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Post by gopheryote on Nov 15, 2021 21:47:20 GMT -6
Oh, they’re not embarrassed up here. One of the news stations, WDAY, credited NDSU with being the reason that the U beat state. Said that teams are 2-8 after playing ndsu. I've seen this mentioned before. 9 teams have had a chance to play a game following their game with NDSU: Albany - Currently 2-8. Following game was loss against good Rhode Island team. Lost each of their first 8 games. Valparaiso - Currently 4-6. Following game was loss against good Dartmouth team. Lost to Indiana Wesleyan week before playing NDSU (someone check into how teams do after playing Indiana Wesleyan!). Towson - Currently 4-6. Following game was loss against FBS San Diego State. The next three teams are UND, UNI, and Illinois State. Oddly enough, each of them played NDSU and then USD the following week. Only UNI had a "down" game. Illinois State won their game. UND was never supposed to win in Vermillion anyways if you look at how the season played out. MSU - Won following game against UND. Indiana State - Lost following game to SIU, a game they were never going to win anyways. sdsu - The only times they've ever won in Vermillion have been highly fortunate, aside from maybe in 2013 (still a battle). So...good for the Bison fans and media for acting like this stat means anything? You want to play teams that win games. Half of that stat is highlighting how hopeless a good chunk of their schedule is this year. The other half showcases that USD is good this year. I'd rather have my team in a situation like when USD crushed Northern Arizona this season and they turned around and beat Arizona the next week. Yeah - I think the details you lay out here say a lot more than the implied "NDSU is sooo good and strong that it takes our opponents at least two weeks to recover." First thing I thought was that they played a lousy schedule. |
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Post by deadred on Nov 16, 2021 9:31:45 GMT -6
Tough to use the "we're so tough..." logic for the SDSU game given that ndsu was getting pasted throughout much of the game.
I think ndsu fans are a bit uneasy about their team this season...offensively they have dropped off significantly, though those on bisonville seem to like the changes made against ysu this past weekend. I think they're down on defense too, though it's not as noticeable. With that said, after losing to sdsu, they still thought they had 2 guaranteed wins to finish the season.
Somethings amiss, tho, and given that I get soooooo much of their coverage living an hour east of Fargo, I hope that the U takes advantage of the situation.
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Post by thesocalledfan on Nov 16, 2021 10:25:31 GMT -6
I'll try to give a less biased summary to the NDSU season.
NDSU defense has been extremely good, except the first half at SDSU. Even then, a dumb roughing the punter had a huge effect on how that game played out in the first half. With that said, you have to be multi-dimensional to beat the NDSU defense. You will need both your passing and running game rolling to win like SDSU. I think you have the horses to do it, but lets face it, you are one hard shot to Camp to being in a really bad position. (I think the world of that kid; he is going to be special.)
On offense, you really need to focus on since Cam become the starter in the second half of Missouri St on. The offense is light years better since then. They even had limited success against the SDSU defense, but they had dug themselves too big a hole to get out of. Now, last week was very interesting as an earlier poster mentioned. NDSU largely went back to 2011-2013 Brock Jensen style offense and dumped read-option. Further, they really featured one RB who is playing at a higher level than the others. While USD defense, is much better than Youngstown, NDSU is going to try to NDSU you. They will grind, grind, grind, play action to the TEs and Watson, and grind some more. SDSU provided the blueprint as Strong was gashing USD at the end of the game.
IMO, to beat NDSU, you have to start fast; force Cam Miller to beat you and you have a shot (ie SDSU). Otherwise, they are just going to grind you into submission with their O-line and crowd. Can USD win this game? You bet they can. But you have to not turn the ball over, keep Camp from getting killed, and both run and throw. You do that, you will be there in the end with a shot.
Looking forward to my trip to Fargo; if you need a tailgate to swing into, let me know; fully heated tent set up.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 16, 2021 10:37:01 GMT -6
I'll try to give a less biased summary to the NDSU season. NDSU defense has been extremely good, except the first half at SDSU. Even then, a dumb roughing the punter had a huge effect on how that game played out in the first half. With that said, you have to be multi-dimensional to beat the NDSU defense. You will need both your passing and running game rolling to win like SDSU. I think you have the horses to do it, but lets face it, you are one hard shot to Camp to being in a really bad position. (I think the world of that kid; he is going to be special.) On offense, you really need to focus on since Cam become the starter in the second half of Missouri St on. The offense is light years better since then. They even had limited success against the SDSU defense, but they had dug themselves too big a hole to get out of. Now, last week was very interesting as an earlier poster mentioned. NDSU largely went back to 2011-2013 Brock Jensen style offense and dumped read-option. Further, they really featured one RB who is playing at a higher level than the others. While USD defense, is much better than Youngstown, NDSU is going to try to NDSU you. They will grind, grind, grind, play action to the TEs and Watson, and grind some more. SDSU provided the blueprint as Strong was gashing USD at the end of the game. IMO, to beat NDSU, you have to start fast; force Cam Miller to beat you and you have a shot (ie SDSU). Otherwise, they are just going to grind you into submission with their O-line and crowd. Can USD win this game? You bet they can. But you have to not turn the ball over, keep Camp from getting killed, and both run and throw. You do that, you will be there in the end with a shot. Looking forward to my trip to Fargo; if you need a tailgate to swing into, let me know; fully heated tent set up. While I think your post is meant to be open and transparent, I honestly don’t think your O-line can “pound us into submission”. I don’t care who your quarterback is, he’s not what you’ve had in the past. I said it in a post yesterday, there’s one telling stat that I think will determine the winner. Our defensive front 7 vs your offensive line. I repeat, I don’t think there’s a chance in hell you pound us into submission. You are not your mothers typical NDSU team and we sure as hell aren’t your mothers typical USD team. I’m not saying we’ll win, but I will lay down if our guys don’t exchange blows to the last play. The edge in this game is your Dome. If we can quiet it somewhat, then the choke collar is on the Buffalo and not the Coyote. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I guaranty you this team IS NOT intimidated. They could careless about your storied past. And I honestly say that affectionately. It means nothing to them. They believe they are the best team in the league and you know what? So do I. |
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Post by thesocalledfan on Nov 16, 2021 10:42:06 GMT -6
I'll try to give a less biased summary to the NDSU season. NDSU defense has been extremely good, except the first half at SDSU. Even then, a dumb roughing the punter had a huge effect on how that game played out in the first half. With that said, you have to be multi-dimensional to beat the NDSU defense. You will need both your passing and running game rolling to win like SDSU. I think you have the horses to do it, but lets face it, you are one hard shot to Camp to being in a really bad position. (I think the world of that kid; he is going to be special.) On offense, you really need to focus on since Cam become the starter in the second half of Missouri St on. The offense is light years better since then. They even had limited success against the SDSU defense, but they had dug themselves too big a hole to get out of. Now, last week was very interesting as an earlier poster mentioned. NDSU largely went back to 2011-2013 Brock Jensen style offense and dumped read-option. Further, they really featured one RB who is playing at a higher level than the others. While USD defense, is much better than Youngstown, NDSU is going to try to NDSU you. They will grind, grind, grind, play action to the TEs and Watson, and grind some more. SDSU provided the blueprint as Strong was gashing USD at the end of the game. IMO, to beat NDSU, you have to start fast; force Cam Miller to beat you and you have a shot (ie SDSU). Otherwise, they are just going to grind you into submission with their O-line and crowd. Can USD win this game? You bet they can. But you have to not turn the ball over, keep Camp from getting killed, and both run and throw. You do that, you will be there in the end with a shot. Looking forward to my trip to Fargo; if you need a tailgate to swing into, let me know; fully heated tent set up. While I think your post is meant to be open and transparent, I honestly don’t think your O-line can “pound us into submission”. I don’t care who your quarterback is, he’s not what you’ve had in the past. I said it in a post yesterday, there’s one telling stat that I think will determine the winner. Our defensive front 7 vs your offensive line. I repeat, I don’t think there’s a chance in hell you pound us into submission. You are not your mothers typical NDSU team and we sure as hell aren’t your mothers typical USD team. I’m not saying we’ll win, but I will lay down if our guys don’t exchange blows to the last play. The edge in this game is your Dome. If we can quiet it somewhat, then the choke collar is on the Buffalo and not the Coyote. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I guaranty you this team IS NOT intimidated. They could careless about your storied past. And I honestly say that affectionately. It means nothing to them. They believe they are the best team in the league and you know what? So do I. I would point out SDSU was pounding you into submission with Strong, and NDSU has that same ability. (I watched the game.) Are you saying NDSU is not as good as SDSU? That is fine then and we can agree to disagree, but NDSU is every bit as good as SDSU. |
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Post by golfingyote on Nov 16, 2021 10:47:09 GMT -6
While I think your post is meant to be open and transparent, I honestly don’t think your O-line can “pound us into submission”. I don’t care who your quarterback is, he’s not what you’ve had in the past. I said it in a post yesterday, there’s one telling stat that I think will determine the winner. Our defensive front 7 vs your offensive line. I repeat, I don’t think there’s a chance in hell you pound us into submission. You are not your mothers typical NDSU team and we sure as hell aren’t your mothers typical USD team. I’m not saying we’ll win, but I will lay down if our guys don’t exchange blows to the last play. The edge in this game is your Dome. If we can quiet it somewhat, then the choke collar is on the Buffalo and not the Coyote. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I guaranty you this team IS NOT intimidated. They could careless about your storied past. And I honestly say that affectionately. It means nothing to them. They believe they are the best team in the league and you know what? So do I. I would point out SDSU was pounding you into submission with Strong, and NDSU has that same ability. (I watched the game.) Are you saying NDSU is not as good as SDSU? That is fine then and we can agree to disagree, but NDSU is every bit as good as SDSU. seems like you are cherry picking a bit. How did that pierre strong pounding go the first half? just pointing out that we were also pounding SDSU with Nate Thomas the 2nd half. both defenses wore down, which is common at this level. |
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 16, 2021 11:17:55 GMT -6
Stats comparison
SDSU had 4 big drives on you.
12 plays 75 yards TD
16 plays 80 yards TD
7 plays 52 yards FG
8 plays 48 yards FH
NDSU had 2 drives on SDSU
12 plays 75 yards TD
12 plays 88 yards 0 points ( end of game…SDSU in prevent but you can call it a drive
SDSU ran for 181 on you. SDSU ran for 128 on us
SDSU threw for 168 on you SDSU threw for 220 on us
I repeat….these numbers don’t reflect being pounded into submission. If anyone was pounded SDSU did it to you.
I’m not arguing NDSU isn’t a darn good team because they are. I’m telling you USD is right there with you. I may eat crow but I’m betting this game is a war. If you pound us into submission as you say, I’ll congratulate you. However if our defensive front does it to you I’ll expect the same.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 16, 2021 11:41:57 GMT -6
I would point out SDSU was pounding you into submission with Strong, and NDSU has that same ability. (I watched the game.) Are you saying NDSU is not as good as SDSU? That is fine then and we can agree to disagree, but NDSU is every bit as good as SDSU. seems like you are cherry picking a bit. How did that pierre strong pounding go the first half? just pointing out that we were also pounding SDSU with Nate Thomas the 2nd half. both defenses wore down, which is common at this level. I wouldn't say USD wore down that last scoring series, rather we were playing to prevent giving up a big play TD. Classic bend but don't break that allowed SDSU to move the ball down the field and we ended up breaking. Is what it is but the D has shown the ability to shut down the run over the course of the season. Hopefully that ability continues. |
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Post by fightsd on Nov 16, 2021 12:32:12 GMT -6
While I think your post is meant to be open and transparent, I honestly don’t think your O-line can “pound us into submission”. I don’t care who your quarterback is, he’s not what you’ve had in the past. I said it in a post yesterday, there’s one telling stat that I think will determine the winner. Our defensive front 7 vs your offensive line. I repeat, I don’t think there’s a chance in hell you pound us into submission. You are not your mothers typical NDSU team and we sure as hell aren’t your mothers typical USD team. I’m not saying we’ll win, but I will lay down if our guys don’t exchange blows to the last play. The edge in this game is your Dome. If we can quiet it somewhat, then the choke collar is on the Buffalo and not the Coyote. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain. I guaranty you this team IS NOT intimidated. They could careless about your storied past. And I honestly say that affectionately. It means nothing to them. They believe they are the best team in the league and you know what? So do I. I would point out SDSU was pounding you into submission with Strong, and NDSU has that same ability. (I watched the game.) Are you saying NDSU is not as good as SDSU? That is fine then and we can agree to disagree, but NDSU is every bit as good as SDSU. I would say USD is also every bit as good as SDSU. We were better in basically every stat column on Saturday. The defense had one drive where Strong actually got rolling in the 4th quarter. Outside of that, we contained him as well or better than anybody else this season. The Hail Mary was awesome, but I feel like people are discrediting the win as a fluke or something because of it. The last play was pretty outrageous, but if you look at the rest of the game we should have won regardless. NDSU is gonna do what NDSU does. But if they think they have a cake walk this week, they should check the tape from Saturday and see what our defense did to an offense that pretty much thumped NDSU the week before. |
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Post by flagshipU on Nov 16, 2021 12:45:10 GMT -6
"I'm a Coyote, I'm a Coyote, I'm a Coyote don't 'cha know. I would rather be a Coyote than a f%#$ing buffalo" Everyone remember that song? Sang it in Fargo in 1978 when we knocked off then ranked #3 NDSU. Great song…will teach it to my grandson as soon as he can comprehend and put to memory Back in the 80's, one of NDSU's star basketball players went downtown after their game against USD. We actually had him singing the song with us at Carey's. Classic moment! |
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Post by gopheryote on Nov 16, 2021 13:41:03 GMT -6
I would point out SDSU was pounding you into submission with Strong, and NDSU has that same ability. (I watched the game.) Are you saying NDSU is not as good as SDSU? That is fine then and we can agree to disagree, but NDSU is every bit as good as SDSU. On SDSU's TD drive, Strong had 8 carries for 40 yards. On their final drive, he had 4 carries for 11 yards. Is that what you are classifying as 'pounding you into submission'? FWIW, I think NDSU is just as good as SDSU. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 16, 2021 13:50:54 GMT -6
I think the ability of USD to run and stop the run is a big reason they can hang in and perhaps win. NDSU typically just over powers the Coyotes with relative ease. Not only is the Yotes defense stout but they are not tiring out at the end for the most part. Camp needs to be opportunistic in the passing game. Time of possession has been crucial in the SDSU vs NDSU games. I see the same being true in this one.
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Post by elcoyote on Nov 16, 2021 14:03:12 GMT -6
As far a being "pounded into submission goes", Strong averaged 3.7 yards per carry. He also fumbled twice, both of which bounced right into the hands of a waiting bunny. Kraft also fumbled on their last scoring drive and was fortunate that it bounced right back to him. Two fumbles on their last scoring drive, both recovered by them...I'd say they were lucky in that regard to have even retained possession of the ball and be able to score the go ahead touchdown.
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Post by logicfan on Nov 16, 2021 14:16:20 GMT -6
So after reading this 7-3 USD who is literally 1 second away from being 6-4 is supposed to Dead-Even with NDSU based on statistics of 4 games. This is fun.
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Post by fightsd on Nov 16, 2021 14:34:52 GMT -6
So after reading this 7-3 USD who is literally 1 second away from being 6-4 is supposed to Dead-Even with NDSU based on statistics of 4 games. This is fun. Not really. Just observations based on performances against common opponents. We're also a play away from winning all three of the losses. So if you want to say 1 second away from being 6-4, I'll say 3 plays away from being 10-0. You're right, this is fun. |
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