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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 13, 2021 19:15:07 GMT -6
Yeah, I was east of the Dome. The lot immediately south of the Dome being priority parking and empty is an issue that needs fixed. I did see some setups in the grass lot to the west and some even way far to the east by the track in the lots over there.
Agree that it is fractured and there should be more available for drive up tailgating and it not all be reserved.
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Post by easmus on Sept 14, 2021 6:32:11 GMT -6
Interesting that the university added more parking and people are complaining about it. That new lot to the south of the SCSC is priority parking. Why is that a good thing? Because it will allow in the future for them to move some of the priority parking out of the east lot down to the south so they can expand the tailgate nation lot. Now we just need more people dedicated to tailgating every game, bot just once or twice per year.
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 14, 2021 7:57:19 GMT -6
Just complaining that it was priority and sat pretty much empty from what I saw when I walked through there. There are people on here that want to tailgate but can't afford the donor level to get a reserved spot. On top of that you have half those reserved spots sit empty most of the season as they get used once a year. I get that it's about revenue but we also need fans and should be inclusive to as many economic demos as we can as we can't afford to turn anyone away. Truth is if a bunch of us didn't pool resources and have friends I wouldn't tailgate either.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 14, 2021 14:51:47 GMT -6
Just complaining that it was priority and sat pretty much empty from what I saw when I walked through there. There are people on here that want to tailgate but can't afford the donor level to get a reserved spot. On top of that you have half those reserved spots sit empty most of the season as they get used once a year. I get that it's about revenue but we also need fans and should be inclusive to as many economic demos as we can as we can't afford to turn anyone away. Truth is if a bunch of us didn't pool resources and have friends I wouldn't tailgate either. Well said. SD always has taken care of their big donors and any Howling Pack member. I think the time to cater more to the everyday fan has long been over due. Every person that walks in that door to attend a Coyote sporting event should be made to feel important regardless of who they are. That is how you go from a 3000 person crowd to a 5 or 6K person crowd a little more often. Winning and the more we get covid in the rear view mirror certainly won't hurt. We have now eliminated the facilities argument from any reason why someone wouldn't attend. |
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Post by easmus on Sept 14, 2021 19:59:56 GMT -6
It doesn’t require a HP donation to have a spot in tailgate nation at this time. There just aren’t spots available in the main lot. I was fortunate enough to get in early enough to snag one and have been there for about 6 seasons. But they did add grass spots this year to accommodate more people into tailgate nation and hopefully be able to move more of the priority parking to the new lot to accommodate even more people.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 14, 2021 20:39:10 GMT -6
Interesting that the university added more parking and people are complaining about it. That new lot to the south of the SCSC is priority parking. Why is that a good thing? Because it will allow in the future for them to move some of the priority parking out of the east lot down to the south so they can expand the tailgate nation lot. Now we just need more people dedicated to tailgating every game, bot just once or twice per year. It's a good thing that existing tailgating was killed in favor of maybe having some in the future? Anyone who thinks that "priority" fans are going to be the anchor that grows tailgating is misguided. The university needs to do whatever it can to attract common people to have a great gameday experience and become loyal fans. SDSU has this part right. Open lots for all to come have a good time in. Instead we've paved over lots like that in favor of gratifying a couple people who would never tailgate anyways. |
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Post by easmus on Sept 15, 2021 6:06:55 GMT -6
Interesting that the university added more parking and people are complaining about it. That new lot to the south of the SCSC is priority parking. Why is that a good thing? Because it will allow in the future for them to move some of the priority parking out of the east lot down to the south so they can expand the tailgate nation lot. Now we just need more people dedicated to tailgating every game, bot just once or twice per year. It's a good thing that existing tailgating was killed in favor of maybe having some in the future? Anyone who thinks that "priority" fans are going to be the anchor that grows tailgating is misguided. The university needs to do whatever it can to attract common people to have a great gameday experience and become loyal fans. SDSU has this part right. Open lots for all to come have a good time in. Instead we've paved over lots like that in favor of gratifying a couple people who would never tailgate anyways. I am viewing it from a long term plan. There have been people clamoring for more tailgate spots available in the main lots, and this should allow this to happen by moving a bunch of priority parking around to the south. |
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 15, 2021 8:13:21 GMT -6
Oh c’mon. You make it sound like you have to give thousands of dollars to get a spot. That’s simply not true. Let’s hit the reset and talk about this and not let it fester.
Let’s start with what it takes to get a tailgate spot on East side. I believe the amount is $500 Howling Pack membership plus the small cost of the parking spot. That’s not only reasonable, it’s inexpensive compared to any other program around. Secondly, Coyote Fan has consistently bashed and discredited “large donors and Howling Pack members” and pushed for equal rights to amenities for those that don’t give. Really? Two thoughts come to mind. Someone that has given a significant amount towards the capital campaign to build the arena and renovate the Dome shouldn’t get anything in exchange? Try being the AD and telling a potential large gift donor they would appreciate and accept his/her gift but you have to park on the street by the Holiday Inn. Are you serious.
Secondly, Coyote Fan thinks he and others aren’t treated fairly or with respect or important because they don’t give. He wants the ability to park outside the Dome on any given Saturday with merely his purchase of a ticket. Not a season ticket mind you, just a single game ticket. Yet, he’s not coming if he feels the Coyotes aren’t performing every week at a championship level. So now the administration makes a decision to accommodate him so he feels important but because we got beat the week before he’s not coming so the parking lot is empty anyway. He’s only coming if we win. Period. Guess what? So are a few thousand others. Many fans are fickle. If we have 7-8 wins heading into SDSU game bet your butt that tickets will be at a premium.
Now the comment he doesn’t feel important walking into the Dome. My guess is the young man or lady electronically scanning his ticket doesn’t have a clue where he sits or if this is his 3rd game or 1st. They simply scan the ticket and say thank you for coming and enjoy the game. That’s kind and respectful.
I will concur and agree with the one policy administration has I don’t care for is the fact many entities pay a good amount to have a tailgate spot and only use it once a year. DakotaDays. That’s it. I have questioned it myself. And yes it is revenue driven. It angers me to see those spots empty like last Saturday when it’s so gorgeous out it would have been packed. I offered a potential solution to that and it goes in one of two ways. First, only sell tailgate passes on a game by game basis where you can pick and choose what games you want OR you can buy a season pass at a much higher rate ( like I pay for ) and get the use for all games. Much like a season ticket. That way if a politician or bank entity wants to use it only during Ddays, then the general fan base has access to the other games. Much like a season ticket in football.
If I was AD I would generate the revenue from the tailgate spots as they do. However, I would have a “resale” program my office would administrate that would allow my employees to reach out to the owner of the tailgate spot and be able to resell it to Yote 53 or Coyote Fan or whomever. That would in particular fill it up each game and give everyone the opportunity to the spaces.
I’ll close by saying this. If you don’t cater to those that made and or make significant annual donations by giving them things like priority parking or whatever, then you’ll NEVER get donations. God knows we don’t make budget on ticket sales so we need donations and parking revenue to make up part of that gap. That is why I clamor for everyone to buy season tickets AND join the Howling Pack if they can….not contingent on whether they are winning or not. We simply don’t have the resources to do that.
Lastly, I have said this before but I’ll say it again. I tailgate in the northeast corner of the parking lot where the Big Red Bus and portable bar are. EVERYONE on this board is welcome to join us. If you know you’re coming it would be nice to know in advance so we can prepare the amount of food we need to accommodate you and your guests, but you’re welcome to come anyway. If you want to chip in to pay for food and drink you can, but not necessary.
Don’t let this parking lot issue blow up into something it’s not. There are alternatives. If you have a request or need, let me know. I can try and help you get it. Let’s focus on supporting the Coyotes.
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Post by captaincoyote on Sept 15, 2021 9:24:01 GMT -6
I mostly agree with Yoteforever's points. I would only tweak the tailgate management strategy to require people to RSVP by the Tuesday before gameday. If that RSVP is not submitted by then, staff should leave one call/voicemail and email with the renter and another 24 hours before opening the spot back up to the public on Wednesday. The original spot holder should also only be reimbursed half of what they paid for the spot. That would make it next to impossible for spots to remain unfilled if people have paid for them.
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 15, 2021 9:29:38 GMT -6
Agree on the resale part. Agree on the need for the donor lots, and the East lot is prime, convenient real estate that should command a higher price. Every school has a donor lot or lots. I do, however, believe the University should offer drive-up tailgating in the other lots that are farther away that cater to the single game user or those that can only come a couple games a year or those that simply can't afford extra donations. Like I've previously said, this doesn't apply to me, I'm just advocating for others. The more to the party the merrier. I made my comment about Lot 39 Priority Parking because when I came in Lot 36 General Parking was pretty full and Lot 39 was completely empty. It's a new lot though so I'm sure there is a growing and adjustment period as things get sorted out. I'm pretty sure you can tailgate in the General Parking area (the Grass Lot) immediately across the street to the west of the Dome. I also believe it's pretty cheap. I do wish they would expand that option to additional lots. Personally, I'd open that option up to Lot 36 South of the SCSC but, admittedly, I don't know what that would do to parking congestion. In the end I'm just for bringing in the most fans possible and making it a fun gameday atmosphere. goyotes.com/sports/2015/3/9/tickets-parking.aspx |
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Post by easmus on Sept 15, 2021 15:18:23 GMT -6
I for one believe that when I get my ticket scanned, the scanner should genuflect to me so I feel special. Then after the game the team should sing the school song to me personally so I feel appreciated.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 16, 2021 19:51:27 GMT -6
I'm a day late coming back to this, still holding strong opinions that apparently aren't well received here (comparisons to Coyotefan hurt lol). I don't need to derail everything though. I can see it isn't productive. I however do want to make clear to anyone unfamiliar that the quote below is 100% true. The big red bus is a very welcoming place - in Vermillion or on the road. If you seek a place to be they are happy to have you (in a dream tailgate setup, no less). I know I've done so in Verm, Cedar Falls, Manhattan, Norman and probably more. We are all in this together. I hope people see this even when we disagree. Lastly, I have said this before but I’ll say it again. I tailgate in the northeast corner of the parking lot where the Big Red Bus and portable bar are. EVERYONE on this board is welcome to join us. If you know you’re coming it would be nice to know in advance so we can prepare the amount of food we need to accommodate you and your guests, but you’re welcome to come anyway. If you want to chip in to pay for food and drink you can, but not necessary |
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 17, 2021 12:03:42 GMT -6
I'm a day late coming back to this, still holding strong opinions that apparently aren't well received here (comparisons to Coyotefan hurt lol). I don't need to derail everything though. I can see it isn't productive. I however do want to make clear to anyone unfamiliar that the quote below is 100% true. The big red bus is a very welcoming place - in Vermillion or on the road. If you seek a place to be they are happy to have you (in a dream tailgate setup, no less). I know I've done so in Verm, Cedar Falls, Manhattan, Norman and probably more. We are all in this together. I hope people see this even when we disagree. Lastly, I have said this before but I’ll say it again. I tailgate in the northeast corner of the parking lot where the Big Red Bus and portable bar are. EVERYONE on this board is welcome to join us. If you know you’re coming it would be nice to know in advance so we can prepare the amount of food we need to accommodate you and your guests, but you’re welcome to come anyway. If you want to chip in to pay for food and drink you can, but not necessary My point in my long post was to say I honestly don’t think it’s as bad as some make it out to be. The administration needs to re-examine the policy on parking lot tailgating. I personally have gone on record saying not to lease out those spots to politicians who only use it on Dakota Days. If they insist on doing that then look into the alternatives I’ve offered up. I want to make this a place that is hopping on Saturday’s. If you’ve never been to a game in Fargo, let me tell you that is a complete hell hole to play in, or even be a fan of the visiting team. They are down right nasty. And malicious. I think we can create that sort of atmosphere here without being an asshat. Noise, noise, and more noise. And that comes when the average fan has had the same game day experience everyone had and feels part of the program. Keep coming up with ideas on how to make that happen. I’ll certainly carry the torch to the AD. He wants the same thing we do. Crowds and noise ( and revenue ) Think about the predicament he gets put into. One of the BANKS buys up the parking pass for the football season and takes maybe 10 spots. They are decent givers, not great, but more than the average giver. Yet they use that lot 1 time each year to entertain. Dakota Days. So the other 4 games it goes unused. This is the situation he finds himself placed in. It’s not alwAys easy to fix. I’ll say it again. The Big Red Bus in the northeast corner accepts everyone. They even have a full time bar. Food is awesome and tv is on some game. Just let me know if you’re coming and how many so we can be half assed prepared to have drought food and beverage. You can make a free will donation if you feel compelled. No one will think anything of it….I promise you |
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Post by hondo on Sept 17, 2021 13:32:53 GMT -6
my group was one of the original tailgate groups, and we had a blast, first there, last to leave, thats when you showed up and tailgated anywhere, then understandably it was put in one location but it seems like its been in constant flux since, from one spot to another then split up into different areas. when the interest started to fade with our group was when everything was split into 3 groups the area on the east side of the dome the students were where the practice field is now and the grass area south of the hotel, we all enjoyed the people the mix of students alumni and the average fans, everyone could enjoy the the band the cheerleaders charlie etc ( the whole game day experience) i know that there isnt enough room to have it all in one spot unless you get creative, i guess the thing im trying to say is at one time when everyone was together it was an experience everyone could enjoy equally. when things split up it seemed to take on a kind of a status situation, we never ever thought or felt that we or the average fan was unwelcome but it just wasnt the same. we are trying to get the group back together but not much luck. I grew up in town and can remember sneaking into inman field with the band with all my buddies so i HAVE loved the yotes since i was in grade school that will never change, the average fan wants what eveyone else does large vocal crowds a fun tailgate and a winning program. from my perspective tailgating needs a spot where everyone and everything is together. i wrote this to give another type of fans perspective and in no way shape or form was it written to complain, what it is now is leaps and bounds from where it was 10 - 15 years ago. just an opinion. GO YOTES!!! AND KICK SOME TAIL IN CALI SATURDAY
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Post by yote4ever on Sept 17, 2021 18:50:04 GMT -6
Based upon the NAU game I am not even sure where the student tailgate was located..I have been have a tailgate spot for 15+ years...started under the cottonwood trees and now in the parking lot. We had fun then and we have fun now. I feel like the U treats the student tailgate like a second hand store....whatever is unused they get to use it...then we move them if we want the space. I understand the aspect of rewarding big donors; but given the fact every student is invested in the program through fees, enrollment and friends, we should not be pushing them off the back forty. Their tailgates may be loud and fun, (and maybe overboard for D Days,) but it is who they are and we were. The University is missing opportunities by not getting feedback from the tailgate nation on the placement of the students. Keep 'em close, not far away.
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