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Post by easmus on Sept 25, 2021 22:35:08 GMT -6
The turning point was the inability to (once again) convert in short yardage at the goal line. There were chances after that and terrible calls against us but we made our own bed by not converting. Camp needs that run game to keep us on schedule because when we have to go straight drop back on 3rd & long with a DL like MOST he gets spooked. He is young and still learning and he will have freshman mistakes. The DL looked to be stunting, sometimes it worked great and others we opened an escape lane for their QB to run for 1st downs. TOP was even in 1st half, but inability to even get 1st downs in Q3 killed our defense. Blocked XP was a factor, but hard to blame special teams in this one considering the KO TD.
We started to look tired in the 2nd half and you certainly wonder what factor it was having back to back road trips and the opponent having a bye the prior week.
Season is far from over. I think we are plenty capable of winning the next 2 home games, @ UNI will be tough, Illinois St @ home is winnable. So let’s get to 5 wins before the bye and see what we can do in November.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 25, 2021 22:45:10 GMT -6
We also have to keep in mind that line play against Big Sky teams and line play vs MVFC teams is a completely different ballgame. There is no conference that is as strong on the lines as this one and it likely isn't even close. It was just too easy for the Coyotes to bully the last two opponents but when they meet their match in the trenches they are not imaginative enough to overcome it. The Coyotes are not a team that is very good at in game adjustments. Much of that falls on Nielson. There always has to be a plan B and C. It seems like when plan A isn't working the Coyotes are kind of lost. In this conference the Coyotes are going to have to use the short passing game as a way of ball control and as a way of moving the chains. They also need to learn to mix things up better and pass a little more on first down and maybe run a little more on 2nd and 3rd downs. Just keep the other team on their heels like they did against N Ari and Cal Poly. The Coyotes weren't keeping their energy up in the second half and that contributed to being defeated.
If the Yotes are going to have a real good chance at playoff talk they have to win home vs Indiana State and vs North Dakota and no longer have the breathing room to split like they would have with a win vs MSU. The schedule is going to get brutal after that.
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Post by sdyotefan on Sept 26, 2021 1:02:53 GMT -6
The Coyotes battled and fought for 4 Qs against a MSU team that is better than their spring team with the addition of their xfer QB.
We had at 3 15 yd penalties for unsportsmanlike penalties which should not happen!!
This officiating crew was in way over their heads for many obvious reasons but also I don't remember any O holding penalties on either team. Toward the end Vander Esch was definitely interfered with in the end zone even the announcers called it.
Learn from this game and ROLL on D Days!!! Go Yotes!!!
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Post by highsmoke on Sept 26, 2021 3:15:29 GMT -6
Looks like another 2 win season
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Post by fightsd on Sept 26, 2021 6:58:56 GMT -6
Man I'm still passed off from last night. It's incredible how we fell apart in after halftime. We took the recipe we had on offense for the past 3 weeks and abandoned it after a couple series of not being able to run up the middle. Now we are asking a freshman QB to take shots on first down then having to play behind the sticks. RUN. THE. FOOTBAL.
I've said it a million times on here, but dammit dial up some pressure on defense. I'm more confident in our secondary this year than I have been in a while, but we're still not built to cover for that long. Especially against a scrambling QB. Blitz his ass, put a spy on him, something. Rushing 3 and having everyone else 10 yards down field in coverage doesn't work against that kind of guy.
And for the few of you that didn't like my suggestion in the off-season to go heavy on the transfer portal, last night is an example of the kind of team you can build in a short time with transfers. Bobby Petrino is a piece of work, but he managed to take a crap MSU team and add enough talent for them to compete in the conference.
Let's learn from it and move on. We need 5 more wins. Maybe 4 but it's a super long shot. I think those winnable games are still on the schedule. It starts this weekend for DDAYS. I'll be in town the whole weekend. Taking Friday off to go to Verm. This should be a get-right game. Take care of business so I can party like it's 2009 (my college glory days lol) on Saturday night instead of sulking around like I have been since last night.
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Post by gopheryote on Sept 26, 2021 7:36:24 GMT -6
I didn't get to see the 2nd half (sounds like that may have been a blessing). Quick question - was Johnathan Lewis unavailable? Sure seems like he would have been able to get across the goal line with 4 chances from the 1 yard line (even in shotgun). It also wouldn't have required Camp to take the beating of trying to do it that way.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 26, 2021 8:22:04 GMT -6
Looks like another 2 win season Remarkable that you've only shown up in the shadows of losses. How about if we get to 3 wins you stay away for the rest of the year?
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Post by sdyotefan on Sept 26, 2021 8:22:25 GMT -6
Kudos to Wes Eliodor and the KO return team on the 99 yd return! Great run and blocking! Seconds longest in Coyote history and first since 2008!
I was fortunate to see both of Bobby Koch's returns for TDs in a season (a Yote record in the 60s).
Go for 3 or more!!
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Post by captaincoyote on Sept 26, 2021 9:30:58 GMT -6
Man I'm still passed off from last night. It's incredible how we fell apart in after halftime. We took the recipe we had on offense for the past 3 weeks and abandoned it after a couple series of not being able to run up the middle. Now we are asking a freshman QB to take shots on first down then having to play behind the sticks. RUN. THE. FOOTBAL. I've said it a million times on here, but dammit dial up some pressure on defense. I'm more confident in our secondary this year than I have been in a while, but we're still not built to cover for that long. Especially against a scrambling QB. Blitz his ass, put a spy on him, something. Rushing 3 and having everyone else 10 yards down field in coverage doesn't work against that kind of guy. ???Over committing to running straight at MSU's war daddy DTs was a major issue last night and we do a lot of blitzing. As others have said, we needed more quick passes to loosen up their D. I do agree, however, that we put ourselves behind the chains too often by trying to be a quick strike offense, but maybe that is because our coaches recognize that we suck within 10 yards of the goal line. But if they know that, then why did we bypass the high probability lead extending FG after being stuffed on two straight running attempts? Gah!!
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Post by easmus on Sept 26, 2021 9:56:25 GMT -6
So many things to second guess. Razor thin margins in the MVFC. Hated seeing Lawrence get hurt, but doubly bad was that the injury was so bad that he fumbled reaching for the leg. I believe they scored on the very next play. Double whammy.
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Post by 88grad on Sept 26, 2021 13:03:01 GMT -6
Without question there were positives coming out of last night. Unfortunately the negatives were the same negatives.
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 27, 2021 14:26:26 GMT -6
I wanted to totally calm down before I posted. Those two teams were evenly matched. They out yarded us by a small amount, our special teams out performed them. The difference maker was their QB. A Wal-Mart version of Streveler but nonetheless cost us. We didn’t contain the ends. In fairness, the QB was extremely quick and elusive. Many of their gains were due to our coverage being good.
That team was the “chipiest” team I’ve ever been around. Talk, talk, talk. Constantly taking it to the limit. What resulted from that? 3 penalties on the Coyotes because we swallowed their bait. MSU should’ve been flagged 2 times minimum for unsportsmanlike conduct but they weren’t. Those are times you must maintain your composure. We didn’t and it cost us.
End of game. Twice we were inside their 10. On 3rd down our receiver was mugged in the end zone. In fact the defender blurted out $hit thinking the call was coming. It didn’t. There was another call where it was interference but not gonna get it on the road. We turn it over on downs and literally they fumble it back to us and we pick it up and carry it to the 7. BUT there was a half ass whistle sound from the line judge on our side that threw it into controversy. The refs gather for what seemed like an eternity and the referee says the official ruling on the field was forward progress was stopped prior to the fumble. I was in the sideline and a friend of mine filmed it on his phone and the ball came out at the time of initial contact. Then came the wussy whistle noise from line judge. What you have at that point is an inadvertent whistle. What that means is we had the recovery, and should’ve had the ball where it was recovered and because if early whistle we wouldn’t have been allowed to advance the ball. But instead, the line judge WOULD NOT admit his early whistle, so when they conferred to talk it out, the only way out of it for the refs was to say forward progress had been stopped. By making that ruling I don’t know if that prevented it from being reviewed. But in any case it should’ve been our ball.
All that being said, we still would’ve had to punch it in and get the 2 point conversion. That’s up in the air. But the point is we should’ve had the opportunity to do so. Also going back to the obvious interference in the end zone on 3rd down, and we would’ve gotten the ball on the 2 yard line with a fresh set of downs.
This same crap happened at KU with the targeting call. That call cost us the game. The lack of calls at the end potentially cost us the game.
My takeaway is the MSU players got inside our heads with their chippiness. We have to be bigger than that. This team should be 3-1 or 4-0 right now. I still believe we are an upper half MVFC team. My hope is they don’t lose faith in themselves. We need to improve each and every week. And stay injury free.
Go Yotes!!!!
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 27, 2021 19:54:30 GMT -6
Nobody has mentioned the MSU "goal line stand" in the first half. That ball broke the plane. We had the TD.
The refs were freaking terrible but in the end it was our offense not moving the ball and scoring that cost us the game.
I've moved on to this week.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 27, 2021 20:59:20 GMT -6
Nobody has mentioned the MSU "goal line stand" in the first half. That ball broke the plane. We had the TD. The refs were freaking terrible but in the end it was our offense not moving the ball and scoring that cost us the game. I've moved on to this week. On the 4th down play? Absolutely. The refs had zero business being on that field.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 27, 2021 22:00:32 GMT -6
How can you say the ball broke the plain? There was no replay angle that I saw that showed it. They have the ability to take a second look with replay and there was no confirmation that he broke the plane. There was no good goal line view that I saw that showed he definitely scored.
The officials have much more to go by than the fans watching on video. It is one thing to say live that they got it wrong but those officials have better angles than we do and have better video replays or at least that same as we do. They looked at the video and came to the same conclusion so I don't see how people can have a problem with that. My beef is with the "stopped forward progress" excuse for the fumble not being reversed. That is what is bullsh*t. Either way I don't believe the officials had a huge part in deciding the game. The Coyotes should not have had a small runningback in the game at the goal line and giving it to him right up the middle. That is the problem I had with the game.
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