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Post by yotefan90 on Apr 1, 2022 16:08:22 GMT -6
Not to be the anti-home grown talent but we need to be semi realistic here. Some of the names mentioned (while excellent former stars) do not have the experience. We are a quality job, that unfortunately pays not well, so we need a coach who is proven in either the upper ranks of D2 or D1. Herbster if you’re reading I also suggest we start opening the checkbook a bit more this round. Not to bag on the FB program but if Nielsen can be making close to 300k and has had far less success then Dawn, then she should’ve been at the 300 mark too. Not saying the new coach deserves what dawn did imo but it’s clear we’ve gotta start paying more if we want quality coaches to consider us and stay. Dawn is listed at $275k. Bob just over $300k. Aaron Johnston at State just over $250k. |
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Post by elcoyote on Apr 1, 2022 17:58:53 GMT -6
A live look at a USD athletic department intern reading this thread...  Now that's some funny shit right there, I don't care who you are. |
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Post by fightsd on Apr 1, 2022 18:02:00 GMT -6
Not to be the anti-home grown talent but we need to be semi realistic here. Some of the names mentioned (while excellent former stars) do not have the experience. We are a quality job, that unfortunately pays not well, so we need a coach who is proven in either the upper ranks of D2 or D1. Herbster if you’re reading I also suggest we start opening the checkbook a bit more this round. Not to bag on the FB program but if Nielsen can be making close to 300k and has had far less success then Dawn, then she should’ve been at the 300 mark too. Not saying the new coach deserves what dawn did imo but it’s clear we’ve gotta start paying more if we want quality coaches to consider us and stay. Comparing football to WBB is nonsensical. Dawns salary here was appropriate and delivered a product that exceeded expectations. An extra 25 or 50k a year wasn't going to keep Dawn here and if you think USD is in a position to offer a comparable comp package to what WVU offered, you are out of touch. |
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Post by easmus on Apr 1, 2022 20:26:52 GMT -6
Not to be the anti-home grown talent but we need to be semi realistic here. Some of the names mentioned (while excellent former stars) do not have the experience. We are a quality job, that unfortunately pays not well, so we need a coach who is proven in either the upper ranks of D2 or D1. Herbster if you’re reading I also suggest we start opening the checkbook a bit more this round. Not to bag on the FB program but if Nielsen can be making close to 300k and has had far less success then Dawn, then she should’ve been at the 300 mark too. Not saying the new coach deserves what dawn did imo but it’s clear we’ve gotta start paying more if we want quality coaches to consider us and stay. Not sure I agree. Dawn was making $275k. More than coaches in the Mountain West make. You’ll remember Craig Smith at least doubled his salary when he went to that same conference. I’d bet we pay pretty competitively for a mid major D1. |
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Post by easmus on Apr 1, 2022 20:28:05 GMT -6
Not to be the anti-home grown talent but we need to be semi realistic here. Some of the names mentioned (while excellent former stars) do not have the experience. We are a quality job, that unfortunately pays not well, so we need a coach who is proven in either the upper ranks of D2 or D1. Herbster if you’re reading I also suggest we start opening the checkbook a bit more this round. Not to bag on the FB program but if Nielsen can be making close to 300k and has had far less success then Dawn, then she should’ve been at the 300 mark too. Not saying the new coach deserves what dawn did imo but it’s clear we’ve gotta start paying more if we want quality coaches to consider us and stay. Comparing football to WBB is nonsensical. Dawns salary here was appropriate and delivered a product that exceeded expectations. An extra 25 or 50k a year wasn't going to keep Dawn here and if you think USD is in a position to offer a comparable comp package to what WVU offered, you are out of touch. And I think Dawn also turned down more in favor of giving it to her assistants so she could keep them. |
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 2, 2022 6:56:59 GMT -6
Not to be the anti-home grown talent but we need to be semi realistic here. Some of the names mentioned (while excellent former stars) do not have the experience. We are a quality job, that unfortunately pays not well, so we need a coach who is proven in either the upper ranks of D2 or D1. Herbster if you’re reading I also suggest we start opening the checkbook a bit more this round. Not to bag on the FB program but if Nielsen can be making close to 300k and has had far less success then Dawn, then she should’ve been at the 300 mark too. Not saying the new coach deserves what dawn did imo but it’s clear we’ve gotta start paying more if we want quality coaches to consider us and stay. I agree on funding but the reality of it at our school is that will only come with increased ticket revenue, corporate sponsorships, and increased giving and members in the Howling Pack. And it can’t just be this program, but mens basketball, football, and volleyball as well. I’m 100%on board with paying our staffs more salaries, travel enhancements, etc. But that has to come with increased revenue. Here’s the dilemma. Do you make the investment up front and see the reward from your investment follow? Or do you “hope” for success and take the momentum from that success to increase revenues? There’s are the decisions the President has to make. If the womens program was like the mens program, we would’ve received about $500,000 for getting to the Sweet 16, and every school in the conference would’ve gotten about $60,000 for the next 5 years. But that payout formula for women is zero because the money is different. All of our programs need increased funding if we truly want to be elite and compete for conference titles. |
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Post by usdguy99 on Apr 2, 2022 8:00:46 GMT -6
Not to be the anti-home grown talent but we need to be semi realistic here. Some of the names mentioned (while excellent former stars) do not have the experience. We are a quality job, that unfortunately pays not well, so we need a coach who is proven in either the upper ranks of D2 or D1. Herbster if you’re reading I also suggest we start opening the checkbook a bit more this round. Not to bag on the FB program but if Nielsen can be making close to 300k and has had far less success then Dawn, then she should’ve been at the 300 mark too. Not saying the new coach deserves what dawn did imo but it’s clear we’ve gotta start paying more if we want quality coaches to consider us and stay. I agree on funding but the reality of it at our school is that will only come with increased ticket revenue, corporate sponsorships, and increased giving and members in the Howling Pack. And it can’t just be this program, but mens basketball, football, and volleyball as well. I’m 100%on board with paying our staffs more salaries, travel enhancements, etc. But that has to come with increased revenue. Here’s the dilemma. Do you make the investment up front and see the reward from your investment follow? Or do you “hope” for success and take the momentum from that success to increase revenues? There’s are the decisions the President has to make. If the womens program was like the mens program, we would’ve received about $500,000 for getting to the Sweet 16, and every school in the conference would’ve gotten about $60,000 for the next 5 years. But that payout formula for women is zero because the money is different. All of our programs need increased funding if we truly want to be elite and compete for conference titles. Our Howling Pack staff should have been handing out Howling Pack membership packets in Wichita! If all those that weren't members before that point, they should have been excited enough to even join at the $100 level. |
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Post by yoteforever on Apr 2, 2022 8:06:29 GMT -6
I agree on funding but the reality of it at our school is that will only come with increased ticket revenue, corporate sponsorships, and increased giving and members in the Howling Pack. And it can’t just be this program, but mens basketball, football, and volleyball as well. I’m 100%on board with paying our staffs more salaries, travel enhancements, etc. But that has to come with increased revenue. Here’s the dilemma. Do you make the investment up front and see the reward from your investment follow? Or do you “hope” for success and take the momentum from that success to increase revenues? There’s are the decisions the President has to make. If the womens program was like the mens program, we would’ve received about $500,000 for getting to the Sweet 16, and every school in the conference would’ve gotten about $60,000 for the next 5 years. But that payout formula for women is zero because the money is different. All of our programs need increased funding if we truly want to be elite and compete for conference titles. Our Howling Pack staff should have been handing out Howling Pack membership packets in Wichita! If all those that weren't members before that point, they should have been excited enough to even join at the $100 level. AMEN |
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Post by yote18 on Apr 2, 2022 8:25:19 GMT -6
Didn’t mean to ruffle some feathers, or did I 👀. But I guess my point is if we don’t want to be a continual revolving door then we as a program (alumni, fans, students, everyone) need to start supporting more to bring in more money not just for WBB but also MBB so we can be a competitive mid major that coaches want to stay out once they get success.
We have the facilities, history and talent so it’s not a rebuild. Start the new coach off at a reasonable amount comparable to what Dawn got, but then if they’re successful we gotta find a way to keep them. Being a stepping stone is great but having a coach take us to 10 tournament titles is better.
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Post by notkiotees on Apr 2, 2022 8:44:32 GMT -6
I'm hoping Herbster will "be quick,but don't hurry".
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Post by fightsd on Apr 2, 2022 9:38:31 GMT -6
Didn’t mean to ruffle some feathers, or did I 👀. But I guess my point is if we don’t want to be a continual revolving door then we as a program (alumni, fans, students, everyone) need to start supporting more to bring in more money not just for WBB but also MBB so we can be a competitive mid major that coaches want to stay out once they get success. We have the facilities, history and talent so it’s not a rebuild. Start the new coach off at a reasonable amount comparable to what Dawn got, but then if they’re successful we gotta find a way to keep them. Being a stepping stone is great but having a coach take us to 10 tournament titles is better. That's the nature of the beast. You have a mid major team that has become a perennial tournament team, if your coach has more upside they will get poached by a bigger program. It's not if, but when. I'm fine with having 5 or 6 year coaches that keep elevating the program. The other option is having a whole career guy like they have in Brookings who has taken that program as far as he can but is it that point now where nobody is all that interested in hiring him away from there. If he's still there after their WNIT run, he'll coach there until they force him out. Personally, I hope he stays. |
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Post by Yotes on Apr 2, 2022 9:47:23 GMT -6
We are not a destination (yet), but I do think it should have been harder for Dawn to leave. I still can't believe West Virginia is the job she left for. I always figured it was going to be a Big 10 school closer to home. I thought she would get a bigger bump in salary too.
The program has made steps towards becoming a destination though. It would have to be the right fit for that person (think Mark Few at Gonzaga), and the program needs continuous increasing support to have that foundation in place when our potential "Mark Few" walks through the door, but I think it can be done.
Dawn leaving is deflating, but we still have momentum behind us that has never been seen. I hope we can harness it. Everyone do their part and be the biggest cheerleaders you can be. Let's break attendance records next year and show the new coach what we are about at USD.
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Post by usdguy99 on Apr 2, 2022 11:18:51 GMT -6
It's not just salary concerns. Our football team travels with multiple strength and conditioning coaches, neither basketball team is allowed. The excuse of other teams don't charter, so our basketball teams are not allowed. A volunteer video coordinator being paid a stipend from the coach, etc. The list goes on and on at what we should be supporting but do not. Only in college athletics can a performer that has had the most success be paid the least or supported of te revenue sports.
All of our HP staff were in Wichita, those of you on the HP board should ask how many new memberships were obtained. If we pay for performance, why has our HP membership declined each year for the past 3 years?
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Post by coffeedrinker11 on Apr 2, 2022 16:08:08 GMT -6
It's not just salary concerns. Our football team travels with multiple strength and conditioning coaches, neither basketball team is allowed. The excuse of other teams don't charter, so our basketball teams are not allowed. A volunteer video coordinator being paid a stipend from the coach, etc. The list goes on and on at what we should be supporting but do not. Only in college athletics can a performer that has had the most success be paid the least or supported of te revenue sports. All of our HP staff were in Wichita, those of you on the HP board should ask how many new memberships were obtained. If we pay for performance, why has our HP membership declined each year for the past 3 years? An interesting question "why has our HP membership declined each year for the past 3 years?" I love how our women's basketball team played this year, season tickets for BB and season tickets for VB here. I of course make every football game as well. I'm not a USD alum, but have had two kids who are and became a fan that way. I'm a member of the Howling Pack as well, but it's not because of BB or VB, but football. I and the people I sit with at the Calling all Coyotes - A Red Tie Event - belong to the HP because of football. What does that mean - in relation to your question? Spring practice started the 24th, there has been one photo shoot online, two short video's on the football Facebook page. Makes it pretty close to impossible to follow the football team and spring ball. Makes me wonder if I should follow one of the schools I attended. Might not make many games but can watch them on ESPN+. I know the spring schedule of my undergrad Alma Mater, and which practices are open to the public, but not the school I have season tickets for. Guess I should question my intelligence with that in mind. Football is the most popular sport in the U.S.A. Antidotal non statistical information, but I believe the same can be said for the majority of HP members. I'm pretty close to walking away from the HP because it's hard to follow the sport I'm most interested in. Now your comment "The list goes on and on at what we should be supporting but do not. Only in college athletics can a performer that has had the most success be paid the least or supported of te revenue sports." (Included your te instead of the) Our football team plays one payday game every year, 2019 Oklahoma, 2020 Iowa State was scheduled (canceled due to Covid), 2021 Kansas, 2022 scheduled Kansas State. Without knowing the numbers, and scholarships aside, I bet that we come pretty close to covering the cost of playing football sending the strength and conditioning coaches and whoever else the team needs. It would be interesting to see how close the other sports come to being in the black as far as operating costs go. I would love to see USD be able to support all of our teams like the Big 10 schools or the Big 12 where Dawn is going, but we can't for multiple reasons. What we can do is make sure that the people who support our athletics via the HP, Red-Tie events, Season Tickets, and all the other ways to donate can get the content on the teams that follow that they want or would like. In my opinion that's low hanging fruit that doesn't cost a lot, but for whatever reason we don't do enough in this area. |
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Post by highsmoke on Apr 2, 2022 16:25:02 GMT -6
We are not a destination (yet), but I do think it should have been harder for Dawn to leave. I still can't believe West Virginia is the job she left for. I always figured it was going to be a Big 10 school closer to home. I thought she would get a bigger bump in salary too. The program has made steps towards becoming a destination though. It would have to be the right fit for that person (think Mark Few at Gonzaga), and the program needs continuous increasing support to have that foundation in place when our potential "Mark Few" walks through the door, but I think it can be done. Dawn leaving is deflating, but we still have momentum behind us that has never been seen. I hope we can harness it. Everyone do their part and be the biggest cheerleaders you can be. Let's break attendance records next year and show the new coach what we are about at USD. |
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