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Post by MD on Jan 16, 2023 14:02:19 GMT -6
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Post by 90yote on Jan 16, 2023 15:09:07 GMT -6
I have to admit I was more perturbed by Karius benching Larkins on fouls 3 and 4 like it was a normal situation and not the kind of blowout that you weren’t “saving” your best player for crunch time for. Yeah, one of my pet peeves. Thank God she didn't foul out, then it could've really gotten out of hand. |
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Post by kiyoat on Jan 16, 2023 16:02:32 GMT -6
I have to admit I was more perturbed by Karius benching Larkins on fouls 3 and 4 like it was a normal situation and not the kind of blowout that you weren’t “saving” your best player for crunch time for. Yeah, one of my pet peeves. Thank God she didn't foul out, then it could've really gotten out of hand. Not sure if serious, let me get out my Sarcas-o-Meter...  Yep. That's what i thought. |
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Post by yotenation on Jan 16, 2023 19:50:59 GMT -6
Did it bother anyone else that A.J. Did not pull his starters until State was up by 59 in the 4th quarter? Nothing I would worry about too much. AJ seems to have his panties in a bunch about USD's success in recent years but whatever. It will just make it sweeter when the Yotes get back to beating that team up north. Not sure it's the wisest thing though. Can you imagine Myah Selland going down with a serious injury while still playing in the 4th quarter while up 50 points? I think I'd want to avoid the possibility of that kind of disaster if I were AJ. |
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Post by yote18 on Jan 16, 2023 19:54:22 GMT -6
I will admit there were some coaching calls that didn’t entirely make sense. But I think it came down to we have a 1st time head coach, and a staff as a whole with relatively no experience coaching experience, trying to coach in an environment that many WBB programs never experience. They were simply shell shocked and were thrown straight into the deep end with that game.
Kayla has been in games against SDSU as an assistant, but she left before the U-State rivalry got hyper from 2019-2022. Our expectations were a lot different back then and both teams had elevated their level of play to win. Unfortunately we’re in a total rebuild, and state is still at the level we left them at. Wouldn’t have mattered who we had coaching with this team, SDSU was out for blood and they got it. I just hope the team and coaches use this as a reality check. Our rightful place is in the top 2 and right now we’re not top 5 imo.
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Post by 91jack on Jan 17, 2023 20:09:07 GMT -6
Did it bother anyone else that A.J. Did not pull his starters until State was up by 59 in the 4th quarter? Nothing I would worry about too much. AJ seems to have his panties in a bunch about USD's success in recent years but whatever. It will just make it sweeter when the Yotes get back to beating that team up north. Not sure it's the wisest thing though. Can you imagine Myah Selland going down with a serious injury while still playing in the 4th quarter while up 50 points? I think I'd want to avoid the possibility of that kind of disaster if I were AJ. I agree that I would of pulled Myah from the game, too She has had some injury history and the game was over. I remember when Stig was still playing Taryn Christian in the 2017 quarterfinal football playoff game against Hew Hampshire. SDSU was up big in the 4th quarter. He was roughed on one play and then he was late hit on the next play. He turned the ball over about 7 times in the semifinals against James Madison. I think he got injured when he should have been on the bench drinking gatorade. James Madison was a great team that year so it might not have made a big difference but that is a lot of TO's by a good player. Now back to WBB. I do not know when you should pull players. Does it go by score, minutes played by the starters or what? SDSU's starters played 19, 22, 22, 25 and 26 minutes (again- I think that was too many even though nobody played 2/3 of the game). The bottom of SDSU's bench played 5, 5, 7, 8 and 11 minutes. Two years ago, USD beat Kansas City by 58 points and their starters played 20, 21, 23, 24 and 26 minutes. The bottom of their bench played 3, 6, 7, 8 and 10 minutes. I know that it is not the same but the end results of the game are really close. SDSU won by 59 USD won by 58 SDSU starters played 114 minutes USD's starters played 114 minutes SDSU last 5 players played 36 minutes YSD last 5 players played 34 minutes. |
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Post by 90yote on Jan 17, 2023 21:54:05 GMT -6
Nothing I would worry about too much. AJ seems to have his panties in a bunch about USD's success in recent years but whatever. It will just make it sweeter when the Yotes get back to beating that team up north. Not sure it's the wisest thing though. Can you imagine Myah Selland going down with a serious injury while still playing in the 4th quarter while up 50 points? I think I'd want to avoid the possibility of that kind of disaster if I were AJ. I agree that I would of pulled Myah from the game, too She has had some injury history and the game was over. I remember when Stig was still playing Taryn Christian in the 2017 quarterfinal football playoff game against Hew Hampshire. SDSU was up big in the 4th quarter. He was roughed on one play and then he was late hit on the next play. He turned the ball over about 7 times in the semifinals against James Madison. I think he got injured when he should have been on the bench drinking gatorade. James Madison was a great team that year so it might not have made a big difference but that is a lot of TO's by a good player. Now back to WBB. I do not know when you should pull players. Does it go by score, minutes played by the starters or what? SDSU's starters played 19, 22, 22, 25 and 26 minutes (again- I think that was too many even though nobody played 2/3 of the game). The bottom of SDSU's bench played 5, 5, 7, 8 and 11 minutes. Two years ago, USD beat Kansas City by 58 points and their starters played 20, 21, 23, 24 and 26 minutes. The bottom of their bench played 3, 6, 7, 8 and 10 minutes. I know that it is not the same but the end results of the game are really close. SDSU won by 59 USD won by 58 SDSU starters played 114 minutes USD's starters played 114 minutes SDSU last 5 players played 36 minutes YSD last 5 players played 34 minutes. Yeah, this didn't upset me as much as others (though we don't need Reed F______ Tellinghuisen responding to Twitter posts about this subject). I think what drew the most ire was re-inserting starters at the start of the 4th quarter, even though they were out by the 7-minute mark. To your point, re-inserting starters with a large lead at the start of the 4Q was fairly common for Dawn Plitzuweit. Partly because the starters began most every quarter. But also partly due to her concern about the health...of the reserves! I heard her discuss this one time. She felt it wasn't fair to ask reserves who maybe average 10-15 minutes a game to have to finish the last 15 minutes of a game. In some cases she played a starter (often Krull) along with the end of the bench to maintain some level of organization on the floor. So the games you selected are good comparisons. However, I did go back and look at the play-by-play and in that game from 2 years ago, Sjerven was pulled with 6 minutes left in the 3rd...Lamb with 3 minutes left in the 3rd...Krull with 5 minutes left in the 3rd...and Korngable at the end of the 3rd. Yotes were up 50 at the end of the 3rd, Jacks were up 51 at the end of the 3rd Saturday. So again, I wasn't that fired up about it. All the people who had a pretty good level of success against AJ are gone, so it's not like I felt he was "getting revenge" against anyone. But, he did handle the 4Q a bit differently, and if he hadn't done that I don't think you probably would have had too much of a reaction. I will say that the way the Jacks are playing, AJ will probably need to play his starters with big leads because otherwise they probably won't be ready to play 30 minutes in the postseason. Lol. |
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MD
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Post by MD on Jan 18, 2023 8:54:29 GMT -6
Yeah, this didn't upset me as much as others (though we don't need Reed F______ Tellinghuisen responding to Twitter posts about this subject). I think what drew the most ire was re-inserting starters at the start of the 4th quarter, even though they were out by the 7-minute mark. LOL..good ole Reed Telly. If he's reading this I've saved you the trouble of having to see my tweets any longer bud. If I had a stomach of steel I'd go back and watch, but I don't think he ever truly took all 5 starters out til the 4th. Maybe that's more normal than not in these types of games, gladly we haven't been on this end often if at all in recent times. My tweet was really just to have the players back. |
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Post by Men's League Waterboy on Jan 18, 2023 9:14:44 GMT -6
It ain't junior high athletics.
Take your licks.
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Post by 91jack on Jan 28, 2023 10:53:31 GMT -6
Not to rehash this but I find it interesting that less than two weeks after the SDSU game, USD did the same thing with their starters. They were up 19 against Western Illinois with 1:54 left and Western Illinois pulled their starters. USD did not pull their starters until there was 1:11 left.
I know that 19 points isn't 60 but 1:11 isn't 7:30 either.
I would not have done what either coach did but I guess that is why they are paid the big bucks and I am not.
I know that this is a rebuilding year for USD but I can still see USD and SDSU in the Summit League tournament championship. NDSU might be tough but it takes a lot for these two teams to not be at the top of this league. USD just needs to be the #2 or #3 seed.
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Post by elcoyote on Jan 28, 2023 11:22:50 GMT -6
Not to rehash this but I find it interesting that less than two weeks after the SDSU game, USD did the same thing with their starters. They were up 19 against Western Illinois with 1:54 left and Western Illinois pulled their starters. USD did not pull their starters until there was 1:11 left. I know that 19 points isn't 60 but 1:11 isn't 7:30 either. I would not have done what either coach did but I guess that is why they are paid the big bucks and I am not. I know that this is a rebuilding year for USD but I can still see USD and SDSU in the Summit League tournament championship. NDSU might be tough but it takes a lot for these two teams to not be at the top of this league. USD just needs to be the #2 or #3 seed. If we would have pulled all of our starters we would have only had three players on the floor. |
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Post by gopheryote on Jan 28, 2023 11:41:19 GMT -6
Wow. Cold take alert. The only thing that would have made it better would have been to reference USD putting a starter BACK IN the game with a minute left. (one of the 3 reserves fouled out)
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Post by fightsd on Jan 28, 2023 11:51:43 GMT -6
Not to rehash this but I find it interesting that less than two weeks after the SDSU game, USD did the same thing with their starters. They were up 19 against Western Illinois with 1:54 left and Western Illinois pulled their starters. USD did not pull their starters until there was 1:11 left. I know that 19 points isn't 60 but 1:11 isn't 7:30 either. I would not have done what either coach did but I guess that is why they are paid the big bucks and I am not. I know that this is a rebuilding year for USD but I can still see USD and SDSU in the Summit League tournament championship. NDSU might be tough but it takes a lot for these two teams to not be at the top of this league. USD just needs to be the #2 or #3 seed. Lol this is dumb, even for someone that went to state. |
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Post by 90yote on Jan 28, 2023 12:46:27 GMT -6
Not to rehash this but I find it interesting that less than two weeks after the SDSU game, USD did the same thing with their starters. They were up 19 against Western Illinois with 1:54 left and Western Illinois pulled their starters. USD did not pull their starters until there was 1:11 left. I know that 19 points isn't 60 but 1:11 isn't 7:30 either. I would not have done what either coach did but I guess that is why they are paid the big bucks and I am not. I know that this is a rebuilding year for USD but I can still see USD and SDSU in the Summit League tournament championship. NDSU might be tough but it takes a lot for these two teams to not be at the top of this league. USD just needs to be the #2 or #3 seed. You're right. Nineteen points is not the same as 60. |
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Post by 91jack on Jan 28, 2023 12:52:46 GMT -6
Not to rehash this but I find it interesting that less than two weeks after the SDSU game, USD did the same thing with their starters. They were up 19 against Western Illinois with 1:54 left and Western Illinois pulled their starters. USD did not pull their starters until there was 1:11 left. I know that 19 points isn't 60 but 1:11 isn't 7:30 either. I would not have done what either coach did but I guess that is why they are paid the big bucks and I am not. I know that this is a rebuilding year for USD but I can still see USD and SDSU in the Summit League tournament championship. NDSU might be tough but it takes a lot for these two teams to not be at the top of this league. USD just needs to be the #2 or #3 seed. If we would have pulled all of our starters we would have only had three players on the floor. Sorry- I just came back because I just thought about that. Your team is really short handed right now. You could of pulled your best player though. |
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