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Post by nolesfan on Oct 23, 2011 23:02:23 GMT -6
W. is a W. everyone knows we didnt play well. im sure the players and definately the coaches too. but we also got jobbed on t-starrs return for six, missed 3 fg's and missed a wide open tight end on a great call in the redzone where wilhelm would walk in. if we even get one of those breaks its a run-away. 1 of their td's was a fluke when potter wiffed on him.I find it rediculous people are talking about forgetting this, its a friggin W. we play for a conf champ next week and were complaining we didnt play great... its amazing how many great coaches are on this board..everyone is an expert. Im definately not but i know all i care about is a W. Go yotes.
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Post by jman1985 on Oct 23, 2011 23:43:48 GMT -6
Nobody was complaining about the win, nolesfan. Agreed, a win's a win, especially for this program and its goals for a conference championship.
All you had to do was listen to coach Meierkort say how frustrated he is with the offense, that's the area all of us on this board are concerned with. What happens next week at Cal Poly? What happens when USD goes to Grand Forks? Will it be another disappointing offensive performance, or will the Coyotes figure things out and win on the road? That's all we're saying.
A point made earlier by someone was on the money, I feel, about not trying to get the mid-range game going (to steal a basketball phrase). That quick pass to Jeremy Blount that resulted in a touchdown was obviously a huge play. As was that first pass to Will Powell for like 40-42 yards. But other than that, not much else looked that solid on offense, Marcus Sims had another nice game, and even Chris Ganious had some nice runs.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 23, 2011 23:49:50 GMT -6
W. is a W. everyone knows we didnt play well. im sure the players and definately the coaches too. but we also got jobbed on t-starrs return for six, missed 3 fg's and missed a wide open tight end on a great call in the redzone where wilhelm would walk in. if we even get one of those breaks its a run-away. 1 of their td's was a fluke when potter wiffed on him.I find it rediculous people are talking about forgetting this, its a friggin W. we play for a conf champ next week and were complaining we didnt play great... its amazing how many great coaches are on this board..everyone is an expert. Im definately not but i know all i care about is a W. Go yotes. No one is doubting that a W is a W. It also cannot be denied that there are some major concerns that come out of the past couple of weeks. This Coyote team is full of vertans and what should be veteran leadership. I for one expected a better effort at Illinois State and also expected the Yotes to play better than they did against UC Davis. The D was solid. I wouldn't call them spectacular but solid. I really have no problem with the D this year in general. Teams play as teams and the individual units have to compliment each other such as special teams, offense, defense etc. If this Coyote team progressed from last year like they should have I think USD beats Ill State by a touchdown and beats UCDavis by 3 touchdowns and looks very sharp in the process. I simply am not seeing that the last couple of weeks from a team that should be just gaining their stride not having as many question marks that now exist. This is a senior dominated team of D1 recruited players. It should result in more success. Something needs to change on offense. There are 4 basic problems with the offense. 1. The OLine. At this point there isnt a whole lot that can be done other than minor adjustments to personell and or scheming. The Yotes basically have what they have. 2. The quarterback. He is who he is at this point. Not a whole lot is going to be able to be changed other than Ed giving JVM some playing time. 3. Wes Beschorner. This basically comes down to philosophy and experience. He has been on the job now long enough where we should expect more improvement depending on his level of control over this unit. This factor is also controllable by Meierkort. 4. Meierkort himself. He is ultimately responsible for what goes on with the team from A to Z. If things aren't getting done or running smoothly it's his job to get things righted. If Meierkort himself is not getting it done than the responsibility falls on Saylors shoulders at seasons end because he has makes the call on who hold the reigns to the team. He is responsible for the success of the entire athletic department. At this point in time what has happened the last couple of weeks and last several years does not bode well for the liklihood of the Yotes winning either road game and therefor winning the Great West. If this is not the year for the Yotes to really have a successfull year I don't know when that is ever going to happen under this administration. Next year is not likely to see improvements due to the heavy losses to graduation. It could get very ugly for the Yotes having a full schedule of difficult games that will require the Yotes to be "Up" for every or almost every week. That really hasn't happened during the transition yet.
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Post by chuck on Oct 24, 2011 7:42:31 GMT -6
Good win by the Yotes--it might be worthwhile to consider that the final margin of victory easily could've been much wider. That is, a normally steady field goal kicker missed a couple of field goals, and if we make one more first down with about two minutes left would've eliminated UCD's final touchdown. So, it could've easily been 33-17. That said, coulda woulda shoulda doesn't count--UCD could probably cite similar plays that would've changed the outcome.
This could be a GREAT WEEK, and I for one am going to just get my hopes up and enjoy it. If we get a good road win and the offense plays well, many of our concerns will be greatly mitigated. That said, it could be a scary week, too, as I hope we aren't seeing a downward trend similar to last year.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 24, 2011 7:54:49 GMT -6
I'm going to agree with what Col Jessup said earlier, we need to get back to our identity on offense and that is smash mouth football. Line up in the I and hand it off to Sims. Let's pound the football and work the play action off of that. Sometimes I think coaches get so wrapped up with the toys they have to play with. By toys I mean formations and plays, just because we have a spread formation doesn't mean we have to use it.
All this being said, a W is a W, and I'm glad to see everyone on here concerned after a WIN. Given the history of this program who would have thought that? The Yotes won and we still complain. Tells me we've kind of arrived. Oh, and to play poorly, which we did on offense, and still win also means we've arrived. We can win ugly.
That's all I got, on to Cal Poly.
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Post by chuck on Oct 24, 2011 7:56:23 GMT -6
Also thought I'd add that from my perspective (sometimes it is tough to tell), the crowd was decent. Certainly it wasn't as electric as D-Days or EWU, but I was fearing something similar to last year's Northern Colorado game. Looked to me like the red seats were pretty full---with a better student turnout we would've been above 9,000....pushing 10,000.
On a somewhat related note, I saw the SDSU-NDSU game had a good turnout--about 14,000 and that SDSU is still drawing well during a down year. I haven't been a South Dakotan for too long---Can anyone comment on the SDSU crowds during their transition? For example, did they see a drop and gradual increase?
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 24, 2011 8:21:45 GMT -6
For SDSU they have enjoyed a steady increase in attendance. Still, when the weather turns the fans don't show. I think they had an attendance of like 3500 against UND last November. That's pretty bad.
I thought the turnout was good Saturday but their wasn't a buzz. I have seats down front, I left them at half and went and sat up near the top of the Dome. I really get tired of getting told to sit down. Look, when it's 3rd and 7 in our territory and we need a defensive stop I'm going to stand. If it's 2nd and 5 in our red zone, I'm going to stand and cheer. I suggest the rest of the fans follow the lead and stand to cheer. This is not church.
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Post by jackjd on Oct 24, 2011 10:35:12 GMT -6
For SDSU they have enjoyed a steady increase in attendance. Still, when the weather turns the fans don't show. I think they had an attendance of like 3500 against UND last November. That's pretty bad.... As noted by Yote53, SDSU's attendance since the D-1 move has enjoyed a steady increase. And when the weather turned last year, the attendance dropped but I think other factors contributed to the drop (season record; fans still learning to be fans; non-conference opponent). Here are the actual numbers from last year's home games: Illinois State (L) 12,475 Western Illinois (W) 11,353 Youngstown (W) 14,697 Missouri State (W) 7,724 UND (W) 3,918 TOTAL: 50,117. Average for 2010: 10,023. Here are the numbers so far for SDSU 2011 home games: Southern Utah (W) 10,113 Indiana State (L) 12,313 Northern Iowa (L) 11,131 NDSU (L) 14,823 FOUR GAME AVERAGE: 12,095 I have some personal opinions on the subject of fan attendance -- most of which are based on gut conclusions. I think a significant factor on the increase in attendance, and a factor that I think will cause USD's attendance to steadily increase, is familiarity with opponents. The fans get to know not only the teams in the MVFC and their coaches, but the standout players will be very familiar with TV coverage, tailgating, faster and bigger athletes, and the increased attention/marketing given to D-1. Weather is a factor in attendance although I can see the potential for cold weather -- if the fans are ready for it -- being almost a reason to go to a football game. I'm old enough to have caught the tail-end of the Vikings era at Met Stadium -- my first tailgating experience was in the snow at Met Stadium and it was a lot of fun. I haven't been to a Packers game at Lambeau in November or December but it looks like bad weather is just a different reason to have a party. In the past couple of years, my wife and I have acquired some great rain and cold-weather gear so we're prepared. (I think weather will always deter fans but my hope is that the percentage of those who won't be deterred grows.) Last year, by the time the Missouri State and UND games were played, SDSU's fortunes were sealed and I think that impacted attendance. Attendance really fell off for the UND game -- it was cold that day, the students had essentially no familiarity with UND and, obviously, not enough adults cared to show up. I think that as a fan base, we're still learning about having a good time tailgating and supporting the team no matter what but lets face it: winning helps. This year we should have an excellent season average for home attendance -- probably a new record. A significant reason was assistance from the schedule: NDSU on the second-to-last home game and Hobo Day for the last home game insures good attendance numbers. USD, like SDSU, will have a fan-learning curve. You can see it now. I have a friend I see at church every Sunday -- a USD guy. Four years ago he didn't follow USD athletics closely. He does now and he's starting to go to games.
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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 24, 2011 10:48:43 GMT -6
As far as bad weather goes, it didn't look good for tailgating Saturday morning. Reports were it was downpouring in Yankton and along HWY 50 heading towards Verm. There was a spattering of on and off light showers around 10 to 11 as we set up the tailgate. The great part was as the light drizzle continued more and more people showed up to tailgate, even thought the weather was suspect. In the end, by 2pm the tailgates were hopping and the sun was out. I don't think it would have mattered if the sun came out or not, people were showing up and were ready to party.
The setups and tailgating equipment continue to get more elaborate as well. The Fanbulance, Cousin Eddy's RV, Coyote Lazies, the Green Bus, and the original Chevy pickup turned into a smoker/grill. Gonna have to do some work this off-season to step the game up.
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 24, 2011 10:52:04 GMT -6
I agree on the importance of familiarity with opponents and think one of the big benefits of the Yotes & Rabbits being in the same conference is that the playing of the same opponents will help increase the familarity of the opponents with both fan bases.
Another important factor is playing teams that are closer geographically and therefore will increase the visitors attendance. The Rabbits will obviously always bring a good crowd to the Verm. The Bison always travel in numbers. UNI also has potential to bring along a fair number of fans.
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Post by nolesfan on Oct 24, 2011 12:52:08 GMT -6
Coyotefan- did you and meierkort get in a fight or something? the team is ranked in the top 25 for the last 7 weeks now, hes 39-5 at home, one of the winningest coaches in usd history. this isnt the NFL or even big time college football, he wont be going anywhere like him or not. I but to everyone elses response i see your points and i can agree with the road woes. we gotta figure that out. Go yotes
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Post by pierreyote on Oct 24, 2011 13:06:58 GMT -6
I would like to add that I feel this team/program is on solid footing. We won a game without our best effort. The coaching staff/players realize that they have been off a bit on offense and are working hard to fix the issues. Let's move forward, like the coaches/players and get ready for Poly. Go yotes.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 24, 2011 15:44:19 GMT -6
Just curiously. If Ed does indeed stay on as coach for at least a few years how does everyone think the Yotes will do in the MVFC
Next year? 2013? 2014-2015? 10 years from now?
I simply have a different thought of how things will go than most people do. It's not based on anything but purely objective analysis based upon strictly facts and not biases.
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 24, 2011 16:23:38 GMT -6
The only way to do a purely objective analysis of future results based on historical performance would be to perform some form of statistical regression analysis. Most, if not all forms or regression analysis require assumptions about what historical data to use and using different assumptions will often times lead to various results. Some of the relevant historical factors that would need to be used would be as follows: Just completing transition period, joining a regional conference, resumption of games with local rivals, limited funding compared to many FCS programs, etc.
In summary, I feel that Ed has the ship heading in the right direction. Maybe its veers off course more than I like & maybe it moves a little to slow, but I like the direction we are heading.
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Post by pierreyote on Oct 24, 2011 16:43:56 GMT -6
The only way to do a purely objective analysis of future results based on historical performance would be to perform some form of statistical regression analysis. Most, if not all forms or regression analysis require assumptions about what historical data to use and using different assumptions will often times lead to various results. Some of the relevant historical factors that would need to be used would be as follows: Just completing transition period, joining a regional conference, resumption of games with local rivals, limited funding compared to many FCS programs, etc. In summary, I feel that Ed has the ship heading in the right direction. Maybe its veers off course more than I like & maybe it moves a little to slow, but I like the direction we are heading. Agreed 100%. Ed rebuilt this program from a period when things weren't always that great.Shortly thereafter Ed, and staff, had the D-2 teams battling in the playoffs. Ed then got stuck in transition purgatory trying to continue the success. While I would like to see some better road performances and more victories considering the circumstances he has done a splendid job. His next challenge is now the MVFC. I like how he has met the previous 2 challenges and believe he will succeed in the 3rd. Quite honestly, we as Coyote Nation need to pick up our game and provide more financial and fan support. Spread the Red
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