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Post by yoteforever on Nov 22, 2011 14:53:56 GMT -6
Informed? Probably Objective? Hardly Sorry, but it is objective. Let's be honest here, the road record is the black eye on the football program. This has been going in since the D-2 days and it still isn't fixed. You know what fixes it, a new coach that won't allow it...just saying. Did you author that article?
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Post by joeybrownerhof on Nov 22, 2011 14:59:42 GMT -6
Wrong person. Same first name though.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 22, 2011 15:03:11 GMT -6
Informed? Probably Objective? Hardly Sorry, but it is objective. Let's be honest here, the road record is the black eye on the football program. This has been going in since the D-2 days and it still isn't fixed. You know what fixes it, a new coach that won't allow it...just saying. You just can't throw that out there without validation. We know about this years (2) road losses and last year we had a couple. You claim this goes way back to D-2 days. Validate that. Did we ever get beat on the road? Yes. Was it an exceptional amount? Hell no. Don't take my word for it. Go back and look into the archives of records and you tell me where this is a pattern that goes back years and years as he suggest.
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Post by yoteforever on Nov 22, 2011 15:06:11 GMT -6
Wrong person. Same first name though. I actually didn't think it was the same person because I know him, but then again, I thought maybe he got a job back in Yankton. Actually CF#1 and I like each other ( I think ) but we are miles apart on this issue. It is way to easy in todays world to just fire someone and start anew.
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Post by joeybrownerhof on Nov 22, 2011 15:40:32 GMT -6
I like Ed and voted to not make a change but you can't ignore this fact. Since the 2008 season (4 years). The Yotes have had the lead or been tied at the half 8 times and lost. During that same span. They Yotes have only won 1 game when they were tied or behind at the half. The Yote team appears to be front runners. We get out ahead early and play great when things are clicking. When other teams adjust and we lose the momentum we fail to adjust and the whole operation goes into fetal mode.
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Post by jman1985 on Nov 22, 2011 15:55:07 GMT -6
what "vote" are you talking about, joeybrownerhof?
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Post by joeybrownerhof on Nov 22, 2011 15:59:00 GMT -6
vote= the poll mentioned above. Don't worry not part of some "Golden Arm Football Commitee"
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 22, 2011 16:11:22 GMT -6
Wrong person. Same first name though. I actually didn't think it was the same person because I know him, but then again, I thought maybe he got a job back in Yankton. Actually CF#1 and I like each other ( I think ) but we are miles apart on this issue. It is way to easy in todays world to just fire someone and start anew. Oh, I still like you and I know it's tough to fire a cough and start anew. Look at McCarney again and how that hire went. But if the situation is done right, a coach with D-I experience can be brought in. Someone mentioned Joe Glenn, and right there is already one capable candidate. Drew Quandt wrote a column called DomeBabies way back when I was at USD. While we all laughed it during the time, it was actually pretty correct. Back in 2007, USD got whipped on the road against UNO, West Texas and lost to Central Washington. Plus the road loss to McNeese, which is an FCS loss. The two wins came against Augie and Minnesota-Duluth. Not only that, but there was a pretty bad home loss to UND, a game USD should have won. In 2006, USD lost to a bad Minnesota State-Mankato team and lost to Central Arkansas on the road, not to mention a loss on the road to UND. So that's a 2-3 road record during the regular season with the wins against Western Washington and St. Cloud. USD did win a road playoff game before losing on the road to Grand Valley. USD beat UNO at home, but struggled at home against Central Washington. That was when Noah took over as starting QB late in the game. In 2005, USD lost at SCSU and Minnesota-Duluth on the road. They beat Crookston, Augustana and Colorado School of Mines ... some REAL heavy hitters back then.... That's 3-2 against some not too tough road teams. USD beat UND and UNO at home, but those were the only two significant home games. In 2004, USD went 3-2 on the road with losses to UNO and UND. The other road games were against Upper Iowa, Truman State and Minnesota State-Mankato, not good teams basically. 10-10 on the road during the D-II days. With the schedule that USD had on the road during that time under Ed, there is no reason why that road record should not be 15-5.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 22, 2011 16:22:01 GMT -6
I like Ed and voted to not make a change but you can't ignore this fact. Since the 2008 season (4 years). The Yotes have had the lead or been tied at the half 8 times and lost. During that same span. They Yotes have only won 1 game when they were tied or behind at the half. The Yote team appears to be front runners. We get out ahead early and play great when things are clicking. When other teams adjust and we lose the momentum we fail to adjust and the whole operation goes into fetal mode. ^^^^^ +1 That tells alot IMO, maybe moreso than just the simple fact that road games are being lost. Basically the tougher things get the further the Yotes cower. In the D2 days the road games won were basically games where USD had a huge talent advantage to play with. USD never won at UNO or UND which were the two biggest threats during the Meierkort era. The program does not learn from past successed or failures. When USD wins big games they for whatever reason never seem to build off of it. When the program gets questioned it seems like the program responds for a game or two but once things appear to be on a good path things always regress. It's like there is not a constant focus that lasts from seasons beginning to end, and I am not talking about the usual ups and downs of the typical program. USD beats Minnesota and has all the momentum in the world and than suddenly they just come crashing down thereafter. How can a team be so up for a game such as the Minnesota game and so disintereted in other games. That to me is a definate coaching issue that will not be fixed with just a change or two. It's a culture that needs years to change, not just a game or two. Ed is simply unwilling to demand accountability to the extent that it takes to be a consistant winner. I often wonder whether he puts the best players in the game that give the Yotes the best chance to win. The Ganious/Sims split in carries shows that Ed is more about loyalty than about which player gives the team the best chance to win. Don't get me wrong Ganious is a good back, a good person and a good student. I just thought Sims was the better player but Ed seemed hesitant to give Sims carries until way past the time that it was apparent Sims was the better back. It's decisions like those that cummulate to create a major issue in team success. Ed is not the only coach that does that but the quality of being loyal to a fault can really be a setback. That is a tough issue morally to talk about but those difficult decisions are faced all the time.
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Post by drdank on Nov 22, 2011 16:25:41 GMT -6
Ed just got fired
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 22, 2011 16:27:16 GMT -6
I actually didn't think it was the same person because I know him, but then again, I thought maybe he got a job back in Yankton. Actually CF#1 and I like each other ( I think ) but we are miles apart on this issue. It is way to easy in todays world to just fire someone and start anew. Oh, I still like you and I know it's tough to fire a cough and start anew. Look at McCarney again and how that hire went. But if the situation is done right, a coach with D-I experience can be brought in. Someone mentioned Joe Glenn, and right there is already one capable candidate. Drew Quandt wrote a column called DomeBabies way back when I was at USD. While we all laughed it during the time, it was actually pretty correct. Back in 2007, USD got whipped on the road against UNO, West Texas and lost to Central Washington. Plus the road loss to McNeese, which is an FCS loss. The two wins came against Augie and Minnesota-Duluth. Not only that, but there was a pretty bad home loss to UND, a game USD should have won. In 2006, USD lost to a bad Minnesota State-Mankato team and lost to Central Arkansas on the road, not to mention a loss on the road to UND. So that's a 2-3 road record during the regular season with the wins against Western Washington and St. Cloud. USD did win a road playoff game before losing on the road to Grand Valley. USD beat UNO at home, but struggled at home against Central Washington. That was when Noah took over as starting QB late in the game. In 2005, USD lost at SCSU and Minnesota-Duluth on the road. They beat Crookston, Augustana and Colorado School of Mines ... some REAL heavy hitters back then.... That's 3-2 against some not too tough road teams. USD beat UND and UNO at home, but those were the only two significant home games. In 2004, USD went 3-2 on the road with losses to UNO and UND. The other road games were against Upper Iowa, Truman State and Minnesota State-Mankato, not good teams basically. 10-10 on the road during the D-II days. With the schedule that USD had on the road during that time under Ed, there is no reason why that road record should not be 15-5. Awsome post and very true. You spelled it out with facts very well. Many of USD's road wins in D2 were almost slam dunks. The tougher it gets and the closer the talent gap becomes is when coaching is vital. It stands out like a sore thumb that coaching is a major problem at this point in time. David Sayler cannot afford to wait one more year to make the change. I said this last year and many people told me to wait one more year. How many one more years can we afford?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 22, 2011 16:29:58 GMT -6
You have just shot an adreneline rush that is starting to make me shake in my shoes. Gotta check on that one.
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Post by GoYotes on Nov 22, 2011 16:34:15 GMT -6
Any source for your info or just trying to start a rumor?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 22, 2011 16:43:05 GMT -6
This is definately not something to joke about. dr dank you better have some good inside info because I haven't seen anything on the blogs at the Argus or P&D that even talk about anything as such.
Logically if it's going to happen it's going to happen this week.
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Post by drdank on Nov 22, 2011 16:47:47 GMT -6
Rumor I heard from 2 seperate unprompted sources
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