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Post by obc on Jan 11, 2023 7:54:52 GMT -6
He is not a good hire, he is a great hire. Ask anyone close to the SDSU FB program and you will hear how respected he is. If you were looking for national name recognition or a Power 5 guy - I can see why it is disappointing. I just want to win, and JD will give our program a great opportunity to improve. He is well aware of the transition sdsu had to make from a personnel standpoint to climb the MVFC and build the consistency sdsu now has. On the offensive side, it really turned for sdsu when they built the OL with high level players 9 to 10 deep. I love and support our players, but the talent gap is not insignificant. How many USD players would have started for sdsu this year? There is not a single offensive player that would have started for them in my view. JD is a great recruiter. He has deep ties to Nebraska. USD is the closest MVFC school to Nebraska and we have not done as well recruiting there as we should. JD can help with that.
Now he needs to build his offensive staff. He is going to be a great addition, but should be given the opportunity to have his people in place.
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Post by canislatrans on Jan 11, 2023 7:55:56 GMT -6
Our offense has been very vanilla the last few years and I hope now will have a lot of motion, multiple looks, etc to keep defenses guessing which will be great!! Hopefully we can pu some more recruits and portal transfers in the next month and be ready to ROLL!! Curious what the changes will be for the offense. I'm hoping that we can find ways to use our RBs and OL to pound out the yards, and increase time of possession. I'm not that familiar with Coach Davis' time as OC, though it seems that the offense produced. Any insight from the FB experts? |
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Post by captaincoyote on Jan 11, 2023 8:27:45 GMT -6
Our offense has been very vanilla the last few years and I hope now will have a lot of motion, multiple looks, etc to keep defenses guessing which will be great!! Hopefully we can pu some more recruits and portal transfers in the next month and be ready to ROLL!! Curious what the changes will be for the offense. I'm hoping that we can find ways to use our RBs and OL to pound out the yards, and increase time of possession. I'm not that familiar with Coach Davis' time as OC, though it seems that the offense produced. Any insight from the FB experts? His bio says that he built one of the top padding offenses in the NAIA at Northwestern and that was his focus at state. I don’t think he’ll go full Mike Leach (RIP) air raid spread, but we’ll certainly be balanced. Either way, success is determined first at the line of scrimmage and then secondly with who is taking the snap. |
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Post by MD on Jan 11, 2023 8:44:22 GMT -6
Now he needs to build his offensive staff. He is going to be a great addition, but should be given the opportunity to have his people in place. First, I am a fan of the hire from where I sit. Second, I hadn't really thought about the above. I wonder how much of a shakeup we can expect with position coaches? |
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Post by golfingyote on Jan 11, 2023 9:45:23 GMT -6
I like the hire for a couple reasons. First, Like I mentioned in the Natty champ thread, we need to build a roster/philosophy around beating the xdsu schools- we tried the spread offense and various concepts off of it primarily shotgun based and have not had the success necessary to be reliable and sustainable in the valley. I am not saying we need to have strictly run first, power run game offense, but we do need to have some aspect of that to be successful. you can't have 2 conference losses every year on your schedule before its even made simply because you don't have a power run game and can't stop the power run game. While Josh is by nature has a WR/passing game background- he was around one of if not thee best rushing attack in FCS over the last decade basically. So, blending into my second point, he brings a new perspective and is not from the Bob Nielsen coaching tree which I like. we need to mix it up because the offense was insanely vanilla and conservative once Bob took over play calling this year and Camp was still at the helm- some to protect the ball i am sure. So I am excited for the hire, and I find it very strange to already be questioning the 2 basketball hires.
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Post by Yote 53 on Jan 11, 2023 10:13:15 GMT -6
I disagree. I think he is very qualified for the position and will do a good job. What I can't wrap my head around is the SDSU connections. I mean he's been a blue lifer, so it seems odd, strange, weird (insert your own adjective) that he'd end up at USD. Kind of like Farve playing for the Vikings. He has my support though and hope he's very successful. On a different note, both our basketball hires were good hires. I'll take that to the bank. At the end of the day, it's a job. A reminder that Coach Friedel was at Augustana for many years before he came to USD. |
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Post by coffeedrinker11 on Jan 11, 2023 10:56:56 GMT -6
Great hire from my view, not only as the OC, but as a recruiter familiar with Nebraska.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 11, 2023 21:08:16 GMT -6
Pathetic hire. Dude has the same position as he had in 2009? And this is perhaps our HC in waiting? Yikes. Fully believe that Herbster does not care anymore. Bringing Bob back was a strong indicator, then hiring whatever former assistants to coach our basketball teams, but this OC hire drives it all home. I had thought Herbster was best in the league for years, but it is time for him to leave. He has lost touch. Too bad we can't buy anyone out and he will get to coast as long as he wants. Specifically, who would you have hired? Have you had a conversation with Herbster and the coaching staff to understand how the process went, who else they looked at, what our budget was, and how he is envisioning the athletic department developing over the next 5 years? Did you read Davis’s bio to see where he was 2016-2021 and what he accomplished? Weirdly strong criticism, even for a message board. Maybe we should give him and the basketball coaches some time before we give out a final grade. I don't doubt that he could be a good offensive coordinator, but I thought the idea was that the person taking this job would be Bob's successor. His only coordinator experience is at the lowest level of college football. Incredibly unproven. If we are sticking to the plan of him being the next head coach then this is a wild roll of the dice. Would have been better off blowing up the staff a few months ago instead of prolonging that inevitability. (The basketball hires could absolutely work out. I believe it is evidence of a pattern showing that Herbster may be phoning it in. Not proof, but evidence. Pairing those hires with the decision to keep Bob after an abysmal season has me asking questions.) |
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Post by MD on Jan 12, 2023 8:08:55 GMT -6
If the OC is/was to become the new HC, why is our DC listed as Associate HC? That's who's in line I'd think.
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Post by sdyotefan on Jan 12, 2023 8:22:17 GMT -6
I doubt if it's cast in stone that anyone will automatically become head coach when Bob retires. I would think there would be a nationwide search. Someone moving up was more a discussion point by posters.
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Post by golfingyote on Jan 12, 2023 8:45:20 GMT -6
Performance would also be a major factor. you cant really promote anyone internally when you are winning 4-5 games a year. Feels like we would need to be in the 7-10 win ball park consistently to even discuss an internal promotion or coach in waiting.
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Post by nccyote on Jan 12, 2023 9:08:59 GMT -6
Performance would also be a major factor. you cant really promote anyone internally when you are winning 4-5 games a year. Feels like we would need to be in the 7-10 win ball park consistently to even discuss an internal promotion or coach in waiting. This is spot on, why would anyone be worried about a coach in waiting when we have a head coach with a sub .500 overall record in his 7 seasons at the helm. This is a high ceiling OC hire. |
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 12, 2023 9:30:21 GMT -6
If the OC is/was to become the new HC, why is our DC listed as Associate HC? That's who's in line I'd think. True, but it seems like that "AHC" label in the past has been used justifying a higher salary for an assistant who is either an ace recruiter, or a really, really good position/coord coach, rather than "next in line" necessarily. Its often used to just keep someone good in the fold at a higher salary, IIRC. The whole "OC with next in line for HC" thing was not based on any inside information, of course. It was just wild speculation on this board IIRC. Probably earlier in this thread. |
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Post by yoteforever on Jan 12, 2023 13:05:05 GMT -6
The ultimate goal of this football program should be to build a solid foundation where there would be continuity of success. We are no where close to that right now, but we can be. If the head coach retires or goes to a higher level job, and we have years of continued success, the obvious choice to succeed the departing coach would be someone already on staff.
I would cite NDSU as an example. When their head coach is hired by a bigger program they hire within. That way recruiting isn’t disrupted. Every time you have a wholesale change in staff, I believe you set the program back a minimum of three years. The system is in place and needs not to be disrupted. The coach that leaves undoubtedly takes some staff with him, but the “cream of his coaching pool” usually stays and becomes the new head coach. Again, the system.
Bob needs to raise the bar no question. But that means making an investment in the program. Both the fan base and the university need to do all that is feasible for this to happen. Bob knows he needs to win at a higher rate. You know that and I know that. But the one thing you can’t fault him for is integrity within the program. That has been established. The Coyotes run a clean program. That can’t be said at a lot of other places. Hiring Coach Davis is hopefully a step in that direction. Replace coaches that aren’t doing their job with coaches that can do the job. Once that’s in place, along with the investment needed to make that happen, good things should happen. If not, that’s when wholesale changes need to happen.
There never should be a coach hired that is told by anyone in the department they are the heir apparent. That should come as a result of their skill level while coaching at USD. I’m extremely hopeful we turn the corner in 2023 and establish the foundation I just talked about. A couple of good years and 2022 is in the past and out of our minds. I’ve said this many times and I’ll say it again. USD is a diamond in the rough. We can win in all sports. But we have to commit to making it happen.
Coach Davis is a good start. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time
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Post by fightsd on Jan 12, 2023 13:32:46 GMT -6
The ultimate goal of this football program should be to build a solid foundation where there would be continuity of success. We are no where close to that right now, but we can be. If the head coach retires or goes to a higher level job, and we have years of continued success, the obvious choice to succeed the departing coach would be someone already on staff. I would cite NDSU as an example. When their head coach is hired by a bigger program they hire within. That way recruiting isn’t disrupted. Every time you have a wholesale change in staff, I believe you set the program back a minimum of three years. The system is in place and needs not to be disrupted. The coach that leaves undoubtedly takes some staff with him, but the “cream of his coaching pool” usually stays and becomes the new head coach. Again, the system. Bob needs to raise the bar no question. But that means making an investment in the program. Both the fan base and the university need to do all that is feasible for this to happen. Bob knows he needs to win at a higher rate. You know that and I know that. But the one thing you can’t fault him for is integrity within the program. That has been established. The Coyotes run a clean program. That can’t be said at a lot of other places. Hiring Coach Davis is hopefully a step in that direction. Replace coaches that aren’t doing their job with coaches that can do the job. Once that’s in place, along with the investment needed to make that happen, good things should happen. If not, that’s when wholesale changes need to happen. There never should be a coach hired that is told by anyone in the department they are the heir apparent. That should come as a result of their skill level while coaching at USD. I’m extremely hopeful we turn the corner in 2023 and establish the foundation I just talked about. A couple of good years and 2022 is in the past and out of our minds. I’ve said this many times and I’ll say it again. USD is a diamond in the rough. We can win in all sports. But we have to commit to making it happen. Coach Davis is a good start. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time I struggle with the NDSU example. You're comparing apples and sail boats. NDSU consistently wins national championships. USD consistently wins some non conference games and picks up a couple conference wins here and there. Of course they would hire from within, their system is in place and it's working. Ours is really not. |
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