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Post by yoteforever on Nov 19, 2021 11:21:11 GMT -6
If the Yotes beat the Bison, we will be on the bubble for getting a top 8 seed, which gives us a first round bye and a guaranteed home game for the second round. An SDSU win over the F'n Hawks would likely help our resume and increase our chances of landing a top 8 seed. This presents quite a quandary. A SDSU win is likely only good if the Coyotes beat NDSU. If the Jacks win and the Coyotes lose I believe that puts the Jacks ahead of the Coyotes in the pecking order. Some may disagree but I believe the Jacks have the better overall resume with a win over the Bison and the Rams despite the head to head loss against the Coyotes. Plus with the Jacks street cred I would not hold my breathe on the Coyotes getting the benefit of the doubt. Honestly the regionalization of the playoffs really hurts the MVFC and the Big Sky. This is D1 FCS and the whole country should be bracketed as a whole and not regionally. If it was bracketed as a whole the Coyotes would get a much more favorable draw in the playoffs. I have no doubt they could go on the road and crush most playoffs teams that don't get a bye from the east or south. But somehow they did draw Nichols a few years ago so maybe it is not a foregone conclusion that they would play a MVFC or Big Sky team in the first round assuming they don't get a bye. There’s only one criteria that should matter. HEAD to HEAD. That’s it. And double the amount of emphasis when that game took place one week ago. Regarding who we play assuming we’re in to me is irrelevant. You profess all the time your expectations are win every game. Well you want to win a Natty? You must win 4 or 5 games ( depending if your seeded or not ). It doesn’t matter whatsoever the order in which you do it. I’ll build an argument that the better team you play the greater the focus on the game. If you truly are a better team then you’ll win the game. Way to many people have SDSU on this pedestal. Way to many. I told you we’ve caught them and are now a peer. I believe in 1-2 more years they no longer will be a peer. We will have passed them. Recruiting to the DakotaDome with all the renovations is making life easier for our staff. The weight room and training room are off the charts. Our staff has gotten better. Our roster is young. Last Saturday wscnt a fluke just like a win tomorrow won’t be if it happens. We have nothing to lose. Nationally those that watch and evaluate FCS football have already put the W in NDSU’s column. As Lee Corso would say….”not so fast my friend” We are one injury from playing for the title tomorrow. One. Camp going down against Illinois State cost us that game, one we still could’ve won. But injuries are part of it. If Camp doesn’t go down we are playing for an outright title tomorrow. Get this SDSU and NDSU being elite out of your thought process. That’s nonsense. Total nonsense. Yesteryears performance has no bearing on tomorrow’s game. NONE Again, is NDSU good? Heck yes they are. But so are the Coyotes. GO YOTES |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2021 11:43:26 GMT -6
So if one team finishes 10-1 and another 6-5 and both make the playoffs and the 10-1 team happened to lose on the road against that 6-5 team do you think the 6-5 team should be ranked ahead of the 10-1. The entire resume matters more than head to head but head to head is an important criteria but just one criteria.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2021 11:48:19 GMT -6
Yoteforever,
I would pump the brakes a bit on the Coyotes being a better program than the Jacks. It was never even close until this year. It is nice that the Coyotes have caught the Jacks but so far it is just a one season sample size. I think before we are considered the better program we need at least 2 more years of finishing higher than them in the Valley, than maybe I could buy your argument.
Don't get me wrong we are all fired up about this years Coyote team, no doubt about it. I have loved this season and everyone has. I just believe that a program's success and cred is made up over time. The Coyotes have proven quite a bit this year. They have yet to put together more than 1 or 2 good seasons in a row for probably about 35 years. That will now be the next goal but no matter what happens from here this season will be a resounding success and the future does look bright. I am going to be investing in season tickets next year but we need to prove it for a longer time frame to be considered a better program (or even at their level) than the Jacks.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 19, 2021 11:49:14 GMT -6
That’s not the situation. Don’t build a narrative to make your point more palatable.
Coyotes 7-3
Jacks 7-3
In this case YES WITHOUT QUESTION HEAD TO HEAD MATTERS.
And technically speaking the Jacks are 6-3 as their game against LINDENWOOD is a non counter.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 19, 2021 11:51:55 GMT -6
Yoteforever, I would pump the brakes a bit on the Coyotes being a better program than the Jacks. It was never even close until this year. It is nice that the Coyotes have caught the Jacks but so far it is just a one season sample size. I think before we are considered the better program we need at least 2 more years of finishing higher than them in the Valley, than maybe I could buy your argument. Where did I say better? I said PEER Then my belief is in 1-2 years we will be better. I stand by it. I’m not into posting wherever the wind blows to make a point. I’m drawing the line. In 1-2 years it will play out if my evaluation is correct or incorrect. I firmly stand in the camp we will be better. Period |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2021 11:56:30 GMT -6
That’s not the situation. Don’t build a narrative to make your point more palatable. Coyotes 7-3 Jacks 7-3 In this case YES WITHOUT QUESTION HEAD TO HEAD MATTERS. And technically speaking the Jacks are 6-3 as their game against LINDENWOOD is a non counter. I am only talking if the Coyotes lose to the Bison and the Jacks win. If they both end up tied I believe maybe just maybe the Coyotes get the nod but that would probably need to include a road win over the Bison. But if the Jacks and Coyotes both lose than the Coyotes would be low on quality wins where the Jacks would have the Bison and the FBS win. If they are tied I am not as certain. |
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2021 11:58:36 GMT -6
One thing we all agree on is that this has been a heck of a year and one that has surprised a lot of people including myself. I could barely hold back kind of losing it after leaving the dome. I am just glad to see this program headed in the right direction.
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Post by Yote 53 on Nov 19, 2021 12:08:23 GMT -6
Rewatched that game last night. USD is better than SDSU and the better team won. We were a more physical and athletic team across the board. That touchdown we scored to take the 14-13 lead, Camp wasn't in the game after having been knocked out that series. We physically ran over the Jacks defense over half the field to score that TD with zero passing threat from our Wildcat QB. We're also young and recruiting really well. Yoteforever is right. I agree that we're on track to pass SDSU. The next test is how do we stack up against the Bison?
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Post by ElsenMidco on Nov 19, 2021 12:08:26 GMT -6
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Post by Yotes on Nov 19, 2021 12:23:37 GMT -6
Man this week has felt soooo long. Been ready for kickoff for about 5 days now.
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Post by elcoyote on Nov 19, 2021 12:42:00 GMT -6
When played USD is 3-1 this season against top 25 FCS opponents. SDSU is 1-3. So much for the "quality wins" argument.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2021 13:16:09 GMT -6
The Jacks have wins against NDSU and Colorado state which would by far trump USD's quality wins if the Coyotes don't beat NDSU. I am just looking at things objectively. I think quality wins are decided after the season is complete. I am looking at it how the committee would look at it.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2021 13:17:44 GMT -6
If the Yotes beat NDSU than we are looking at a different resume.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 19, 2021 13:20:26 GMT -6
If the Yotes beat NDSU I would be pretty upset if the Yotes get screwed by the committee.
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Post by yote14 on Nov 19, 2021 16:48:59 GMT -6
If you take out the NDSU game and look at the combined opponents records in the easter bunnies wins their opponents are 12-37 and not one of those counter wins was against a team with a winning record and they are 0-3 against ranked opponents.
Beating NDSU is really hard but that is the only quality win. the rest of their resume is horrible.
Even if they beat UND Saturday the selection committee is looking at a team that only has 1 win against a team with a winning record, was 1-3 against teams with winning records, and the combined record of their D1 opponents in those wins would be 17-43 and that is supposed to scream awesome resume to get ahead of the Yotes when the yotes have the head to head win and much stronger resume even if they get blown out by NDSU.
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