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Post by jacksfan29 on Mar 17, 2018 11:37:53 GMT -6
What's the deal with all the Daum/Creighton chatter on Twitter? That would seem like an odd place to go, although McDermott did develop is son pretty well. That's been the word out of Omaha for a while. I heard Daum was going to Creighton next year from people I know in Omaha almost a month ago. You mean it has been the rumor out of Creighton for a while? Sort of like the rumor that he is going to NU, or the old one that he was transferring to Wisconsin after Nagy left? The Creighton rumor was started by a Creighton fan site and picked up by an opinion writer at the Omaha World Herald. The theory is that since Daum is from Nebraska he must want to go back to Nebraska and since the best BB school in NE is Creighton, well, done deal. Anything is possible but it is highly unlikely Daum would transfer to a glorified mid-major like Creighton. If he grad transfers, expect it to be to a BIG or Big 12 school.
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Post by jacksfan29 on Mar 17, 2018 11:40:32 GMT -6
Each game is worth about $1.7 million for the conference, regardless of the round (First Four and Final Four carry the same payout). Another game would have meant an additional $1.7 million. I just wanted to expand on that explanation on the disbursement aspect: The conference doesn't get that money all at once, it is disbursed in "units" of 1/6 of the total over six years. Since the Summit League has an auto-bid, we are guaranteed at least one payout each year. These disbursements essentially get "stacked" so that even if we never win a tournament game, the Summit League still gets (about) 1.7 mil each year to distribute to teams how they see fit. Getting two teams in the tournament, or one team winning a single game, gets a conference an additional 1.7 mil (disbursed over 6 years). So when NDSU beat Oklahoma in 2014, that added to the Summit's take for six years. The payout at that time was 1.6 million, so the per year would be about $267,000. In other words, the Summit has been getting around 1.967 mil/year, and will continue to until 2020. After that it will drop back to 1.7 mil, unless we get another tourney win before then. So about $2 million per year is now distributed by the Summit as they see fit. Is it split evenly each year? Are new members grandfathered in? That's completely up to the Summit league. This year we only have 8 members, so if it is even, USD would have gotten $250,000. Adding UND and one more team, and dropping to $1.7 mil after 2020 gives us a smaller share. Like $170,000 each year. So getting more teams in, and actually winning games makes a HUGE difference. The Summit/Midcontinent has had multiple bids and wins in the tournament in the past:1986 Cleveland State: 2 wins (3x disbursment) 1987 Missouri State: 1 win 1990 Missouri State: 1 win and Northern Iowa 1991 Green Bay and Northern Illinois 1994 Green Bay: 1 win 1998 Valpo: 2 wins 2005 Oakland: 1 win 2014 NDSU: 1 win And for Jacks fans: no, Women's NCAA appearances and wins don't pay a dime. Their tournament doesn't generate enough money to do that. there are costs to run the tournament, too. No, really? Wow, no one knew that... We've been around a while and we understand how it works. Nice to see you figured it out by looking it up on Google.
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 17, 2018 11:56:08 GMT -6
I just wanted to expand on that explanation on the disbursement aspect: The conference doesn't get that money all at once, it is disbursed in "units" of 1/6 of the total over six years. Since the Summit League has an auto-bid, we are guaranteed at least one payout each year. These disbursements essentially get "stacked" so that even if we never win a tournament game, the Summit League still gets (about) 1.7 mil each year to distribute to teams how they see fit. Getting two teams in the tournament, or one team winning a single game, gets a conference an additional 1.7 mil (disbursed over 6 years). So when NDSU beat Oklahoma in 2014, that added to the Summit's take for six years. The payout at that time was 1.6 million, so the per year would be about $267,000. In other words, the Summit has been getting around 1.967 mil/year, and will continue to until 2020. After that it will drop back to 1.7 mil, unless we get another tourney win before then. So about $2 million per year is now distributed by the Summit as they see fit. Is it split evenly each year? Are new members grandfathered in? That's completely up to the Summit league. This year we only have 8 members, so if it is even, USD would have gotten $250,000. Adding UND and one more team, and dropping to $1.7 mil after 2020 gives us a smaller share. Like $170,000 each year. So getting more teams in, and actually winning games makes a HUGE difference. The Summit/Midcontinent has had multiple bids and wins in the tournament in the past:1986 Cleveland State: 2 wins (3x disbursment) 1987 Missouri State: 1 win 1990 Missouri State: 1 win and Northern Iowa 1991 Green Bay and Northern Illinois 1994 Green Bay: 1 win 1998 Valpo: 2 wins 2005 Oakland: 1 win 2014 NDSU: 1 win And for Jacks fans: no, Women's NCAA appearances and wins don't pay a dime. Their tournament doesn't generate enough money to do that. there are costs to run the tournament, too. No, really? Wow, no one knew that... We've been around a while and we understand how it works. Nice to see you figured it out by looking it up on Google. Who needs google when the world has you?
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Post by yoteforever on Mar 17, 2018 12:02:30 GMT -6
jacksfan29.........if you want to make crap of a Coyote fan, take your sarcasm to smack thread or sit on it.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 17, 2018 16:19:38 GMT -6
And for Jacks fans: no, Women's NCAA appearances and wins don't pay a dime. Their tournament doesn't generate enough money to do that. there are costs to run the tournament, too. No, really? Wow, no one knew that... We've been around a while and we understand how it works. Nice to see you figured it out by looking it up on Google. Read your own board. At least one poster there is under the impression that your woman's team has made the conference millions in payouts. Fake News. If you don't care for my brand of myth busting, feel free to not read it.
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 18, 2018 23:19:30 GMT -6
Seems like the MVC can back up their claim of superiority over the Summit in men's hoops for this year anyway. Loyola is in the Sweet 16 with a solid chance to make it to the Elite 8. That's quite the quick turnaround from two years ago. Of course, it's probably not fair that they have Sister Jean on their side. Who wants to upset a 98 year old nun with that angelic expression? Some of these teams in the Summit need to step up their game in both men's and women's basketball if the league is going to achieve the notoriety that we crave. The two South Dakota schools have done their part, now it's time for some of the others to follow suit.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 21, 2018 8:52:57 GMT -6
The WNIT "Sweet Sixteen" or Round 3 is shaping up into a mid-majors vs. Power Conference battle. Six of the Eight games feature a mid-major (or high-major) versus a Power-5 (or power-6 with the Big East) team. Here are those match-ups (with virtual seeds based on my composite rankings)
#1 Michigan State ---@ #3 South Dakota---Summit --------vs. Big Ten #2 TCU ---------------@ #7 New Mexico----Mountain West* vs. Big 12 #6 UC Davis --------@ #4 Kansas State-----Big West--------vs. Big 12 #5 James Madison @ #1 West Virginia-----Colonial---------vs. Big 12 #5 Duquesne ------@ #3 St. John's---------Atlantic 10*-----vs. Big East** #7 Fordham -------@ #1 Virginia Tech------Atlantic 10*-----vs. ACC
* Some consider the MWC and A-10 to be "high-majors" along with the AAC ** Most consider the Big East to be a "Power Conference" in basketball
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 21, 2018 9:44:16 GMT -6
I was curious whether the designation of "Power-5/6" "High Major" and "Mid-Major" hold up in women's basketball. Here are the average # NCAA bids per conference for the last 4 years:
7.8 bids: SEC 7.0 bids: ACC 5.8 bids: PAC-12 5.5 bids: Big-10 5.3 bids: Big-12 3.0 bids: Big East 2.5 bids: AAC 2.0 bids: A-10 1.5 bids: WCC 1.3 bids: MVC 1.3 bids: MAC
For the most part it holds up, and that makes sense. When the men's teams get multiple teams in, or get wins, it increases conference revenue. In theory, that would help the competitiveness of all the school's other sports. Obviously Football boosts the P-5 revenue as well.
There are differences, though. The Mountain West's women's BB has not been a multiple-bid league for a while, for example. The Big East is not as dominant on the Women's side, either. Individual schools, rather than conferences, dominate the sport. Outside of those dominant schools, mid-majors can make more noise, if the committee gives them a shot, that is.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 23, 2018 7:27:05 GMT -6
#1 Michigan State ---@ #3 South Dakota---Summit --------vs. Big Ten #2 TCU ---------------@ #7 New Mexico----Mountain West* vs. Big 12 #6 UC Davis --------@ #4 Kansas State-----Big West--------vs. Big 12 #5 James Madison @ #1 West Virginia-----Colonial---------vs. Big 12 #5 Duquesne ------@ #3 St. John's---------Atlantic 10*-----vs. Big East** #7 Fordham -------@ #1 Virginia Tech------Atlantic 10*-----vs. ACC So it is looking like South Dakota might be the only mid-major program in the "elite eight" of the WNIT. There are still two games to play today: West Virginia is favored 69-55 over JMU Kansas State is favored 71-62 over UC-Davis
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 23, 2018 8:58:21 GMT -6
With New Mexico out, the only other team left that would definitely get a home game against us is Indiana IMO. They had an attendance of 5,564 in their sweet-16 game. Granted, it was against a conference rival that was in-state, but they also average 3,300 per game on the season (top-30 nationally)
Sweet 16 attendance:
5,564 Indiana
3,938 New Mexico 3,072 South Dakota 950-- VA Tech 640-- Alabama 335-- St. John's ?---? West Virginia (1,651 in 2nd round) ?---? Kansas State (1,328 in 2nd round)
(TCU had 1,069 in the 2nd round) (JMU had 1,048 in the 2nd round) (UC-Davis had 1,382 in the 1st round)
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Post by usdtator on Mar 23, 2018 9:34:23 GMT -6
Didn't someone post that WNIT rules state you have to play at least one road game? Or am I mistaken?
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Post by JWKunzman on Mar 23, 2018 9:38:21 GMT -6
Didn't someone post that WNIT rules state you have to play at least one road game? Or am I mistaken? I tweeted that question at John Thayer and he said unless it's brand new there is no rule on that. Michigan hosted the whole way through last year and a few other teams have done it recently
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 23, 2018 9:47:43 GMT -6
Didn't someone post that WNIT rules state you have to play at least one road game? Or am I mistaken? I tweeted that question at John Thayer and he said unless it's brand new there is no rule on that. Michigan hosted the whole way through last year and a few other teams have done it recently I think El Coyote mentioned that he was talking with some USD Admin people, and someone mentioned it. Could have been a misunderstanding. And to be clear, WNIT game attendance isn't the ONLY factor. Obviously bids are very important, possibly more important. The two are related, of course, as the bid loosely represents what you can get in returns on tickets, concessions, area business sales, etc. Didn't the Vermillion Chamber of Commerce help out with the last bid?
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Post by JWKunzman on Mar 23, 2018 10:01:57 GMT -6
I tweeted that question at John Thayer and he said unless it's brand new there is no rule on that. Michigan hosted the whole way through last year and a few other teams have done it recently I think El Coyote mentioned that he was talking with some USD Admin people, and someone mentioned it. Could have been a misunderstanding. And to be clear, WNIT game attendance isn't the ONLY factor. Obviously bids are very important, possibly more important. The two are related, of course, as the bid loosely represents what you can get in returns on tickets, concessions, area business sales, etc. Didn't the Vermillion Chamber of Commerce help out with the last bid? Yes, Vermillion City Council appropriated $5,000 from the Bed and Booze fund (or something like that, don't know what it is) to win the bid
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 23, 2018 10:15:19 GMT -6
I tweeted that question at John Thayer and he said unless it's brand new there is no rule on that. Michigan hosted the whole way through last year and a few other teams have done it recently I think El Coyote mentioned that he was talking with some USD Admin people, and someone mentioned it. Could have been a misunderstanding. And to be clear, WNIT game attendance isn't the ONLY factor. Obviously bids are very important, possibly more important. The two are related, of course, as the bid loosely represents what you can get in returns on tickets, concessions, area business sales, etc. Didn't the Vermillion Chamber of Commerce help out with the last bid? I was told that a week or so ago, but last night I mentioned it to someone in administration and was informed that that is completely wrong. I like the second answer better. sorry if I was the conduit for bad intel.
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