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Post by sdyotefan on Oct 17, 2022 8:08:08 GMT -6
SIU is undefeated at 4-0 in the conference so it's time for that streak to end on D Days!!
Go Yotes!!!
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 17, 2022 8:29:55 GMT -6
Obviously a disappointing season so far, but no better time to turn things around than D Days. Playoffs or not, lets get this ship heading in the right direction.
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Post by fightsd on Oct 17, 2022 17:08:12 GMT -6
This is the most unenthused I've ever been for a DDays. It's not like we've lost some nail biters on a couple of plays that didn't go our way. We haven't even been close. If the team comes out looking completely inept again this week, I'm ok with a mid-season change. If we can't rise to the occasion and play a good game on homecoming, I have no faith left in the staff or team.
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Post by MD on Oct 18, 2022 9:50:30 GMT -6
If nothing else it looks like it will be amazing tailgate weather.
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Post by easmus on Oct 18, 2022 9:51:26 GMT -6
I just don’t see them making a mid-season change. I don’t think Herbster would want to embarrass Bob that way, and with Schlafke already gone, I think it would gut the staff even more making it even harder to manage the game. If anything, I wish Bob would’ve let Paopao or Warren just call the plays.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 14:47:27 GMT -6
Don’t forget this football team was very good and hosted a playoff game just last fall. The question is why aren’t we in the same position. IMO there are a lot of reasons.
1. Schedule. If there was an NAU, Drake, or Northern Colorado, we’d probably be 3-2 and be talking playoffs again
2. OC Change. Obviously not the right move if it was based on performance. They had a couple really bad weeks but looked much more organized and possibly would breakout.
3. QB Play. Too many turnovers and poor decisions. It’s shocking that no one else has been given a shot to play. If the backup is worse than this and can’t even get a shot, the recruiting is the issue then.
4. Road Games. 4 Road Games in 6 weeks and the only home game other than Cal Poly was #1 NDSU.
This is without a perfect storm for a down season. But 2023 looks like a setup for an unbelievable season. Don’t think how’s the time to blow it up and waste that, but something has to change if the Yotes can take advantage of that schedule.
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Post by dbyote on Oct 18, 2022 15:47:28 GMT -6
Don’t forget this football team was very good and hosted a playoff game just last fall. The question is why aren’t we in the same position. IMO there are a lot of reasons. 1. Schedule. If there was an NAU, Drake, or Northern Colorado, we’d probably be 3-2 and be talking playoffs again 2. OC Change. Obviously not the right move if it was based on performance. They had a couple really bad weeks but looked much more organized and possibly would breakout. 3. QB Play. Too many turnovers and poor decisions. It’s shocking that no one else has been given a shot to play. If the backup is worse than this and can’t even get a shot, the recruiting is the issue then. 4. Road Games. 4 Road Games in 6 weeks and the only home game other than Cal Poly was #1 NDSU. This is without a perfect storm for a down season. But 2023 looks like a setup for an unbelievable season. Don’t think how’s the time to blow it up and waste that, but something has to change if the Yotes can take advantage of that schedule. I could get down for that, but at some point there can be no excuses and we as a University and fan base have to decide what we are and aren't willing to accept. |
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Post by fightsd on Oct 18, 2022 17:12:34 GMT -6
Don’t forget this football team was very good and hosted a playoff game just last fall. The question is why aren’t we in the same position. IMO there are a lot of reasons. 1. Schedule. If there was an NAU, Drake, or Northern Colorado, we’d probably be 3-2 and be talking playoffs again 2. OC Change. Obviously not the right move if it was based on performance. They had a couple really bad weeks but looked much more organized and possibly would breakout. 3. QB Play. Too many turnovers and poor decisions. It’s shocking that no one else has been given a shot to play. If the backup is worse than this and can’t even get a shot, the recruiting is the issue then. 4. Road Games. 4 Road Games in 6 weeks and the only home game other than Cal Poly was #1 NDSU. This is without a perfect storm for a down season. But 2023 looks like a setup for an unbelievable season. Don’t think how’s the time to blow it up and waste that, but something has to change if the Yotes can take advantage of that schedule. Ehh I feel like I've been patient enough and given Bob the benefit of the doubt for a long time here. I'm not satisfied with having a good season because of a weak schedule. That's being a pretender and if the goal is playoff runs, you can't fake that. Do whatever it takes to get on the upper tier teams level. I don't care if it means going out and getting every trouble maker reject from the FBS like Petrino did at Missouri State. Get some dudes that can win ball games now, then worry about building a culture with recruiting classes. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2022 21:07:36 GMT -6
Don’t forget this football team was very good and hosted a playoff game just last fall. The question is why aren’t we in the same position. IMO there are a lot of reasons. 1. Schedule. If there was an NAU, Drake, or Northern Colorado, we’d probably be 3-2 and be talking playoffs again 2. OC Change. Obviously not the right move if it was based on performance. They had a couple really bad weeks but looked much more organized and possibly would breakout. 3. QB Play. Too many turnovers and poor decisions. It’s shocking that no one else has been given a shot to play. If the backup is worse than this and can’t even get a shot, the recruiting is the issue then. 4. Road Games. 4 Road Games in 6 weeks and the only home game other than Cal Poly was #1 NDSU. This is without a perfect storm for a down season. But 2023 looks like a setup for an unbelievable season. Don’t think how’s the time to blow it up and waste that, but something has to change if the Yotes can take advantage of that schedule. Ehh I feel like I've been patient enough and given Bob the benefit of the doubt for a long time here. I'm not satisfied with having a good season because of a weak schedule. That's being a pretender and if the goal is playoff runs, you can't fake that. Do whatever it takes to get on the upper tier teams level. I don't care if it means going out and getting every trouble maker reject from the FBS like Petrino did at Missouri State. Get some dudes that can win ball games now, then worry about building a culture with recruiting classes. Yeah Missouri State model seems to be working out. 2-4 with a bad offense and worse defense. Lost in the 1st round to a bad OVC team in UT Martin. In FCS football the best programs don’t schedule like USD has scheduled. Is SDSU a pretender? Played Butler. NDSU a pretended NCAT and Butler? |
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Post by fightsd on Oct 18, 2022 21:42:20 GMT -6
Ehh I feel like I've been patient enough and given Bob the benefit of the doubt for a long time here. I'm not satisfied with having a good season because of a weak schedule. That's being a pretender and if the goal is playoff runs, you can't fake that. Do whatever it takes to get on the upper tier teams level. I don't care if it means going out and getting every trouble maker reject from the FBS like Petrino did at Missouri State. Get some dudes that can win ball games now, then worry about building a culture with recruiting classes. Yeah Missouri State model seems to be working out. 2-4 with a bad offense and worse defense. Lost in the 1st round to a bad OVC team in UT Martin. In FCS football the best programs don’t schedule like USD has scheduled. Is SDSU a pretender? Played Butler. NDSU a pretended NCAT and Butler? NDSU wins the natty basically every year. They are the gold standard. Until this past Saturday, I considered state a pretender because they had played absolutely nobody remotely decent. Unfortunately that changed. Yeah, our schedule sucks. Everybody expected us to be in about the same situation we're in right now - but we haven't even looked competitive. NDSU played like dog crap for the first half of the game in Vermillion and let the Yotes hang around. Outside of that, we've looked like a team that doesn't even belong. We have to face the reality of the situation here. We just don't have the horses. Anybody that has watched the Yotes this season can see it too. Show me one player on USDs offense that would start at state. Their roster is just plain better across the board. It's been long enough and I place the lack of talent squarely on the shoulders of Nielson and his staff. I never thought I'd be the one in here advocating for coaching changes, but at some point we have to take an honest look at the state of the program. Does anyone like the trajectory of the program? I'm not taking just about wins and losses, but even just being competitive. |
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Post by kiyoat on Oct 19, 2022 5:16:58 GMT -6
Don’t forget this football team was very good and hosted a playoff game just last fall. The question is why aren’t we in the same position. IMO there are a lot of reasons. 1. Schedule. If there was an NAU, Drake, or Northern Colorado, we’d probably be 3-2 and be talking playoffs again 2. OC Change. Obviously not the right move if it was based on performance. They had a couple really bad weeks but looked much more organized and possibly would breakout. 3. QB Play. Too many turnovers and poor decisions. It’s shocking that no one else has been given a shot to play. If the backup is worse than this and can’t even get a shot, the recruiting is the issue then. 4. Road Games. 4 Road Games in 6 weeks and the only home game other than Cal Poly was #1 NDSU. This is without a perfect storm for a down season. But 2023 looks like a setup for an unbelievable season. Don’t think how’s the time to blow it up and waste that, but something has to change if the Yotes can take advantage of that schedule. I don’t often post in the football forum, but I do have a small bit of insight from an inside source to share. Your #2 and #3 points are right on the mark. I’d add that Bob’s hand was forced. There were legal liability reasons for the change that had nothing to do with coaching performance. Really unfortunate situation. Schlafke’s a good coach and a good man, but this was a situation similar to Steve Sarkisian, and that’s all I’ll say on that. On the QB situation it seems that Camp may have lost the locker room. The backup is capable but isn’t being given a shot for whatever reason. Keep in mind that we lost our QB Coach too, not just OC. Our defense is stout. Both the talent and the coaches. Would be a real shame to lose Coach Johansen in a coaching change. (Or players to the portal). He is the real deal. The overall message is that we likely need to overhaul the offensive staff, but a complete wipe would probably set us back in a big way, and there is talent on this team. At minimum we need to keep Johansen on staff. Like I said, this info isn’t from me, so I won’t be able to elaborate on it. Take it for what it’s worth… or with a grain of salt… or whatever. |
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Post by easmus on Oct 19, 2022 8:00:27 GMT -6
The above is correct on the reason for OC change.
I would love to see defensive staff remain in tact.
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Post by yoteforever on Oct 19, 2022 9:08:08 GMT -6
There’s no question this has been about as frustrating a season as I can remember. If Coach Schlafke was let go for reasons other than play calling or player development then you can trace the demise from there. If you were to ask Coach Nielsen if he’s an offensive coordinator my guess is he would say no. He hadn’t probably called plays in well over 25 years. But Bob is the head coach, and his choice was Dante Warren or himself. As the head man, you never put your assistants in a position to fail. If Dante wasn’t anywhere near ready then like any honorable head coach, Bob put it on himself. There’s ZERO chance the offense was going to improve or our quarterbacks developing.
This sucks for everyone. I love Ted as a person, but if the rumors that I hear are true, he literally put our entire season at risk. It’s unrealistic to believe we would just go on as if nothing happened. Something apparently did happen and now the question is can we stop the bleeding? If we can, we have the capability to win out. Say what you want, but we do. Do I think that will happen? No I don’t. But it’s feasible. There isn’t a team left on the schedule we can’t beat. There’s also not a team on the schedule we can’t lose to.
Let’s start and look back at Illinois State. As bad as our offense played, we lined up in the 4th quarter to kick the go ahead field goal from roughly 41 yards. It was long enough but he pushed it right. Then there was the PI call that was taken back on 4th down that would’ve put us in position to try another field goal with another first down or two. I have officiated college football and you NEVER pick up a pass interference call. That group of officials huddled near the Illinois State sideline where their coaches were screaming their asses off. That officiating crew was intimidated. Very simply put. There’s no guaranty we would’ve converted on another field goal but the opportunity existed.
Now Southern Illinois comes to town. 4-0 in The Valley. Defensive coordinator is Jason Petrino, former Coyote coach. This is a winnable game. In fact if we could get a somewhat convincing win ( that’s a big IF ) then who knows. We go to Youngstown State and they certainly aren’t any better on paper than we are. Then home to Missouri State, then Grand Forks, then finish with UNI. Say what you want but they are all winnable games. Not one team left is heads and tails better.
I understand completely why there’s not much energy heading into this weekends game. But in the same breath, are we fans of teams that only win? We were in the playoffs last year, and hosted. Not a lot has changed from last year OTHER THAN the Coach Schlafke incident. That’s a huge change. I personally want to see how this plays out before we throw the entire staff under the bus. I could build an argument it would be easier to have lost your head coach after the second game and the team fare better.
Why Carson Camp isn’t playing better might be on this. I don’t know. I do know if I were Bob and Carson isn’t getting it done,I would try #2. If for no other reason than to show your team and the fan base you’re flexible and willing to change things up. Bob hadn’t done that to date, but that also doesn’t mean he won’t. My personal feeling is if we could get one win, then number two is simpler. There’s a lot of pressure on their backs right now. Just line up and play football.
As fans, get in the Dome and support this team. The season is not over. We have some big time recruits committed in this upcoming class. Don’t lose them. The defense people is off the charts good. They really are. They just can’t be on the field for 36-40 minutes a game. That’s unrealistic. We can win. I expect to win.
Happy D-Days
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Post by bobo on Oct 19, 2022 9:41:46 GMT -6
Very well stated by all. We cannot lose Johansen, he and the defensive staff have done a tremendous job of preparing and motivating the defense in some extremely tough situations (especially with no offense to speak of) and have that side of the ball has given us a fighting chance in every one of these games. And if we remember, he was getting blasted in his first couple of years for giving up way to many points and big plays on defense. Yes, the OC situation is one that is extremely difficult to handle in season and especially with no one on staff that is prepared nor capable of calling the offense. There is absolutely no question that the trust and faith in the QB is at a bare minimum, how they handle it is on the coaching staff can either spark the offense or allow it to continue to falter, but we cannot keep allowing below mediocre play dictate the flow of our offense and not hold someone accountable. I've said it before, you can't try to hide the QB position and that's what we are doing, it should be one of your highlight guys especially in this day and age of football.
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 19, 2022 9:52:03 GMT -6
Not having an OC/QB coach put the team in a really tough situation. The interim plan, including Bob take over the play calling, isn't working. I am not an X & O's guy so I won't comment on the actual plays being called, but we seem to burn at least one timeout every half because plays aren't getting in on time, in addition to way too many delay of game penalties.
Tyler Paopao, the wide receiver coach, would be a potential interim offensive coordinator/play caller. He was OC at Eastern Oregon, a NAIA school from 2012-17.
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