. I make my opinions and you make your opinions and that is fine. The difference between you and I is that you are always taking shots at me but yet I don't take shots at you. Why don't you re-evaluate that olive branch that you extended because I question whether you really meant it. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 23, 2015 20:17:14 GMT -6
It should be noted within this thread that Joe opted to take a lesser salary when he came here so he could pay his assistants enough to get them here. If that is true than why the heck did he have the assistants that he did. Doesn't make sense to me. There was not one assistant on staff that is worthy of big assistant money. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 23, 2015 20:18:45 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind seeing an offense that isn't so focused on the run. I wouldn't mind a coach with some athletes on the field and to spread out that offense a bit. It would be nice to play to the advantage of the dome and throw it around some. I think a back like Frederick would be perfect for a scheme like that. I think after SDSU switches to field turf that everyone in the conference will be off of grass. There are two other domes aside from the Dakota Dome so it's a good conference to open it up a bit. That isn't to say that we shouldn't be able to run because in the playoffs in the cold weather having a good O line and being able to run it are important. Caruso would be a good coach for an explosive offense. USF is also very powerful on offense so Stugart would probably bring a good scheme with him as well. These are for sure going to be exciting times. You're not going to find the athletes in the area to run this offense. It's one of the reasons why NDSU has been so successful. Who said anything about those athletes necessarily having to come from this area. |
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