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Post by Yote 53 on May 1, 2024 11:55:41 GMT -6
I believe Minnesota State is in play. Augie, no. None of the Dakota schools want anything to do with Augustana. I don't think any of the other conference members are too keen on adding yet another Dakota school. North Dakota and Denver run the NCHC and will be a strong voice in Summit Hockey. They won't accept Augustana. They would accept Minnesota State while simultaneously kicking out St. Cloud. I don't know why they wouldn't admit Augie for just hockey. It's not like schools such as USD are going to add the sport with our strict adherence to Title IX. It would be it's own separate conference like what has been formed for wrestling with SDSU. Because UND and Denver are two of the most historic hockey programs in college hockey. They are going to want to play in the best college hockey conference in the country. Augustana is a start-up program and is not at that level yet. Heck, we might be stretching on Mankato because they have applied for and been rejected by the NCHC recently. Now that Hastings has moved on to Wisconsin leaving the Mavericks gutted and in rebuild mode with Strand to clean up the mess they might not even be an option for Summit Hockey. The CCHA is good home for Augustana. |
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Post by nodak651 on May 1, 2024 12:40:07 GMT -6
USD does not have any ice I doubt they are interested maybe womens hockey but not men Because they don't really add any value. The league has been very selective, in part, because want the conference schedule to be as close to a round robin as possible and they do not want to add additional in-conference games to everyone's schedule. The league wants as many out of conference games as possible to maximize the number of teams it can get into the NCAA tournament. They said no to Arizona State and Mankato in the past, and it took a long time for ASU to finally be admitted. They may eventually add another team, like St. Thomas, but they add value because they are located in the center of the most important recruiting/media market to the conference, and relative to Augie, they will have a better arena, better brand name, more students, more money, easier air travel, etc. |
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Post by fssd on May 1, 2024 12:43:57 GMT -6
NCHC is a play to play conference:
Institution, H. Conf, Expenses
UND, NCHC, $5,453,864
UNO, NCHC, $4,910,317
UMD, NCHC, $4,450,551
CC, NCHC, $4,117,107
DU, NCHC, $4,108,526
Mass, H.East, $3,724,523
ASU, NCHC, $3,505,282
Mankato, CCHA, $2,839,826
Miami, NCHC, $2,540,578
SCSU, NCHC, $2,337,159
WMU, NCHC, $2,170,025
Bowling Green, CCHA, $1,985,747
Bemidji State, CCHA, $1,609,845
St.Thomas, CCHA, $1,295,251
Augustana, CCHA, No Data
Lindenwood, CCHA, No Data
ASU built a new arena and has increased it's spending. NCHC was quick to invite. I can see the same thing with St. Thomas - new arena in progress and I am sure with a larger budget in the near future they will get a invite. I can see Miami and WMU moving to the CCHA eventually. And SCSU might be in trouble and looking at the CCHA also in the near future. Because, I don't think things are going to get less expensive when completing with Big 10.
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Post by nodak651 on May 1, 2024 13:08:26 GMT -6
I don't know why they wouldn't admit Augie for just hockey. It's not like schools such as USD are going to add the sport with our strict adherence to Title IX. It would be it's own separate conference like what has been formed for wrestling with SDSU. Because UND and Denver are two of the most historic hockey programs in college hockey. They are going to want to play in the best college hockey conference in the country. Augustana is a start-up program and is not at that level yet. Heck, we might be stretching on Mankato because they have applied for and been rejected by the NCHC recently. Now that Hastings has moved on to Wisconsin leaving the Mavericks gutted and in rebuild mode with Strand to clean up the mess they might not even be an option for Summit Hockey. The CCHA is good home for Augustana. Didn't see your post before I submitted mine. I agree with you. CCHA isn't a bad situation at all. They will be able to win more games there and develop a winning tradition, and the CCHA still has the potential to produce multiple bids, especially if Mankato stays. Besides UST and Mankato, BGSU, Michigan Tech, and Bemidji are solid programs with good facilities. Mankato is also nearby and they could make for a great rival right off the bat. |
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Post by nodak651 on May 1, 2024 13:18:03 GMT -6
ASU built a new arena and has increased it's spending. NCHC was quick to invite. I can see the same thing with St. Thomas - new arena in progress and I am sure with a larger budget in the near future they will get a invite. I can see Miami and WMU moving to the CCHA eventually. And SCSU might be in trouble and looking at the CCHA also in the near future. Because, I don't think things are going to get less expensive when completing with Big 10. WMU will be in a larger state of the art arena soon. I don't see them leaving as their program is relatively successful and by all accounts, the schools seems to be happy with the conference. I agree on Miami though, they no doubt want out. Two things stopping them are that they don't want to pay the buyout, and they probably don't want to make the move without WMU. SL hockey could potentially give them an "out" in regard to the buyout, but I think WMU would be more likely to join SL hockey than not. Miami will remain a complete wild card as long as David Sayler remains their AD. Agree about SCSU as well. They have huge institutional problems and I'll be shocked if they are able to remain as competitive as they have been. Mankato would ideally take their spot with a SL move, and they happen to be a great fit for the other sports the SL offers as well (should they ever get permission to move up). |
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Post by GoYotes on May 1, 2024 14:54:21 GMT -6
Per Matt Brown's Extra Point Newsletter (you have to subscribe to read the full newsletter), Stephen F Austin may leave the WAC, which would bring the WAC down to 9 conference members, of which only 4 sponsor football. If that happens he has been told that multiple WAC members will explore other conference membership options. His newsletter states "Specifically, I’ve been told to monitor the Summit League as a potential destination for the Utah-based institutions..." There are 3 Utah schools in the WAC: Utah Valley, Southern Utah & Utah Tech (formerly Dixie State). Southern Utah & Utah Tech both sponsor football. |
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Post by wrj on May 1, 2024 15:46:36 GMT -6
Per Matt Brown's Extra Point Newsletter (you have to subscribe to read the full newsletter), Stephen F Austin may leave the WAC, which would bring the WAC down to 9 conference members, of which only 4 sponsor football. If that happens he has been told that multiple WAC members will explore other conference membership options. His newsletter states "Specifically, I’ve been told to monitor the Summit League as a potential destination for the Utah-based institutions..." There are 3 Utah schools in the WAC: Utah Valley, Southern Utah & Utah Tech (formerly Dixie State). Southern Utah & Utah Tech both sponsor football. The equipment truck drivers will have to drive about 29 hours each direction between Cedar City and Youngstown. |
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Post by Yotes on May 1, 2024 17:17:36 GMT -6
Per Matt Brown's Extra Point Newsletter (you have to subscribe to read the full newsletter), Stephen F Austin may leave the WAC, which would bring the WAC down to 9 conference members, of which only 4 sponsor football. If that happens he has been told that multiple WAC members will explore other conference membership options. His newsletter states "Specifically, I’ve been told to monitor the Summit League as a potential destination for the Utah-based institutions..." There are 3 Utah schools in the WAC: Utah Valley, Southern Utah & Utah Tech (formerly Dixie State). Southern Utah & Utah Tech both sponsor football. There's two old Great West foes (SUU in football, UVU in basketball). Keep the memory alive! But seriously, if we can add a few Utah schools that would be good for the Summit. Makes a western bloc with Denver and opens the door for more western recruitment. Travel costs would be high but they always will be unless we are adding NSIC schools. |
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Post by elcoyote on May 1, 2024 22:08:09 GMT -6
Per Matt Brown's Extra Point Newsletter (you have to subscribe to read the full newsletter), Stephen F Austin may leave the WAC, which would bring the WAC down to 9 conference members, of which only 4 sponsor football. If that happens he has been told that multiple WAC members will explore other conference membership options. His newsletter states "Specifically, I’ve been told to monitor the Summit League as a potential destination for the Utah-based institutions..." There are 3 Utah schools in the WAC: Utah Valley, Southern Utah & Utah Tech (formerly Dixie State). Southern Utah & Utah Tech both sponsor football. The equipment truck drivers will have to drive about 29 hours each direction between Cedar City and Youngstown. Easy solution...get rid of them as they don't fit the MFVC footprint at all. I've never understood why they're a member and not in some eastern league. Utah is a jaunt too but choosing between St George/Cedar City (Zion, Bryce anyone) or Youngstown is not really much of a contest if you're up for a road trip. |
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Post by Yote 53 on May 2, 2024 7:44:55 GMT -6
So...we should have just joined the Big Sky Conference way back in the day. Seems like the Summit is headed west anyways. So much for that travel costs argument.
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Post by Yotes on May 2, 2024 11:51:46 GMT -6
I wish we had just stayed the course and gone Big Sky all those years ago. The xDSUs would have been forced to follow by now.
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Post by steelsd on May 2, 2024 15:09:26 GMT -6
I wish we had just stayed the course and gone Big Sky all those years ago. The xDSUs would have been forced to follow by now. You mean like UND did? |
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Post by jackjd on May 2, 2024 19:46:04 GMT -6
I wish we had just stayed the course and gone Big Sky all those years ago. The xDSUs would have been forced to follow by now. Forced to follow? That's funny! |
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Post by Yotes on May 3, 2024 5:19:56 GMT -6
I wish we had just stayed the course and gone Big Sky all those years ago. The xDSUs would have been forced to follow by now. Forced to follow? That's funny! The Summit would have collapsed. I suppose you think going independent would have worked? |
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Post by yote18 on May 4, 2024 9:20:18 GMT -6
I wish we had just stayed the course and gone Big Sky all those years ago. The xDSUs would have been forced to follow by now. Forced to follow? That's funny! Do you all coordinate and take turns monitoring our board or like why’re y’all so obsessed with us? Lol |
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