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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 1, 2019 7:53:35 GMT -6
UMKC left the Summit because they were getting their butts handed to them by the Dakota schools. They knew they weren't going to win in the Summit so they moved to the WAC and an easier path to the NCAA tournament. I remember when they moved and there was no mention of any sort of superiority complex from them, in fact, it was obvious they were moving because the WAC was weaker and was an easier road for them. They needed to create buzz around the program, they needed to win, even if they were cheap wins, and they needed to make the tournament.
You called the Dakota 4 Augies? USD, SDSU, UND, NDSU are state schools with enrollments over 10,000 and endowments that far exceed that of Augustana. The 4 Dakota schools are nothing like Augustana, and that is the crux of the reason why many of us want nothing to do with them.
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Post by dave on Apr 1, 2019 8:46:14 GMT -6
The USF AD was at UMKC when they left for the WAC he was interviewed on KWSN about a year ago. He implied that UMKC thought them Summit was becoming to Dakota centered and there was no chance to advance to the NCAA men's bb tourney, they thought the WAC would be an easier path, they were also hoping to turn some NCAA runs into a MVC invite. They now regret that move as travel costs are killing them.
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 1, 2019 9:04:41 GMT -6
UMKC left the Summit because they were getting their butts handed to them by the Dakota schools. They knew they weren't going to win in the Summit so they moved to the WAC and an easier path to the NCAA tournament. I remember when they moved and there was no mention of any sort of superiority complex from them, in fact, it was obvious they were moving because the WAC was weaker and was an easier road for them. They needed to create buzz around the program, they needed to win, even if they were cheap wins, and they needed to make the tournament. True story. The fans on UMKC's message board have said the same thing. Basically it was a failed strategy to try and be competitive by running away from competition. Now under new leadership they are trying to do what they should have done all along: Improve their athletics. Improve their alumni involvement. Have a vision and a plan. Hire the right coaches. Commit to excellence. Basically what all the Dakota schools have been doing for a while, successfully. IMHO UMKC has several advantages that they should have been capitalizing on all along: They are a large, viable academic institution located in a very large, talent-filled city with NO other Division-1 schools. They have some wealthy alumni that are not very involved yet. If their men's BB hire was a good one they could very quickly get some fan interest, leading to better recruiting and finances. |
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Post by GoYotes on Apr 1, 2019 9:33:46 GMT -6
Hearing the Summit League and Augie have a press conference scheduled for 3PM this afternoon at the Pentagon to announce that Augie has accepted an invitation to join the Summit League.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 1, 2019 10:07:02 GMT -6
Funny, I just checked and found nothing on social media on the Vikings or Summit platforms about a presser. You would think they would want to get the word out about something that big.
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Post by Yote 53 on Apr 1, 2019 10:10:27 GMT -6
Hearing the Summit League and Augie have a press conference scheduled for 3PM this afternoon at the Pentagon to announce that Augie has accepted an invitation to join the Summit League. Dammit. Took me a few minutes to process that one. You got me good there. Hook. Line. Sinker. |
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 1, 2019 10:15:22 GMT -6
They may be big state schools but they carry no weight in Division 1 athletics. They are about as Augie like as it gets and find themselves in the only conference they can be in besides starting a new one as sioux volly explains every day. This is as good as it gets for us. To even move up we had to sart our own conference. Then we got lucky when the Summit was failing. We are here for them and now our future is Augie and possibly UMD. Some are saying Northwest Missouri State. Saint Cloud is a natural for the Summit using the Omaha model of no football. Time will tell. Augie is now saying football needs time. If they are ready to play something like the pioneer league when the time comes they will do it. Maybe in time they will be ready for the MVFC. There was even a hint they could drop football if the stars dont align with the ambitions of the scheduled move to D1. No doubt they will change the landscape in this area. The facilities are in place and they are wisely being used to generate all kinds of revenues. They have tournaments, semi pro and now Augie moving in for the regular season. Undoubtably they will be playing at the Pentagon when they take the court for their first transition game, probably against USD or SDSU. Probably back to back weekends. 1 game in Sioux Falls and 1 in Vermillion or Brookings. The common wisdom on the D2 board is 1 or 2 years. Here is a thread devoted to Augie: www.d2messageboard.com/showthread.php?t=82265&page=50 |
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 1, 2019 10:20:42 GMT -6
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Post by kiyoat on Apr 4, 2019 12:50:40 GMT -6
Donlon will make $350 k per year on a 6-year contract.
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 6, 2019 17:19:13 GMT -6
The upcoming MIAC meeting may see rule changes that would force St Thomas out. The NSIC is often mentioned as their new home but the Summit is now under consideration at least in the Fargo media.
They seem to have a lot of money but not a lot of respect.
I saw several comments on Twitter like this one
They might be the best choice out of the Augie, UMKC and St Thomas group but I think Augie is a better school, smaller but similar. St Thomas is the big time Augie. All the Dakota schools used to play them in OOC games. Then we got too big. Augie was in our conference. Then we got too big again.
For the Summit I like Augie best, then St Thomas and third UMKC.
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 6, 2019 19:14:10 GMT -6
St. Thomas football is D3 I know. Aren’t the other sports as well?
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 7, 2019 3:52:23 GMT -6
Fargo Forum
I think they are D3. They have a full slate of sports including hockey. Most have them moving to D2 NSIC. If they went all the way to D1 it’s the Summit, Pioneer and WCHA. Talk about stretching the budget. UND and Bowling green have the smallest athletic budgets that include D1 hockey and D1 football. It’s too much for those schools and St. Thomas won’t fair any better. The NSIC makes more sense but with all those sports D1 seems out of reach for a school that size without some changes. Dropping hockey would be the most obvious choice. Without hockey they might be a good fit in the MVFC & Summit?
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 7, 2019 8:34:14 GMT -6
Over at SS it was mentioned that it is no longer possible to move from D3 to D1. You have to go to D2 first. So, St. Thomas would take 9 years. If they were committed to the Summit I'm sure they would count toward any extentsions the Summit may need to perserve auto bids or otherwise keep the conference fully accredited.
The addition of a D1 bound St Thomas in transition in the NSIC could lead a few other schools already there to consider a change too.
Looking up St Thomas history, they were a charter member of the old NCC in 1921 and left in 1928. It looks like the old NCC may re-emerge across several different historical periods.
Here is the original NCC:
Creighton University Omaha, Nebraska Bluejays
Des Moines University Des Moines, Iowa Tigers Closed in 1929
Morningside College Sioux City, Iowa Mustangs
Nebraska Wesleyan University Lincoln, Nebraska Prairie Wolves
University of North Dakota Grand Forks, North Dakota
North Dakota State University Fargo, North Dakota Bison
University of St. Thomas St. Paul, Minnesota Tommies
University of South Dakota Vermillion, South Dakota Coyotes
South Dakota State University
With the addition of St. Thomas more than half of the original NCC would be back together. Talk about the NCC2! Now add Augie, Duluth, Mankato and St. Cloud to join Omaha and the rest! what a reunion. What once was old is new again.
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 7, 2019 8:40:29 GMT -6
Donlon will make $350 k per year on a 6-year contract. Pretty good money for the Summit isnt it? |
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Post by aldewitt on Apr 9, 2019 16:02:19 GMT -6
One of the local conference realignment "experts" on SS.com had this to say about the Summit:
That's just not true. The Summit would be granted extensions to accommodate any workable plan they had to return the conference to compliance. This immediate crisis thing is another figment of that posters imagination.
As Yote53 recently told sioux fans, he agrees with me that St. Thomas would be a good get for the Summit with a future in D1 hockey:
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