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Post by captaincoyote on Sept 3, 2021 22:17:56 GMT -6
I read on here that most think the yotes look better than last yr. Remember who they were playing. Haven't won in 667 days till tonight. Our play calling is total horse shit. How long do we keep the Offensive coordinator and head coach. Both got to go now. We have the same OC that has led our explosive offense for years. The issue is that his scheme hinges on sound QB play and Camp just isn't there yet. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 3, 2021 22:20:15 GMT -6
I hope we have another older QB in the room that can lead this team going forward this season. That's not a knock on Camp. I think he'll be good down the road but we're asking too much from him too soon. Need to give him a chance to mature or we'll ruin him. He looked overwhelmed tonight and I don't think that's fair to him.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 4, 2021 2:34:42 GMT -6
I read on here that most think the yotes look better than last yr. Remember who they were playing. Haven't won in 667 days till tonight. Our play calling is total horse shit. How long do we keep the Offensive coordinator and head coach. Both got to go now. So who do you hire in September? There's not an unemployment line of winning coaches to just pick one out of. This staff deserves the criticisms they get, but for the most part I didn't have a problem with the play calling. Our offensive struggles weren't really because of the scheme, we have a young QB that didn't play a good game. That's all it amounts to. We executed and moved the ball pretty well until we asked Camp to sit in the pocket and try to go through his progressions. That's not a scheme problem, just a failure to perform. To be a successful athletic department we should all have the confidence in the leadership to make the right decision to hire the best coaches. To say that there is nothing out there available any better is like throwing in the towel in trying to win. At some point Bob Nielson is not going to be the coach by either retiring, getting fired or having his contract not renewed. Before anything is done to look at a replacement the AD and staff have a responsibility to their fans and alumni to take a step back before making any quick hirings. They need to know the history of the program, the coaches and what went right or wrong in the process. Honestly much more has gone wrong then right for quite some time. Those lessons need to be learned and carried forward. Those that don't learn from the past are bound to repeat it and I don't think Coyote football has learned from the past very well. SDSU is the perfect comparison for the Coyotes. They have winning seasons in their sleep right now up in Brookings. What are they doing right that the Coyotes are doing so wrong. That needs to be looked at as well. They have a similar smaller town feel, share the same recruiting footprint, have the same D2 history, etc, etc, etc. Even a program like Northern Iowa can be compared. What are they doing that is better than what SD has done. This program is capable of being a winner. But before that can be accomplished the admin MUST use objective decision making in the process. Throw personal bias out the window and try to look at ones self from and outside perspective. Don't get tunnel vision to a particular coach before the process has had a chance to fairly play out or a particular candidate will be put on a pedestal and bias will tend to set in. As far as Nielson the hire was somewhere between OK to good but I still say that people looked at what he did at Western Illinois and assumed he did a good job there because it is hard to win there. He was pretty mediocre if you ask me and he wasn't getting any younger when the Coyotes hired him. I just think he is low energy and doesn't have to true will to really be a winner. The teams overall lack of discipline is evidence of that. Sure Nielson can turn it around but every year that comes and goes makes that more and more unlikely. At this point I don't think he will even get that program near the level of where the Jacks are right now. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 4, 2021 2:37:25 GMT -6
I hope we have another older QB in the room that can lead this team going forward this season. That's not a knock on Camp. I think he'll be good down the road but we're asking too much from him too soon. Need to give him a chance to mature or we'll ruin him. He looked overwhelmed tonight and I don't think that's fair to him. Would that statement be the same thing as just never wanting to start a freshman quarterback because of some growing pains he might face. I am unsure if Camp will ever really be the surefire starter (he may or may not) but I don't think we should just give up on the idea of never starting a freshman because starting a freshman can lead to 3 good years down the line. That isn't necessarily regarding Camp specifically. I have to always have to start over with the QB every year or two. |
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Post by fightsd on Sept 4, 2021 4:57:52 GMT -6
So who do you hire in September? There's not an unemployment line of winning coaches to just pick one out of. This staff deserves the criticisms they get, but for the most part I didn't have a problem with the play calling. Our offensive struggles weren't really because of the scheme, we have a young QB that didn't play a good game. That's all it amounts to. We executed and moved the ball pretty well until we asked Camp to sit in the pocket and try to go through his progressions. That's not a scheme problem, just a failure to perform. To be a successful athletic department we should all have the confidence in the leadership to make the right decision to hire the best coaches. To say that there is nothing out there available any better is like throwing in the towel in trying to win. At some point Bob Nielson is not going to be the coach by either retiring, getting fired or having his contract not renewed. Before anything is done to look at a replacement the AD and staff have a responsibility to their fans and alumni to take a step back before making any quick hirings. They need to know the history of the program, the coaches and what went right or wrong in the process. Honestly much more has gone wrong then right for quite some time. Those lessons need to be learned and carried forward. Those that don't learn from the past are bound to repeat it and I don't think Coyote football has learned from the past very well. SDSU is the perfect comparison for the Coyotes. They have winning seasons in their sleep right now up in Brookings. What are they doing right that the Coyotes are doing so wrong. That needs to be looked at as well. They have a similar smaller town feel, share the same recruiting footprint, have the same D2 history, etc, etc, etc. Even a program like Northern Iowa can be compared. What are they doing that is better than what SD has done. This program is capable of being a winner. But before that can be accomplished the admin MUST use objective decision making in the process. Throw personal bias out the window and try to look at ones self from and outside perspective. Don't get tunnel vision to a particular coach before the process has had a chance to fairly play out or a particular candidate will be put on a pedestal and bias will tend to set in. As far as Nielson the hire was somewhere between OK to good but I still say that people looked at what he did at Western Illinois and assumed he did a good job there because it is hard to win there. He was pretty mediocre if you ask me and he wasn't getting any younger when the Coyotes hired him. I just think he is low energy and doesn't have to true will to really be a winner. The teams overall lack of discipline is evidence of that. Sure Nielson can turn it around but every year that comes and goes makes that more and more unlikely. At this point I don't think he will even get that program near the level of where the Jacks are right now. I'll say it again, I don't disagree with you. Nielsen and his staff deserve the criticism. If this season doesn't show real tangible improvement, I'm open to parting ways. But it's absurd to think that firing the coach in the first week of the season will translate to success. Those decisions are made in January when coaches finish up bowl/playoff season. We need a fiery coach that's built a tradition of winning at this level or higher, and I don't think that particular guy is sitting at home waiting for a job offer in September. Sure we could have tried to replace Nielsen in between the spring season and now, but then we'd have ended up with a forced hire like a Liepold which puts us right back where we started. A guy that's won a bunch of titles in D2/3 and takes a bigger job for a few years before he retires. Wait until after the season when the talent pool is full, then we can have the hard conversations about Nielsen's future here. My original post on this topic was specifically targeted to the small minority here that are calling for his head after a week 1 loss to Kansas. Now, KU sucks that's a given, but any Big12 school should have, if nothing else, a lot of talent on the roster. Our team, who I've said before is not overly talented, went out there and was clearly the better team, so I'm taking that away as a positive. There were way more positives than negatives last night honestly. It's a tough loss because it was a great opportunity, but I feel much better about where we're at as a team after one game than I did after the first game in the spring season. |
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Post by teamsd on Sept 4, 2021 7:01:46 GMT -6
What did everyone think of the wildcat plays?
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Post by gopheryote on Sept 4, 2021 7:07:47 GMT -6
The good: Both lines controlled the game, especially the D line. The 2 RB's are very very talented. Cody Case played!
The bad: Only scoring twice? Really? QB play struggled, as is well documented in this thread.
The ugly: Field position was awful all night.
I have become accustomed to the offense playing well enough to win but the D struggling - it was weird to watch the opposite play out.
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Post by gopheryote on Sept 4, 2021 7:09:16 GMT -6
What did everyone think of the wildcat plays? I didn't like the timing of when then were called. But in retrospect, that was likely the coaching staff actively trying to get Lewis involved - which I'm all for. |
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Post by bobo on Sept 4, 2021 8:45:51 GMT -6
To be honest, the defense absolutely played a game well enough to win by at least 2 touchdowns. Yes, we can argue about the conservative approach at the end, but we all should expect a win after that defensive performance.
On the other side of the ball, the lack of a consistency in running the ball and too many shot plays that Camp was obviously not connecting on or reading out correctly caused short, stagnanted drives with no rhythm. On top of that, we have some very twitchy and athletic inside WRs that can work the perimeter and middle of the field on short to intermediate routes, but we chose to attack vertically all night. Heck, one of them didn’t even play but a handful of snaps all night even though he was one of the top WRs in the spring. At some point, you need to get your QB in rhythm, run the ball, and take your shots when you feel it’s necessary. Nice running game and that’s a huge plus. Lots of work to do!!
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Post by captaincoyote on Sept 4, 2021 13:57:14 GMT -6
It says a lot that Tyler Tsagalis is not even second string, but he really is the only QB who would know the offense as well as or more than camp. Can he at least not be as indecisive as Camp? Who really knows, but the passing game needs consistency over a big arm right now.
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Post by obc on Sept 4, 2021 14:29:57 GMT -6
The passion, energy, and effort looked to be there for the Yotes in the KU game. That was something that was missing most of the Spring and often in previous seasons. If the team can keep bringing that kind of effort every day at practice and for the games, the team will have a solid year and improve. Camp will keep improving with experience. Simmons and Streveler did not start for USD until they were at least four years deep into college. Camp is a RS Freshman. The team needs to support him and make plays around him as he gets more comfortable. Finally the defense looks formidable. The tackling and aggression was as good as we have ever seen on a D1 Yote team. Come out and dominate Northern Arizona next week and keep building - that will build some momentum into Cal Poly and then the MVFC schedule. This needs to be a winning season for the program. It is time. No excuses.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 4, 2021 21:32:59 GMT -6
The passion, energy, and effort looked to be there for the Yotes in the KU game. That was something that was missing most of the Spring and often in previous seasons. If the team can keep bringing that kind of effort every day at practice and for the games, the team will have a solid year and improve. Camp will keep improving with experience. Simmons and Streveler did not start for USD until they were at least four years deep into college. Camp is a RS Freshman. The team needs to support him and make plays around him as he gets more comfortable. Finally the defense looks formidable. The tackling and aggression was as good as we have ever seen on a D1 Yote team. Come out and dominate Northern Arizona next week and keep building - that will build some momentum into Cal Poly and then the MVFC schedule. This needs to be a winning season for the program. It is time. No excuses. The thing is, many people have been saying that this needs to be a winning season but when it is not nothing ends up happening. The problem is that there is no accountability and no real consequences. That is how a country club atmosphere is run. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 4, 2021 21:37:04 GMT -6
Winning has never really been an urgent priority and I have not seen much to change my mind. Coyote fans always find a way to rationize the losing. It needs to be a no excuse business or nothing will change. Herbster made a big statement by extending Nielson when he had done nothing to deserve it. That is the exact reason that the faith meter is pretty low. That simply can't happen and it did. That was all on herbster and was a bad decision.
When will the University of South Dakota truly prioritize winner. The Nielson extension and the Glenn era absolutely tells me that winning certainly isn't a big priority but being loyal to the country club mentality is
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Post by fightsd on Sept 4, 2021 21:39:53 GMT -6
The passion, energy, and effort looked to be there for the Yotes in the KU game. That was something that was missing most of the Spring and often in previous seasons. If the team can keep bringing that kind of effort every day at practice and for the games, the team will have a solid year and improve. Camp will keep improving with experience. Simmons and Streveler did not start for USD until they were at least four years deep into college. Camp is a RS Freshman. The team needs to support him and make plays around him as he gets more comfortable. Finally the defense looks formidable. The tackling and aggression was as good as we have ever seen on a D1 Yote team. Come out and dominate Northern Arizona next week and keep building - that will build some momentum into Cal Poly and then the MVFC schedule. This needs to be a winning season for the program. It is time. No excuses. The thing is, many people have been saying that this needs to be a winning season but when it is not nothing ends up happening. The problem is that there is no accountability and no real consequences. That is how a country club atmosphere is run. You can't have a revolving door at head coach. That turns into a toxic program where you won't be able to attract players OR coaches. I think the majority here is in agreement that if this season isn't a massive improvement then it's time to figure out what the next move is in terms of personnel. We get it, you want him fired. Everyone knows where you stand. We don't really need to go through this every time the team underpreforms. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 4, 2021 21:47:57 GMT -6
The reason there is a revolving door actually falls on the AD. If the AD would get this right there would be no need for a revolving door. But we can just settle on a mediocre program and shut down that revolving door. Settling on a mediocre coach is like giving up on expecting a winning program and if that happens the fans will eventually give up as well.
Looks at women's basketball. There has been a revolving door there but the coaches on the other side have always been good.
I think after Nielson is gone USD should just let an experienced outsider firm to make the decision. USD itself simply doesn't get football right.
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