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Post by yoteforever on Aug 11, 2020 13:39:22 GMT -6
The Big 10 just cancelled their season as well. I was on the road for 4 hours today and listened for 2 hours to ESPN radio with Chris Childers and Rick Neuheisel. Rick, a former coach and I also think he might hold a law degree, brought up some very good points today. At the time of their show, I think they thought the Big 10 was going to give it a shot. Ricks analysis was that the athletes are safer on campus, in an environment where the athletes are being tested daily and receiving advanced nutritional meals, the whole time being surrounded by Doctors supporting the respective universities. As opposed to cutting them loose and going back to an environment far less safe for many of these kids. He’s 100% for keeping the kids safe, the question is are they safer at home or the controlled sports environment at school?
The debate also centered around regular students back on campus mingling with the athletes and then contacting Covid from them. Again his analysis is that there’s risk either way, but there’s no proof playing a game is putting an athlete at risk any more than walking in a store to purchase something with others there. He felt there were 2 big things that would make Big 10 presidents vote postponing besides the Covid argument. The first is the movement out West to form a players alliance and gain things such as revenue sharing and health insurance among other things. The 2nd issue centered around the 1000’s of lawsuits lawyers would pursue for a number of issues that could tie up schools and courts for years. It was an interesting debate.
Apparently coaches yesterday went public with facts they had from their respective schools. Jim Harbaugh at Michigan said they’d had 3 total cases. 2 from kids just getting back to Ann Arbor from home visits in June. But he reported there were zero positive test results in the last 300+ tests they’ve taken. That’s interesting. You don’t hear that being reported.
Lastly he forecasted the demise and take down of most college athletic departments sports programs other than football and basketball. Funding won’t be there. Barry Alvarez at Wisconsin said it would hit his department in excess of $100M. Scott Frost at Nebraska said somewhere between $80-120M. Similar numbers. Then there’s a whole transfer portal issue that will explode. All in all just a fascinating debate I thought.
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Post by GoYotes on Aug 11, 2020 13:59:17 GMT -6
If the athletes are student-athletes, won't they still be on campus, still in training, still have access to advanced nutritional meals and still be receiving all the other support available to student-athletes?? Conferences and universities don't take these decisions lightly. They know the dollars involved. They have access to the best facts, science and data.
I understand everyone's frustrations, I am frustrated myself. College football Saturday's this fall was somewhat my line in the sand when putting up with the terrible job we have did as a country in getting the pandemic under control.
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Post by Yote 53 on Aug 11, 2020 18:22:51 GMT -6
I've been pretty consistent in saying that humans, especially Americans, are so arrogant in our belief that we can control mother nature. This is a virus and it's going to work it's way through the population no matter what we do. We need to live our lives and get back to normal. The side effects of the shutdowns and cancellations are worse than the damn virus.
The whole point in taking measures to mitigate was to keep the numbers under control so that we can treat the sick. Looking at the mortality rates I'd say we've done a good job. Positive tests are up because testing is up. Wasn't that a goal, increased testing? Now we point at positive tests and scream that we have to stop the virus. Arrogance to think we can stop it.
Statistically speaking you have a very low chance of dying from this thing. For college students the number is so small it's not worth discussing. Under the age of 65 you have a better chance of dying in an auto accident (1 in 106) than of dying from Covid.
The entire overreaction to this thing has been ridiculous. But I'm on board now just to see how insane it can get. Let's shut it all down. Watch the misery index go through the roof and the people just explode eventually.
No alcohol involved with this post but I've had a crappy day so that is about to change.
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Post by Yotes on Aug 11, 2020 20:06:32 GMT -6
FWIW, one of my favorite things to do here is to read posts first thing in the morning, and compare the message with what time it was posted. Then I chuckle to myself as I wonder about the scenario when they were posted (too many cocktails, after a frustrating day, even-more-too-many cocktails, too much time on Twitter, etc.) I bet you've flagged many of my posts. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 12, 2020 0:20:20 GMT -6
CF- I apologize for calling you an i----. That was unfair and unjustified on my part! no problem. if i called someone an idiot i would have been banned. i dont think you should be but depending who you are is how much toolarance you get here. |
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Post by captaincoyote on Aug 12, 2020 5:20:22 GMT -6
To be upfront, my bias on the subject comes from working in healthcare (my undergrad Health Services Administration degree is from USD). My understanding of the arguments for masking and distancing since the beginning of the pandemic has been that such actions should not necessarily be considered from an individual perspective but from a universalistic perspective. In fact, at the individual level, the odds of contracting Covid-19 are very low; however, the reasoning for safety measures has always been to protect the vulnerable and to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed. In fact, my current city has already had a major breakout, and the hospital I work for had to double ICU rooms and almost exclusively focus on Covid-19 patients for a while. Doing so was a great detriment to patients waiting for non-urgent procedures. Even if an infected individual only spreads the virus to one or two people, the exponential nature of contagious spread means that the virus can very quickly spread out of control and reach people who are vulnerable to hospitalization (especially when I suspect that most spread occurs from people bringing the virus home). That is why we need to follow the lead of other countries and do what we can do to control this virus - which requires all of us to individually decide to do our part.
With all of this said, I have selfishly hoped for football to stay in the fall without fans. Yes, college campuses are a cesspool for disease, but if players can be tested in advance of games, I think the risk of contracting the virus during competition and bringing it back to campus is pretty low in comparison to normal social activity with untested students. Conferences may cancel their seasons, but I think schools can still decide to compete independently. If so, I would like to see schools put together half a normal schedule of games spread two weeks apart with anyone willing to play. If USD did this, we could still potentially play Iowa State and then keep players sharp with some "full-speed expedition games" against local schools like state, Nebraska, Northern Iowa etc. Perhaps, we could even remind Augie why they need to stay DII! To me this seems like the best compromise.
Stay safe and Go Yotes!
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Post by sportschic on Aug 12, 2020 6:21:35 GMT -6
I've been pretty consistent in saying that humans, especially Americans, are so arrogant in our belief that we can control mother nature. This is a virus and it's going to work it's way through the population no matter what we do. We need to live our lives and get back to normal. The side effects of the shutdowns and cancellations are worse than the damn virus. The whole point in taking measures to mitigate was to keep the numbers under control so that we can treat the sick. Looking at the mortality rates I'd say we've done a good job. Positive tests are up because testing is up. Wasn't that a goal, increased testing? Now we point at positive tests and scream that we have to stop the virus. Arrogance to think we can stop it. Statistically speaking you have a very low chance of dying from this thing. For college students the number is so small it's not worth discussing. Under the age of 65 you have a better chance of dying in an auto accident (1 in 106) than of dying from Covid. The entire overreaction to this thing has been ridiculous. But I'm on board now just to see how insane it can get. Let's shut it all down. Watch the misery index go through the roof and the people just explode eventually. No alcohol involved with this post but I've had a crappy day so that is about to change. |
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Post by 88grad on Aug 12, 2020 11:20:08 GMT -6
To be upfront, my bias on the subject comes from working in healthcare (my undergrad Health Services Administration degree is from USD). My understanding of the arguments for masking and distancing since the beginning of the pandemic has been that such actions should not necessarily be considered from an individual perspective but from a universalistic perspective. In fact, at the individual level, the odds of contracting Covid-19 are very low; however, the reasoning for safety measures has always been to protect the vulnerable and to prevent hospitals from becoming overwhelmed. In fact, my current city has already had a major breakout, and the hospital I work for had to double ICU rooms and almost exclusively focus on Covid-19 patients for a while. Doing so was a great detriment to patients waiting for non-urgent procedures. Even if an infected individual only spreads the virus to one or two people, the exponential nature of contagious spread means that the virus can very quickly spread out of control and reach people who are vulnerable to hospitalization (especially when I suspect that most spread occurs from people bringing the virus home). That is why we need to follow the lead of other countries and do what we can do to control this virus - which requires all of us to individually decide to do our part. With all of this said, I have selfishly hoped for football to stay in the fall without fans. Yes, college campuses are a cesspool for disease, but if players can be tested in advance of games, I think the risk of contracting the virus during competition and bringing it back to campus is pretty low in comparison to normal social activity with untested students. Conferences may cancel their seasons, but I think schools can still decide to compete independently. If so, I would like to see schools put together half a normal schedule of games spread two weeks apart with anyone willing to play. If USD did this, we could still potentially play Iowa State and then keep players sharp with some "full-speed expedition games" against local schools like state, Nebraska, Northern Iowa etc. Perhaps, we could even remind Augie why they need to stay DII! To me this seems like the best compromise. Stay safe and Go Yotes! To be fair, I"ve wanted to see USD play USF for years.... |
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Post by Yotes on Aug 12, 2020 11:38:38 GMT -6
Is the team still practicing?
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Post by easmus on Aug 12, 2020 17:57:14 GMT -6
I guess this gives some of the young guys, maybe even QB, more time to learn and be ready to contribute if we actually get that spring season.
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Post by usdguy99 on Aug 12, 2020 19:48:16 GMT -6
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Post by easmus on Aug 12, 2020 20:16:38 GMT -6
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Post by sdyotefan on Aug 16, 2020 6:16:34 GMT -6
Is the football team practicing and treating the fall as the spring practices? If they are it would be great to have a fall scrimmage.
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Post by easmus on Aug 16, 2020 19:28:30 GMT -6
I think they want to, but everyone is waiting on the ncaa so they know what is even allowed.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Aug 17, 2020 5:00:10 GMT -6
If a league is going to move their conference schedule to the spring, why would a team go through fall camp for just 1 or 2 games such as Iowa State. That just doesn't make much sense to me. If a conference moves their games I think all teams in that conference should just call off the fall all together.
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