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Post by canislatrans on Mar 13, 2018 7:13:48 GMT -6
I'm happy for the Jacks getting that seed, but there are three reasons they drew that 8-seed: 1. RPI 2. RPI 3. RPI The committee doesn't even look at any other metrics. It is 12 different ways to dissect the RPI. The sooner we recognize that the better. Strength of Schedule is 75% of the RPI, and the RPI is 100% of selection criteria. It's a crazy system, but you're right. So, I guess this is the plan: Lose to the best team in your conference twice, Schedule tough opponents and lose, Win with your March SLT lotto ticket and you're IN !!
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Post by leatherneckcountry on Mar 13, 2018 7:26:03 GMT -6
Can you tell me what we can expect from Ryun Williams was he liked at USD.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 13, 2018 7:32:44 GMT -6
So I tried to do a composite ranking of the top teams in the WNIT, to see if we were considered "tier-1". I believe we are. I used RPI, Realtime RPI (identical), Sagarin, Massey, & Moore. The WNIT uses "at least 6 rankings" but don't name a sixth. I removed the high and low scores, and averaged the rest.
Tier I: (top 16 teams in the WNIT)
Rnk---Team (equivalent seed) 39----West Virginia (1) 50----Michigan State (1) 53----Ball State (1) 53----Virginia Tech (1)
54----Georgia Tech (2) 55----Indiana (2) 56----TCU (2) 60----UCF (2)
61----USD (3) 61----Purdue (3) 64----Drexel (3) 66----St. John's (3)
68----Penn (4) 72----Kansas State (4) 72----Utah (4) 76----IUPUI (4)
Upper Part of Tier II: (middle 32 teams)
77----Alabama (5) 77----James Madison (5) 78----Wright State (5) 80----Duquesne (5)
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 13, 2018 7:37:40 GMT -6
Using my composite ranking, here are the first two rounds:
#92 Houston @ #61 USD
#96 WIU @ #121 Colorado State
The winner of that group will likely travel to #50 Michigan State in the third round (they average 6K attendance, which is a factor with hosting).
As a "tier 1" school, I'm surprised we didn't draw a lower-ranked opponent in our first round. I'm sure it is tough to balance geography with competitive balance.
The Indiana Schools got screwed. IUPUI, Purdue, Ball State and Indiana (all tier-1) all play each other in the first three rounds. West Virginia has the easiest path to the championship game.
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 13, 2018 7:41:06 GMT -6
Can you tell me what we can expect from Ryun Williams was he liked at USD. I can't tell you what to expect on the court, but he was well liked at USD as far as I know. Hard to hold on to someone when they're offered double the money.
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Post by easmus on Mar 13, 2018 7:47:42 GMT -6
There was over 3000 seats available for the womens championship. Plenty of opportunity for coyote fans to buy tickets and even things out. Yeah, if you want to sit behind the basket in the upper deck. Stick to bashing us on the bunny board. I hate to say it but I don’t have a ton of sympathy for our bretheren here. I’ve sat in the upper bowl and it isn’t as bad as people make it out to be. Making noise for your team from the corner or upper bowl still reverberates through the arena. We as fans need to stop acting like if we don’t get front row parking and front row seats yadda yadda yadda that we just won’t go. How is that helping? So many people talk about the wussification of America, and most of it I don’t buy into. But this constant playing the victim stuff when it comes to the SLT is getting old. Either you want to come support your team or you don’t. I’ve seen many of those State fans in close seats. Let’s just say a whole lot of them might not be at the games in 5 years. So keep paying attention to what comes available and hopefully other fans can slowly infiltrate them. There is also no guarantee they are allowed to renew for another 2 years either. The SF Sports Authority may choose to open it up for everyone. If that happens, you better jump on it or quit whining. On the flip side, I have no time when State fans want to denigrate ANY other fan base for only going to their own games. Excuse me, but if I buy an all session pass and only want to attend USD games, that is my prerogative. I’m gonna hang in the hospitality room with friends until about 10 minutes before game time and then go back after the game. I’ve seen those comments (maybe not here but plenty of places, may have been Argus live chats) and I dismiss them as erroneous on all counts.
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Post by steelsd on Mar 13, 2018 8:07:46 GMT -6
I'm happy for the Jacks getting that seed, but there are three reasons they drew that 8-seed: 1. RPI 2. RPI 3. RPI The committee doesn't even look at any other metrics. It is 12 different ways to dissect the RPI. The sooner we recognize that the better. Strength of Schedule is 75% of the RPI, and the RPI is 100% of selection criteria. It's a crazy system, but you're right. So, I guess this is the plan: Lose to the best team in your conference twice, Schedule tough opponents and lose, Win with your March SLT lotto ticket and you're IN !! You mean teams like NC State, Drake, Oklahoma, and George Washington who are teams in the NCAA's that the Jacks beat? Pretty tough to throw stones when you are losing games to the likes of Tulsa and SFA...
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Post by usdcoyote on Mar 13, 2018 8:30:24 GMT -6
It's a crazy system, but you're right. So, I guess this is the plan: Lose to the best team in your conference twice, Schedule tough opponents and lose, Win with your March SLT lotto ticket and you're IN !! You mean teams like NC State, Drake, Oklahoma, and George Washington who are teams in the NCAA's that the Jacks beat? Pretty tough to throw stones when you are losing games to the likes of Tulsa and SFA... Ya I don't think anyone should have a problem with State getting an 8 seed, I think they are good enough to deserve it. Our problem should lie in USD getting left out.
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Post by yotefan on Mar 13, 2018 8:31:41 GMT -6
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Post by steelsd on Mar 13, 2018 8:55:40 GMT -6
You mean teams like NC State, Drake, Oklahoma, and George Washington who are teams in the NCAA's that the Jacks beat? Pretty tough to throw stones when you are losing games to the likes of Tulsa and SFA... Ya I don't think anyone should have a problem with State getting an 8 seed, I think they are good enough to deserve it. Our problem should lie in USD getting left out. And coming from the State fans I talk with, no one denies USD is good enough to be in the tournament. The problem comes as a mid major in building that national awareness that comes through playing and beating the quality P5 schools and gaining that respect. As much as some of your fans want to mock that, until you are going and beating these kinds of teams on a regular basis the committee is going to question how good you really are every year. I would think that USD has to be gaining respect nationally. Now you need your leadership to start getting home/away games with the well know powerhouse teams in the country and taking that extra little step to get you over the hump. Unfortunately in the mid major world (especially in the Summit) there is going to be a very fine line in trying to gain an at large berth. But a loss in which you scare the bejesus out of a one seed is going to go a lot further than losing to the likes of Tulsa. Your leadership should be able to see the path that SDSU has laid out in how to position yourself for an at large berth, so why not jump on board? But would you be in this position if you played FGCU, UWGB, and Drake instead of some of the opponents you guys scheduled? Obviously there is no way to know, but I'm sure that's the kind of thing on the mind of the committee when looking at those last few teams to let in.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 13, 2018 9:00:45 GMT -6
Here's the quote from that article: South Dakota: This wasn't a surprise, because the Coyotes weren't listed among the NCAA's final eight teams in contention ahead of the bracket. But what is the logic in omission? South Dakota went 14-0 in the Summit League and swept two regular-season meetings from South Dakota State, which deservedly earned a No. 8 seed in the NCAA tournament. The micro blame is with the committee, but the macro blame is with mid-major conferences that tie their automatic bids to conference tournaments. Without that, the Summit would have had two teams.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 13, 2018 9:11:35 GMT -6
Scheduling is a two way street. None of us know whether or not the USD women have tried to schedule top programs or not, what the details were, was USD rebuffed, etc.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 13, 2018 9:21:06 GMT -6
Ya I don't think anyone should have a problem with State getting an 8 seed, I think they are good enough to deserve it. Our problem should lie in USD getting left out. And coming from the State fans I talk with, no one denies USD is good enough to be in the tournament. The problem comes as a mid major in building that national awareness that comes through playing and beating the quality P5 schools and gaining that respect. As much as some of your fans want to mock that, until you are going and beating these kinds of teams on a regular basis the committee is going to question how good you really are every year. I would think that USD has to be gaining respect nationally. Now you need your leadership to start getting home/away games with the well know powerhouse teams in the country and taking that extra little step to get you over the hump. Unfortunately in the mid major world (especially in the Summit) there is going to be a very fine line in trying to gain an at large berth. But a loss in which you scare the bejesus out of a one seed is going to go a lot further than losing to the likes of Tulsa. Your leadership should be able to see the path that SDSU has laid out in how to position yourself for an at large berth, so why not jump on board? But would you be in this position if you played FGCU, UWGB, and Drake instead of some of the opponents you guys scheduled? Obviously there is no way to know, but I'm sure that's the kind of thing on the mind of the committee when looking at those last few teams to let in. Good grief. The only thing you missed was "SDSU blazed the trail". The Jacks had a losing record against USD this year. Congratulations, you won the one freaking game that counted. You all want to know what is a complete drag on attendance and will be going forward? We've had this conversation here before about why people don't attend games. Well, this week you got Exhibit A as to why attendance suffers, because none of these regular season games mean anything. The USD women go undefeated in the conference, what is their reward? The USD men had one chance to make the NCAA's and that was the SLT. What is the point of the regular season? Seeding? LOL, okay, look at where the Jacks have been seeded. Some reward. Just win enough games to get into the SLT and then go on a 3 game run. That's the trail that SDSU blazed for USD and the one that we should be focused on. Nothing matters but Sioux Falls.
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Post by steelsd on Mar 13, 2018 9:31:28 GMT -6
And coming from the State fans I talk with, no one denies USD is good enough to be in the tournament. The problem comes as a mid major in building that national awareness that comes through playing and beating the quality P5 schools and gaining that respect. As much as some of your fans want to mock that, until you are going and beating these kinds of teams on a regular basis the committee is going to question how good you really are every year. I would think that USD has to be gaining respect nationally. Now you need your leadership to start getting home/away games with the well know powerhouse teams in the country and taking that extra little step to get you over the hump. Unfortunately in the mid major world (especially in the Summit) there is going to be a very fine line in trying to gain an at large berth. But a loss in which you scare the bejesus out of a one seed is going to go a lot further than losing to the likes of Tulsa. Your leadership should be able to see the path that SDSU has laid out in how to position yourself for an at large berth, so why not jump on board? But would you be in this position if you played FGCU, UWGB, and Drake instead of some of the opponents you guys scheduled? Obviously there is no way to know, but I'm sure that's the kind of thing on the mind of the committee when looking at those last few teams to let in. Good grief. The only thing you missed was "SDSU blazed the trail". The Jacks had a losing record against USD this year. Congratulations, you won the one freaking game that counted. You all want to know what is a complete drag on attendance and will be going forward? We've had this conversation here before about why people don't attend games. Well, this week you got Exhibit A as to why attendance suffers, because none of these regular season games mean anything. The USD women go undefeated in the conference, what is their reward? The USD men had one chance to make the NCAA's and that was the SLT. What is the point of the regular season? Seeding? LOL, okay, look at where the Jacks have been seeded. Some reward. Just win enough games to get into the SLT and then go on a 3 game run. That's the trail that SDSU blazed for USD and the one that we should be focused on. Nothing matters but Sioux Falls. Really? It's not like SDSU was nearly a lock to make it in even had they not won the Summit League Tournament, huh? Guess maybe the regular season actually might mean something if you don't fill your non-conference schedule with creampuffs and lose to some of them.
As far as blazing the trail, one team had set themselves up for an at large and one hadn't. Maybe the team that hadn't might look to the one that had (or any of another other mid major teams that try to set themselves up for this) and do what they did. But trying to have a discussion with you is a waste since you will probably just ban me again since you can't really refute the fact that SDSU was probably going to get in even had they not won the SLT, so the "regular season is just for conference seeding" argument is crap. Hopefully your administration is smarter than you are and is actually going to try a model of setting themselves up with a schedule that gets them in consideration for at large. You have the players, just need the scheduling.
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Post by canislatrans on Mar 13, 2018 9:39:05 GMT -6
It's a crazy system, but you're right. So, I guess this is the plan: Lose to the best team in your conference twice, Schedule tough opponents and lose, Win with your March SLT lotto ticket and you're IN !! You mean teams like NC State, Drake, Oklahoma, and George Washington who are teams in the NCAA's that the Jacks beat? Pretty tough to throw stones when you are losing games to the likes of Tulsa and SFA... 'throwing stones?' Relax, take a deep breath. So State won 4 games against tourney teams to the Yotes 3. We all get it, scheduling top teams is a necessity, but not necessarily an easy task. You got yourself a well-deserved 8 seed, and you're on the Yotes board? Why don't you grab a Joose and kick back and enjoy the ride Best wishes in the Tourney!
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