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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 12, 2011 13:20:12 GMT -6
First off, you can't even spell the coach's name right. It's HOUK!!!!! This shows your credibility on this post. You have no idea about this team and I wonder if you have ever seen a volleyball match in your life.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 12, 2011 13:26:22 GMT -6
Honestly I don't care about Volleyball that much but I know one thing wins and losses and the team is losing. I would sure like the people that do care about volleyball to talk about volleyball. Maybe the people the actually watch the games can tell us what is really going on.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 12, 2011 13:40:44 GMT -6
We explained to you what's going on and you didn't listen. This is a very young roster that has two seniors on it. One of the seniors, Tahnee Reed, was recruited by Brian Lampa and she didn't show much promise. But through her hard work and Houk's coaching, she developed into a D-I player. Logato has been great for the team and Houk brought her in.
Houk was left absolutely no recruiting base what-so-ever when Lampa left. Houk had to develop that on a late start and has brought in people from all over the Midwest.
Heck, one of the first people Houk brought in, Bailey Reshel, transferred out. But where did she transfer to? Oh, only WISCONSIN! So one of the first players that he brought in is capable of playing at Wisconsin. Huh, that seems pretty legit to me.
The three players who lead the team in kills this year are two sophomores and a freshman. The setter is a sophomore. Plus they have a freshman 6-3 middle hitter right now and four freshman defensive specialists, one of which will be the libero next year probably.
This is an extremely young roster that Houk has playing pretty well right now. They jumped into the Summit League and competed. For a team this young, that is overachieving.
I have watched more volleyball than you can think of. Most of the volleyball I have watched has been USD volleyball.
You only care about what you think of. People are telling you what's going on and you are just flat out not listening.
This team will be better and will compete for the Summit League next year I feel. You talk about how the football team needs to win now because they will be young next year and inexperienced. That doesn't just apply to football.
This team reminds me a lot of UND when both USD and UND made the jump to D-I. UND could barely get a game to go four sets. USD is getting them at least five and showing a considerable amount of fight in every match. This team is further along than you know.
Listen.
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Post by bigOyote on Nov 12, 2011 21:06:34 GMT -6
And to you BigOYote. If a team losses all or most of their games and gives a good effort than that must be good enough in your eyes. Sports at the D1 level is not just about effort. Eventually it has to be about wins and losses. Something many Coyote fans have a very difficult time holding their teams accountable for. Houke may or may not be a good coach but I don't want to hear about how good of a coach he is until he starts proving it the win loss column. It's not like the Summit League is the Pac 10 of volleyball. I'm able to go to one game a year and this happens. Where to start? If you look at sport in a classic sense effort is the only gauge of success. One must ask "Is sport a diversion to entertain us or a learning tool for young people to address competition and adversity. If there is sociology major out there looking for a master thesis my I suggest comparing sport in society before the advent of television and after. may be the greatest generation was great because they were not worried about getting on ESPN or YouTube. It was a long boring drive back from Vermillion and there is nothing in that part of Iowa. Lots of time to think. I think #1 handled this last part of the argument very well. Only thing he left out is the B1G is the league for volleyball. You may be interested in the following link www.neprepzone.com/section/prepzone4010D1 girls state volleyball state championship last game of the day so hurry and start learning.
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Post by GoYotes on Nov 12, 2011 21:30:47 GMT -6
A good win tonight for the Yotes over the Bunnies. A tough end of the season, but always good to end with a W, especially over the Bunnies (Makes it a sweep for the season & combined with a win last year makes it 3 wins in a row over SDSU)
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Post by bigOyote on Nov 12, 2011 22:04:52 GMT -6
Thought I would go over to USDCoyotes.com and try not to be any sort of hypocrite. The following is from Coach Houk's bio
The 2011 campaign will be the fourth season for Matt Houk as the head volleyball coach at South Dakota. Houk has compiled a record of 50-40 during his first three seasons as the Coyote mentor.
Houk is already third in career wins at South Dakota with 50, and has the best winning percentage of any coach in school history (.556).
And you question what is going on in that program? Growth with youth and effort.
4 seasons 3rd winningest coach and highest winning percentage You may now sit down and be quiet.
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Post by Iceman on Nov 13, 2011 0:01:37 GMT -6
Congrats on the W against the rabbits! Nice post bigOyote!
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 13, 2011 11:42:41 GMT -6
Nice win against SDSU to end the season. That should help end things on a better note.
Big O Yote,
Hate to burst your bubble but effort in itself is simply not enough. What team that is playing is not giving a good effort. If the team finished 0 for the season and played with really good effort than that is not going to end up being good enough. Just simply the way it is. Results at some point have to happen. Of course good effort is going to be needed to succeed. Having a good effort is essential to success but success is not necessarily tied to good effort alone.
Anyone can appreciate a good effort but last I knew effort ribbons were not handed out at the end of a match or the end of a season.
At any profession that is done or at any job that is preformed results are expected and if not that job will no longer be available.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 13, 2011 14:42:50 GMT -6
I think showing that Houk is the best coach USD has ever had, especially with how horrible the program's history has been and having to play in the DakotaDome with no actual volleyball court, should show the job Houk has done.
He has a winning record. That is UNHEARD of at USD, plain and simple.
He has beaten SDSU three straight times. I think that is the first time in history that has happened.
He has taken a team that was competitive for two seasons in its history in the NCC to being competitive in the Division I Summit League.
Like we have been saying coyotecritic, maybe you should learn something about the program and volleyball in general before you open your mouth on this one.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 13, 2011 14:58:47 GMT -6
Please quote where I said that Houk is not a good coach??? Have I questioned whether he is a good coach, absolutely. Is that fair, absolutely. When we are in the mode of transitioning in a sense most everything should be questioned. People often times confuse the word "questioning" for being in absolute believe that a coach is "bad". Not the case. As fans we should be questioning most things. Questioning is not a bad thing, if I used the word "inquiring about" that seems to not come under as much scrutiny when is really just means the same thing.
What do I really need to learn about. Wins and losses tell most of the story. Afterall hopefully the goal of the program is to get wins, which as of late have not been coming.
When Houk wins the Summit League title I will definately call him a good coach but in the meantime there is nothing wrong with some speculation.
Lets keep one thing in mind. What USD should be measured against is what SDSU and NDSU did during their transition in various sports, not what these USD teams did in their D2 days because right now that doesn't really matter very much.
Houk should be and hopefully will be measured in comparison to what other Summit League teams are doing, not what past Coyote teams have done.
I think in general some of USD's programs have been suffering for so long that just being merely average these days seems really good.
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Post by bigOyote on Nov 13, 2011 21:56:28 GMT -6
My original comments regarding effort was to counter your inquiry directed at what is wrong with the volleyball program. If my statement that the effort of the program is not a sufficient yardstick for successful neither is your statement that win and losses are a sufficient yardstick.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 13, 2011 22:04:42 GMT -6
My original comments regarding effort was to counter your inquiry directed at what is wrong with the volleyball program. If my statement that the effort of the program is not a sufficient yardstick for successful neither is your statement that win and losses are a sufficient yardstick. So are you saying that wins and losses are not an accurate measurement of a program. Isn't the point of playing to win the match. Maybe the goal is something else, and if so I would like to know what that is. If wins and losses are not an accurate measurement of a program and that is the majority opinion than I am so far in the minority that it is not even funny. When a team starts out 5-2 in the Summit and ends the season 2-9 (or whatever it was) in my opinion since record means alot to me than that is why I am questioning things a bit right now. If winning is not very important to you (whoever that shall be) I can understand if you don't like what I have to say.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 14, 2011 0:55:20 GMT -6
Because in the old NCC days, it was wondered if the USD volleyball team had the effort back in the late 90s. That is a huge difference.
Once again, you are just oozing ignorance about the USD volleyball program.
You say we can't compare to the past programs because all you care about is wins and losses? Well this team is actually winning, whereas in the past they barely won and barely competed.
That is a huge jump to not competing in D-2 to competing in Division I, plain and simple.
Until you understand the volleyball program at USD and how much it has grown under Houk, then your opinion is absolutely mute in this sport.
Go to a match then get back to me.
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Post by jman1985 on Nov 14, 2011 1:20:04 GMT -6
When USD was in the midst of eight 5-set matches in a row, it got me thinking that even with a young team, it was something to build on. Maybe next season in similar situations, they'll come out on top....and instead of going 2-6 in that stretch, maybe USD goes 5-3. Which would mean a couple of nice Summit League wins.
Either way, this was the toughest schedule in program history (logic would dictate the difficulty level increases each year), and it'll only get tougher.
Speaking of the schedule, that Creighton Tournament USD competed in back in early September featured some high-quality teams, judging by last year's performances and this year's RPI rankings. Those are the kinds of teams that will help the program in the non-conference.
When you figure USD will graduate only one hitter and a libero/outside hitter, tells you there's a lot coming back. I'm curious to see the recruiting class for 2012...
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Post by bigOyote on Nov 14, 2011 22:00:32 GMT -6
My original comments regarding effort was to counter your inquiry directed at what is wrong with the volleyball program. If my statement that the effort of the program is not a sufficient yardstick for successful neither is your statement that win and losses are a sufficient yardstick. So are you saying that wins and losses are not an accurate measurement of a program. Isn't the point of playing to win the match. Maybe the goal is something else, and if so I would like to know what that is. If wins and losses are not an accurate measurement of a program and that is the majority opinion than I am so far in the minority that it is not even funny. When a team starts out 5-2 in the Summit and ends the season 2-9 (or whatever it was) in my opinion since record means alot to me than that is why I am questioning things a bit right now. If winning is not very important to you (whoever that shall be) I can understand if you don't like what I have to say. OMG I just figured it all out. The most important thing in a college sports program is not developing children into adults, it not challenging yourself to preform under adversity, it is not even pushing yourself to the brink or physical and mental exhaustion. The only goal in college sports is to be on ESPN and win all of your games. Is that enough to end this inane discussion?
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