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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 22:38:11 GMT -6
It went to the one that dropped baseball and wrestling. Also the one who never thought of equestrian as a sport. Perhaps the horse$hit stink would not fit with the school of business.  Personally I don't care about the multi care contacts, but if Nielsen turns out to be a Ed Meirkort in yote skins heaven help you. Yep. There will be cause to terminate the contract and it won't need to be honored. Any more softballs? Good grief. Every state in the country allows it...NEXT! So what was the cause for Eddy to leave Cousin Eddy? |
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Post by yotefan on Jan 29, 2016 7:17:29 GMT -6
It seems as if the only people who haven't moved on from the Ed days are State fans. Nidaros, you normally share some pretty thoughtful posts, but this one was out there.
Baseball in the upper-Midwest is mediocre at best, with the exception of a flash in the pan once in a while. Wrestling is a horse that has been beaten to death on this board and the numbers don't lie, it is a sport on life support. To that end, congrats on SDSU being invited to the trauma room of collegiate wrestling to help a conference with flagging numbers. Cool stuff, but step back and look at the big picture and it loses its relevance quickly. Hi Dr. Chicoine, we have good news and bad news. The good news is, we saved your nose (read as SDSU wrestling). The bad news is, we can't save your face (read as college wrestling in general).
Speaking of horses, equestrian, while still a sport, is just plain cost prohibitive for participants and for athletic programs. Face it, kids from farm country who have access to livestock or rich girls from southern California who have access to daddy's money are the kids who State and its fellow equestrian hotbeds "recruits." Pretty sure your coaches aren't in a room somewhere on national signing day drooling over some kid's tape from inner-city Detroit because they show amazing potential in dressage or a huge upside with a fantastic motor when it comes to team-roping. That's a sport for kids from money or farm and ranch country. Not a matter of USD feeling like the "horse$hit stink would not fit with the school of business," rather its just a shitty deal for USD as a whole and a bad business decision for any school. Period.
Anyway, when it comes to why Ed has left, that ship, like Ed, has sailed. Get over it and move on. We all have. If you still can't let it go, why don't we discuss why "Dr." Fred was let go? Why? Because, it's pointless. As "Dr." Fred said, State isn't rivals with USD anymore anyway.
In other news, I got some literature the other day from USD saying we are 80% toward our goal of raising $250 million. I can't wait for State to roll out their $300 million campaign soon.
And so it goes in the greatest state in America. =)
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Post by yote14 on Jan 29, 2016 10:09:42 GMT -6
It's becoming very clear that SDSU doesn't have a school of business. Lol Good grief, how naive are you? No way we will be as successful? And the trophy went to what school last year in all sports? It went to the one that dropped baseball and wrestling. Also the one who never thought of equestrian as a sport. Perhaps the horse$hit stink would not fit with the school of business. Personally I don't care about the multi care contacts, but if Nielsen turns out to be a Ed Meirkort in yote skins heaven help you. Definitely clear they do not have a business school now. Although I hear they have one hell of an Entrepreneur degree. Whatever that is. Might be worse than the 2,000 general studies degrees they give away each May. Have you ever thought your budget constraints have a direct correlation to how thin you are spread in your athletics department with 70 sports on the books? You would already have FCOA etc if a million dollars wasn't going to men's tennis. WIU and SDSU are the only schools in the Summit who offer all sports. How are both of your athletic budgets, coaching salaries etc? Time to trim the fat........I want you to fire all the fat people. |
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Jan 29, 2016 10:18:08 GMT -6
Yep. There will be cause to terminate the contract and it won't need to be honored. Any more softballs? Good grief. Every state in the country allows it...NEXT! So what was the cause for Eddy to leave Cousin Eddy? Huh? What is your question? Your intent before was a question of what happens if there is a coach like Ed (which you were clearly implying - what if there is a coach doing unethical things or that has improprieties). If that is the case, there is cause for termination due to unlawful acts. Ultimately, Ed's indiscretions came out later - were they happening at USD? I don't know. Why was he fired? I don't care. This just feels like a person trying to ride out on his high horse. What I am telling you is that if a coach does something that is unlawful or fraudulent, as you are trying to imply, that is cause for termination and would invalidate any properly drafted contract. Also, to all of the folks on your board that are implying Herbster or Abbott did something illegal or improper, they are misguided. Hiring coaches takes speed and agility that doesn't conform to government. There are work-arounds that require a modicum of common sense to comprehend. The BOR is a voting body, just like a legislature. If they have to have presentations made in open meetings at all turns and cannot meet with policy influencers in advance of their meetings to get educated or prepared, then that is REALLY bad policy and inefficient. They meet monthly or less. Administrators visit with and lobby them. That is government in a nutshell. Yes, the contract is signed. Abbott and/or Herbster likely met with each regent and got assurances or were confident that this would pass. No officer (like an AD), especially a public one, has the ability to bind the State to anything in excess of their authority. If they have even a half-assed attorney, they talk to Nielson, explain the situation and the risks of the BOR not approving the term and then add a severability clause like this (or something similar) into the contract: “In the event that any of the terms, conditions or provisions of this Agreement are held to be illegal, unenforceable or invalid by any court of competent jurisdiction, the remaining terms, conditions or provisions hereof shall remain in full force and effect.” If it doesn't pass the BOR, then the contract is year to year. Coaching deals aren't written on napkins - legal counsel is engaged. They put clauses into contracts that deal with catastrophic situations. This is a part of doing business. |
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Post by Yotes on Jan 29, 2016 12:15:42 GMT -6
So what was the cause for Eddy to leave Cousin Eddy? Huh? What is your question? Your intent before was a question of what happens if there is a coach like Ed (which you were clearly implying - what if there is a coach doing unethical things or that has improprieties). If that is the case, there is cause for termination due to unlawful acts. Ultimately, Ed's indiscretions came out later - were they happening at USD? I don't know. Why was he fired? I don't care. This just feels like a person trying to ride out on his high horse. What I am telling you is that if a coach does something that is unlawful or fraudulent, as you are trying to imply, that is cause for termination and would invalidate any properly drafted contract. Also, to all of the folks on your board that are implying Herbster or Abbott did something illegal or improper, they are misguided. Hiring coaches takes speed and agility that doesn't conform to government. There are work-arounds that require a modicum of common sense to comprehend. The BOR is a voting body, just like a legislature. If they have to have presentations made in open meetings at all turns and cannot meet with policy influencers in advance of their meetings to get educated or prepared, then that is REALLY bad policy and inefficient. They meet monthly or less. Administrators visit with and lobby them. That is government in a nutshell. Yes, the contract is signed. Abbott and/or Herbster likely met with each regent and got assurances or were confident that this would pass. No officer (like an AD), especially a public one, has the ability to bind the State to anything in excess of their authority. If they have even a half-assed attorney, they talk to Nielson, explain the situation and the risks of the BOR not approving the term and then add a severability clause like this (or something similar) into the contract: “In the event that any of the terms, conditions or provisions of this Agreement are held to be illegal, unenforceable or invalid by any court of competent jurisdiction, the remaining terms, conditions or provisions hereof shall remain in full force and effect.” If it doesn't pass the BOR, then the contract is year to year. Coaching deals aren't written on napkins - legal counsel is engaged. They put clauses into contracts that deal with catastrophic situations. This is a part of doing business. Nope. Nielsen isn't on contract, Herbster and Abbott are being brought up on charges, and all the recruits should de-commit. |
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Post by usdtator on Jan 29, 2016 12:44:49 GMT -6
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Post by Yotes on Jan 29, 2016 14:54:55 GMT -6
If the policy were actually effecting them they would have tried the same. Having the same long term coaches from D2 didn't make this urgent for them at all. |
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Post by GoYotes on Jan 29, 2016 14:59:36 GMT -6
Safe bet that, within the next 15 months, SDSU will have reason to thank USD for getting this policy changed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 15:07:56 GMT -6
Safe bet that, within the next 15 months, SDSU will have reason to thank USD for getting this policy changed. SDSU has had no reason to go after multi-year contracts. Do you not understand that? Once it gets approved will Stig, Nagy, or AJ want multi-year contracts? Who knows. It hasn't affected SDSU at all. |
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Post by usdtator on Jan 29, 2016 15:19:01 GMT -6
Safe bet that, within the next 15 months, SDSU will have reason to thank USD for getting this policy changed. SDSU has had no reason to go after multi-year contracts. Do you not understand that? Once it gets approved will Stig, Nagy, or AJ want multi-year contracts? Who knows. It hasn't affected SDSU at all. I think you are missing point on this one. Someday, sooner or later, one of your long term D2 coaches will retire or leave for other reasons and you will need to look for someone to replace them. At that time, you will be grateful that USD laid the groundwork for you to hire a new coach with a mulit-year contract. Or do you think everyone wants to coach at State college so bad that they are willing to take any 1 yr contract laid in front of them...? |
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Jan 29, 2016 15:21:51 GMT -6
So when any of those three leave, retire, or get canned SDSU will not want to be able to offer a multi-year contract to compete against pretty much any other University in the nation for a qualified coach? Yeah, I thought so.
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Post by yote14 on Jan 29, 2016 15:27:53 GMT -6
Safe bet that, within the next 15 months, SDSU will have reason to thank USD for getting this policy changed. SDSU has had no reason to go after multi-year contracts. Do you not understand that? Once it gets approved will Stig, Nagy, or AJ want multi-year contracts? Who knows. It hasn't affected SDSU at all. sandakotastate I feel it is you missing the whole point. Those 3 will not be there forever. It will affect you sooner than later. AJ may be in talks right now for all you know about wanting a multi year deal or he is leaving for Green Bay the next time that job opens up. If we look back 50 years from now and SDSU still has not offered a multi year deal to any of their coaches I will agree with you this has no impact on you. But that is not going to happen. USD accomplished something that benefits both schools but yet the SDSU fan base is sour about it asking to fire everyone at USD for breaking laws. Get a clue. SDSU fans remind me of Oakland Raiders fans. They have a grossly overvalued view of themselves for what they have accomplished and are some of the dumbest, trashiest people of the face of the earth with absolutely no ability to find the middle ground on anything. EVEN WHEN IT IS A HUGE BENEFIT TO THEMSELVES AS IN THIS SITUATION. Shut your mouths state fans nothing was done wrong. when you say laws were broken you sound stupid. when you claim one year contracts are not an issue you sound stupid. When your the only state doing something your either a trail blazer or way behind the 8 ball. In this case we are WAY behind the 8 ball in changing this. When you say USD should have gone about this in another manor you sound stupid. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 15:34:10 GMT -6
If you want to pound your chest about getting the BOR to change the contract policy, go for it. SDSU didn't need need to go that route since all of the major sports coaches have been very successful. It would have happened eventually. USD just happened to be the school to do it because of the high turnover in coaches there. Thank you for your horrible football program in order to get this done. Way to take one for the state of South Dakota!
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Post by yote14 on Jan 29, 2016 15:40:24 GMT -6
If you want to pound your chest about getting the BOR to change the contract policy, go for it. SDSU didn't need need to go that route since all of the major sports coaches have been very successful. It would have happened eventually. USD just happened to be the school to do it because of the high turnover in coaches there. Thank you for your horrible football program in order to get this done. Way to take one for the state of South Dakota! So then why are state fans in an uproar about it? It was going to happen anyway right? So why get pissy pants over it? Why be mad USD did it? Don't be mad because our horrible football program is NDSU's new rival and not SDSU since we can beat them and you can't. |
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Jan 29, 2016 15:40:28 GMT -6
You're welcome.
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Personally I don't care about the multi care contacts, but if Nielsen turns out to be a Ed Meirkort in yote skins heaven help you.
