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Post by Yotes on Sept 9, 2021 17:28:11 GMT -6
We've had this scheduling debate many times over. I think we need a money game, but beyond that need to secure "easy" D1 wins to help maximize our chances of making the playoffs. Playoff bids would help build some momentum in recruiting and lord knows we get enough quality competition in those 8 conference games. Don't need to pile Montana or someone on top of that.
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Post by fightsd on Sept 9, 2021 18:54:24 GMT -6
We've had this scheduling debate many times over. I think we need a money game, but beyond that need to secure "easy" D1 wins to help maximize our chances of making the playoffs. Playoff bids would help build some momentum in recruiting and lord knows we get enough quality competition in those 8 conference games. Don't need to pile Montana or someone on top of that. I guess I agree with that. I just have a real problem with the attitude of it all. "We need to schedule easy wins instead of beating tougher opponents" sounds pretty lame. It also creates a false sense of accomplishment. Is a 6 or 7 win season even impressive when half of them are gimme games? Even if you end up in the playoffs with that record, you'll get exposed and embarrassed when you have to face another valley team. |
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Post by elcoyote on Sept 9, 2021 21:37:25 GMT -6
We've had this scheduling debate many times over. I think we need a money game, but beyond that need to secure "easy" D1 wins to help maximize our chances of making the playoffs. Playoff bids would help build some momentum in recruiting and lord knows we get enough quality competition in those 8 conference games. Don't need to pile Montana or someone on top of that. I guess I agree with that. I just have a real problem with the attitude of it all. "We need to schedule easy wins instead of beating tougher opponents" sounds pretty lame. It also creates a false sense of accomplishment. Is a 6 or 7 win season even impressive when half of them are gimme games? Even if you end up in the playoffs with that record, you'll get exposed and embarrassed when you have to face another valley team. Why? Some of the Valley teams already do this and it doesn't seem to hurt their playoff chances at all or their competitiveness in the conference. Most of the lesser lights in the MVFC are tougher than the top teams in other conferences. |
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Post by Yotes on Sept 9, 2021 22:32:04 GMT -6
If Alabama can play Western Carolina in week 10 without shame then we can play a Pioneer team every year.
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Post by fightsd on Sept 10, 2021 7:13:44 GMT -6
The difference for me is that NDSU, State and the likes have proven they are a perennially a championship threat in the league. They've already established themselves as a top-tier team and they, along with the rest of the FCS, know they belong in the contender conversation regardless of who they play outside the conference. As it stands right now, we would be an absolute juggernaut out on the east coast but still have a ways to go to compete in the conference, where it counts. The fact of the matter is, we can trick ourselves into thinking we're a great team by beating up on a bunch of lesser competition then get brought back to reality in a harsh way when we have to play the teams from our own conference. Or, we could become one of those teams that doesn't have to prove anything to anybody and don't need to tune up on some team from the Patriot League.
And when we start winning 90% of our conference games and make it to the national championship game every other year like Alabama, I might change my mind about scheduling gimme games.
Iron sharpens iron gentlemen. You don't get better running up the score on Drake. And right now, that's what we need - to get better. There's no shortcuts or easy way to get there. Just having a winning season doesn't make it a successful one when you beat a bunch of nobodies.
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Post by yotefan on Sept 10, 2021 7:46:53 GMT -6
Good news, bad news.
Good news: Since 2004 I have been bringing a few buddies to a Coyote football game at least once a year. One is a longtime season ticket holder at Nebraska. About 3 years ago, on about our 15th Miller Light, as we basked in the glow of the jumbotron in the parking lot, my Husker-backer buddy started asking questions. How much for this tailgate spot? Can we seriously come out at halftime and drink beer? How much for season tickets? He started comparing the experience he was having that day with the experience at Nebraska. Long story short, my friend and aguy he brought to the game that day now hold 9 season tickets for Coyote football. My buddy has 4 kids. Oldest is a senior in high school and USD is in the mix.
Bad news: I can't attend Saturday. I have 3 tickets, row 5, just off 50 yard line, east side. If interested PM me.
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Post by jackjd on Sept 10, 2021 9:05:16 GMT -6
With success on the gridiron, comes scheduling difficulties. NDSU is the best example. The Bison cannot seem to land an FBS game anymore because they have won too many money games against FBS opponents. Non-MVFC FCS teams that have a shot at making the playoffs aren't interested in traveling to Fargo for a likely loss. So, NDSU has to schedule the best it can but the pickings can be slim.
SDSU is starting to run into similar scheduling challenges although not as severe as what the Bison face. The Jacks have FBS games scheduled for the next few years but those games were scheduled in the past few years when FBS schools had already concluded playing the Bison was too risky.
Some may wonder why SDSU is playing D-2 Lindenwood on Saturday. A win over Lindenwood does nothing for FCS playoff consideration. This Saturday's game in Brookings against Lindenwod is another example of the scheduling problems schools can face. Lindenwood, led by former U of Sioux Falls Coach Jed Stugart (2nd season), moved from NAIA to NCAA D-2 in 2012.and now plays football in the Great Lakes Valley Conference. Lindenwood had a game scheduled with Delta State University out of Mississippi, another NCAA D-2 program. Delta State backed out of its game against Lindenwood. Stugart was looking for a game. Meanwhile, SDSU had scheduled Tarleton State University, a Texas school which just joined the Western Athletic Conference (FCS) after a long and successful stay in D-2. Tarleton's first of the four provisional seasons in the move to D-1 is this year -- but, I understand Tarleton is a "counter" for purposes of FCS football playoffs. Well, Tarleton backed out of the game in Brookings. Coach Stig was looking for an opponent late in the scheduling season. The coaches at Lindenwood and SDSU know each other well and they connected up and agreed to play.
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Post by captaincoyote on Sept 10, 2021 10:28:06 GMT -6
That makes sense. It's not often that I can say that to a Jacks fan.  |
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 10, 2021 10:37:40 GMT -6
Jackjd is a good person. He’s extremely reasonable to debate, discuss, etc with.
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Post by fightsd on Sept 10, 2021 10:38:39 GMT -6
Jackjd is a good person. He’s extremely reasonable to debate, discuss, etc with. Yeah but with one pretty major character flaw... |
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 10, 2021 10:45:22 GMT -6
Lol…funny. Can’t argue that.
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Post by elcoyote on Sept 10, 2021 10:47:24 GMT -6
Jackjd is a good person. He’s extremely reasonable to debate, discuss, etc with. Yeah but with one pretty major character flaw... ... like when he comes on here under an different moniker posing as a Coyote fan. |
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Post by elcoyote on Sept 10, 2021 10:55:01 GMT -6
The difference for me is that NDSU, State and the likes have proven they are a perennially a championship threat in the league. They've already established themselves as a top-tier team and they, along with the rest of the FCS, know they belong in the contender conversation regardless of who they play outside the conference. As it stands right now, we would be an absolute juggernaut out on the east coast but still have a ways to go to compete in the conference, where it counts. The fact of the matter is, we can trick ourselves into thinking we're a great team by beating up on a bunch of lesser competition then get brought back to reality in a harsh way when we have to play the teams from our own conference. Or, we could become one of those teams that doesn't have to prove anything to anybody and don't need to tune up on some team from the Patriot League. And when we start winning 90% of our conference games and make it to the national championship game every other year like Alabama, I might change my mind about scheduling gimme games. Iron sharpens iron gentlemen. You don't get better running up the score on Drake. And right now, that's what we need - to get better. There's no shortcuts or easy way to get there. Just having a winning season doesn't make it a successful one when you beat a bunch of nobodies. In 2017 our out of conference games were Drake, who was crushed, Bowling Green and UND, who both struggled that season. Not exactly murderer's row. After winning those three games in convincing fashion, the 'Yotes went 4-4 in league play, qualified for the playoffs, beat Nichols State and then lost to Sam Houston in a barnburner. I don't care how it's done, I just want USD in the playoffs. |
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Post by Yotes on Sept 10, 2021 17:33:35 GMT -6
The difference for me is that NDSU, State and the likes have proven they are a perennially a championship threat in the league. They've already established themselves as a top-tier team and they, along with the rest of the FCS, know they belong in the contender conversation regardless of who they play outside the conference. As it stands right now, we would be an absolute juggernaut out on the east coast but still have a ways to go to compete in the conference, where it counts. The fact of the matter is, we can trick ourselves into thinking we're a great team by beating up on a bunch of lesser competition then get brought back to reality in a harsh way when we have to play the teams from our own conference. Or, we could become one of those teams that doesn't have to prove anything to anybody and don't need to tune up on some team from the Patriot League. And when we start winning 90% of our conference games and make it to the national championship game every other year like Alabama, I might change my mind about scheduling gimme games. Iron sharpens iron gentlemen. You don't get better running up the score on Drake. And right now, that's what we need - to get better. There's no shortcuts or easy way to get there. Just having a winning season doesn't make it a successful one when you beat a bunch of nobodies. In 2017 our out of conference games were Drake, who was crushed, Bowling Green and UND, who both struggled that season. Not exactly murderer's row. After winning those three games in convincing fashion, the 'Yotes went 4-4 in league play, qualified for the playoffs, beat Nichols State and then lost to Sam Houston in a barnburner. I don't care how it's done, I just want USD in the playoffs. I'd wager that was comfortably our easiest non-conference schedule since joining the MVFC. That 4-4 easily could (should?) have been 6-2 even. The quality of the non-conference competition didn't seem to have any bearing on the team's preparedness. I've been buying more season tickets than I need for several years. That was the one season where I had no trouble filling the extra seats. There are a lot of concrete perks to an easier schedule. I don't want to play cupcakes forever, but a building program has good reason to schedule them. |
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Post by fightsd on Sept 11, 2021 12:49:33 GMT -6
Not much to gripe about after Q1. Offense looked good. Defense looks like they're picking up where they left off in Lawrence.
I don't like the double reverse trick play call on the 3rd drive. We were pounding it down their ass, just keep leaning on em!
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