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Post by Yote 53 on Oct 18, 2010 20:23:42 GMT -6
The USD job is not that attractive right now. Solve the conference problem and get USD into an autobid conference and the job looks a whole lot better. That said, it would be crazy to make a coaching change now, just nuts.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 18, 2010 21:17:03 GMT -6
Huh, that's the same thing Sid Hartman said about Tim Brewster getting canned. Interesting....
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Post by yotemeal on Oct 18, 2010 22:03:17 GMT -6
Record scratch!
Did we just bring a Brewster comparison into this discussion? Say what you want about Ed, but he's elevated this football program.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 18, 2010 22:23:51 GMT -6
He has elevated the program while in Division II, but can he continue to elevate it at Division I? There are too many inconsistencies right now, and that CANNOT happen in Division I football. Ask Bobby Bowden where having all the wins in the world gets you, or Joe Pa, who i am sure people will be calling for his head after this year, or Steve Spurrier...
And the Brewster thing was in reference to it being a bad time at the end of the year for a coaching change. That is an interesting question...and I think it revolves around how much USD can pay a new coach more than anything.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 18, 2010 22:59:47 GMT -6
I had to create this account just to say i 100% agree Coyote Fan!!! Very well said. theu, please stay around and share your opinions whatever they may be. All opinions should be welcomed and I would like to hear more of what you think. The more opinions good or bad means the more attention that USD is getting. That also means generally more interest, more attendance and also more money for USD.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 18, 2010 23:32:25 GMT -6
He has elevated the program while in Division II, but can he continue to elevate it at Division I? There are too many inconsistencies right now, and that CANNOT happen in Division I football. Ask Bobby Bowden where having all the wins in the world gets you, or Joe Pa, who i am sure people will be calling for his head after this year, or Steve Spurrier... And the Brewster thing was in reference to it being a bad time at the end of the year for a coaching change. That is an interesting question...and I think it revolves around how much USD can pay a new coach more than anything. CF#1...Bingo, that is right on the money. We do indeed have a D2 coach at the D1 level. Lets remember Ed came from a D3 school so he has gone up two levels in a very short time. Has his coaching ability and qualifications gone up 2 levels as well. That is for all you to decide but I know my opinion on that. There are actually some comparisons between Brewster and Meierkort. Both coaches are motivating, recruiting types (or at least Brewsters seems to be decent at recruiting but even that is in question) Both get destroyed on game days more often than not by the opposing sidelines coaching staff. Neither are strategically great coachs. Brewster would be considered very poor and Ed probably in the mediocre at best range. Some will say that anyone is crazy to even think about another coach. I say that is the recipe coming from the cookbook of the school of closed mindedness. College is supposed to teach open mindedness. For those that close off their options are almost never going to get ahead and tend to get stuck in their ways. It's the same way with the D2 vs D1 debate. Some said there is no way on this green earth that USD can be competitive in D1. How quickly that myth has already been dispelled. Many were saying there is no way that USD would be able to beat Minnesota. Just for a few moments take yourself back in time. Maybe about 5-7 years ago after NDSU and SDSU decided to go D1, USD looked like they were staying D2 and neither program had really done much to make inroads to D1. For good measure lets assume this was during the John Austin era. What if you were walking down the streets of Vermillion and met Mr. Forture teller and he granted you insite to one future occurance. Of course you'd think he was full of s**t and you'd laugh your ass off. But you decide to listen anyway. He tells you that USD will go to D1 in a a couple of short years. He would tell you that USD would go into a brand new 50,000 seat stadium and defeat Minnesota in a game where the Gophers would have absolutely no clue how to stop the Coyote offense. Think about all that for a moment. What would you have though of that back then. That is the point. Life is about openmindedness. Sometimes that means to just stay the same but it always means to keep your options open. So lets imagine Mr. old timer D2, good old boy USD Coyote Football fan. The one that longed for the days of 1986 (or maybe even 1972) and could only wish that things would magically return to those days. The one that believed in the good old boy system once a Coyote, always a Coyote don't ever consider an outsiders option on Coyote football because "we" always know whats best for Coyote football. That same person is the one that has his hands roped together and is being dragged behind the horse and buggy through the decision to open up the football program to a national search (meaning Ed), to move to D1, to be lucky enough to have Jim Abbott as the president and now to have the notion of moving the USD basketball team to a new arena and have the football team have a 15,000 seat stadium. USD as an institition was good enough to play for a friggin national championship and played against one of the best NDSU teams not only in school history but perhaps D2 history. That team could have probably been in the big 10. They were great, meaning that NDSU team. USD was ALMOST that good that year. That shows you right there, DO NOT EVER question the ability of USD to be great at something because they CAN be. They won a national title in basketball. Granted it was many many years ago but last I knew those people back then were not neandrothals in the 1950's. They were actual athletes that actually beat some pretty darn good competition. So how does that relate to USD football now-a-days. Don't sell yourself short and don't EVER allow your expectations and hopes diminish. Certainly don't ever say that there is no way that USD should EVER consider another option than what we currently have as our football coach. Coach Ed is a decent coach but there are also many question marks and those question marks have been in place for a few years now. So should USD settle on being average or should we at least open up our minds to all options. I always though college was the place to evolve as a person, to consider the sky the limit and to most definately be open minded. I am not asking for Ed to be walked to the guilliotine and for USD to have a new coach in place next week. My philosophy is always to consider the big picture and to never shut the door, lock it and throw away the key.
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Post by yotemeal on Oct 19, 2010 10:22:20 GMT -6
IMO, way too early to hit the panic button. We're not even out of transition. And I don't think I'm settling for anything.
I don't recall what NFL coach made this comment, but I believe it was made in regard to his team's offensive performance against an opposing defense. He said something to the effect of "Those guys are pretty good; they get paid, too."
We've certainly taken some lumps in the transition, but we've also witnessed progress (also keep in mind how bad USD football was in the recent history before Ed). Enough progress? IMO, certainly enough to delay any calls for a coaching change. Going back to a previous post, we are not, by any reasonable measure, a favorite in a game against UNI or an away game against NDSU. We just aren't. We've brought ourselves to a point that we have a fighting chance, but it's important to manage expectations. Certainly we should believe in our team and maintain high aspirations, but let's also keep our feet on the ground and remember where we've been, where we're at, and where we're going. I personally think we're sitting pretty good. There may very well be a time for this discussion; I just think it's a bit premature at this juncture.
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Post by yoteforever on Oct 19, 2010 10:57:41 GMT -6
Coyote Fan, I really have mixed emotions on your posts. Don't get me wrong, I love your enthusiasm and relentless request not to accept mediocre results. But you also have to be realistic. Don't confuse that with settling, please don't.
You say that playing with our athletes in the 3rd year of transition because the older ones were recruited as D-2 players is an excuse. Then you cite several examples. Well, that is college football. On any given Saturday.......as the old expression goes, anything can happen. We proved that with the Minnesota game.
What you have to look at is the balance of the schedule. Set aside Central Florida and NW Oklahoma. Those two don't count. The remaining schedule I would say that we could beat everyone, and everyone is capable of beating us. Fair to say?
The difference is we are in year 3 of transition, and the only other school we have played thus far (that counts) in the same boat is North Dakota. UND is a team that has had our number for years and is in the same year transition. We handily beat them. Now, if we beat them next year in GF, then I would say for sure we have passed them. The rest of the schools we play in FCS are all in the same boat as SDSU. They are through the transition and have played at a higher level for longer than we have.
NDSU: say what you want, but they beat us. They are better right now than we are. But it wasn't embarrassing.
Cal-Davis: say what you want, but we did get the pickle out there, and that was a W until the officials stepped in. You can argue that's gonna happen, but this was blatant.
UNI: say what you want, but we have closed the gap. They struggled with us, but they are slightly better than we are. Could we have wn it? Yeah, but not likely. I'm sorry but the pendelum doesn't swing that hard in a year.
SUU: say what you want, but this is a good team. I am only worried about elevation here. I think we get the W
UNC: this will be over at half. Coyotes romp
Cal-Poly: read above (remove elevation) but DITTO
Lamar: say what you want, but we beat them in Texas
I think we finish 7-4. Maybe 6-5 as the Southern Utah game to me is 50/50.
7-4 is damned good in year 3 transition. 6-5 isn't all that bad. Anything less than that, and I will be disappointed myself. The brutal part of the schedule is over.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 19, 2010 11:17:57 GMT -6
yote4ever,
I do disagree with three of the games on the list.
While I didn't think USD was going to win at NDSU, I did think the second half was completely embarrassing with how much USD was throughly out-coached in that game, plus with the outside linebackers, who were recruited for D-II btw. I was not happy with how that game turned out and how quickly the game went from a close game to a blow-out.
In the UC-Davis game, yes, there were calls that were blown, but that's not why USD lost the game. The offense was completely out-of-sync with play-calling and the passing game, allowing USD to only score 13 points when the defense gave up only 17 points on the road. This is squarely on the offensive performance, plain and simple.
The UNI game is the third one, after watching that game, it's VERY VERY likely USD could've won that game. Were the Coyotes the favorite? No, but by the end of that game, I was thinking of how USD blew it more than how UNI won it. Yes, that big of a swing doesn't happen, but UNI fans were saying how bad the young Panthers team has played on the road so far. USD should've won that game based on UNI played. Once again, only 14 points, and one of them was on a hail mary to basically end the game. A better offensive performance would've won that game.
I am not saying get rid of Ed right now, but the pressure is growing based on the three game this year and some of the losses that occurred last year, namely Northern Colorado.
If USD finishes 6-5, I will be okay with it. But anything worse than 6-5, and I think it will be a lost year again for USD. Yep, I put last year down as a difficult year.
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Post by capncat on Oct 19, 2010 13:29:51 GMT -6
Relax, guys. You've arrived and made a splash. Good things will come but it takes longer than most here have the patience for.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 19, 2010 14:43:48 GMT -6
I don't think it's over reacting to have a thorough analysis of where the program is at. Maybe that is something for the end of the season but some of the posters tend to check out once football season is over. Why not have that discussion now.
Back in 2007 I said that USD has major problems with the same types of things that I am seeing today. I said that people would use the transition as an excuse of some of the downfalls of the program. USD's mistakes aren't talent mistakes and IMO don't really have to do with the level of competition as much as it has to do with self inflicted mistakes regardless of level. You can't tell me that having a kicking game this bad is something that has anything to do with D1.
My point is that we have had 4 straight years at the least of a program that shows an inability to get better. It started before the transition so it's not as if the D1 excuse can be totally responsible. I think it's somewhat responsible but certainly there is WAY more to it than that.
USD has shown they have it in them to be great for a game or two a year. Why can't they carry that over for a whole season? Why do we have 2 or 3 serious head scratching moments almost every single year. Usually a program is alot more consistant. If they show the kind of greatness that USD shows during games they usually finish 9-2 or 10-1. USD could beat Minnesota on the road and still finish 5-6. They could have and probably should have springboarded that win to a 8-3 season.
S. Utah already has 2 convincing wins in 2 weeks. At UND and vs Cal Poly. That is impressive and the Yotes are running into a buzz saw next week. If USD wins that game it would be at worst the second best performance of the year.
When it comes to keeping things in perspective, lets assume we do keep Ed which has about a 90% chance of happening. I believe if USD loses to S. Utah and the conference goal is toileted USD should start playing for their first year of playoff eligibility. Dante is only going to be around for one more year and I have no problem with USD using a glance to the future to see what we have in Wilhelm. He would have 3 games to show us what he has. Even if he plays half the time over the last 3 games at least we start to get an indication of what we have. Sorry to say but Warren is not going to be part of a playoff eligible Coyote team.
I also think it's time to start giving most of the carries to Sims and/or #22 (sorry I cannot recall his name).
It makes total sense to use the S. Utah game as the scale tipping game. It adds a sense of of urgency back to the team. Be outright blount about if if you are Ed. Either we get it done or there are gonna be some chances to the players getting the PT. We win we play it out and try to win the Great West and finish with a great record. We lose I think we start looking to the future and be the best we can be for 2012 or is it 2013, whatever year it is that USD can make the post season.
If the past is any indication I don't see USD being a top program at the FCS level. I am going to have to see this team prove week in and week out that they are competitive and know how to win as well. I just don't see it. The bigger the moment and more the stress level rises the more USD tends to self destruct rather than prevail. I have seen it for years. Now that USD is going to be playing games against similar or more talented competition it's even more important to be disciplined and know how to win in crunch time.
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Post by usdfbalum on Oct 19, 2010 15:23:01 GMT -6
I think USD wins 3 of the next four. USD will beat Southern Utah convincingly. I think USD has their number for whatever reason.
UNC will be very tough - if you look at their scores they have played some very good teams tough. Lost by one TD to Eastern Washington - that is a solid team. I think USD wins - home field advantage should help and the Yotes will make a point to play better than they did last year on the road - that was one of last season's low points.
Cal Poly - Toughest game of the four. The triple option is always tough. I think this years USD defense may be a good match up against this type of offense. I expect USD to keep them under 24 pts - Can USD score more?
Lamar? Have no idea about their program other than looking at scores and box score details - they seem to be up and down but have a good turnout for their home games. Texas is such a solid FB state - 15000 fans could make for a good home field advantage. If USD has won at least two of the prior three before this game they roll - otherwise this could be a dangerous game for the Yotes.
Fully expect the Yotes to finish at least 6-5 or 7-4 . Strike the NW Okla St game and that is 5-5 or 6-4 against the toughest schedule the Yotes have ever faced. I will take it in year 3. Not out of the realm of possibility that the Yotes win out and go 7-3.
Just hope all the Yote fans keep filling the Dome and make some noise. We saw last Saturday that we can cause false starts with some noise. That was with tons of people sitting on their hands not making a sound. What will it be like when we get 9000 screaming Yote fans standing and making as much noise as possible? I see the DakotaDome being one of the loudest venues in all of FCS if things keep proceeding. Has the potential to be really special.
Keep showing up - wear your Yote gear around town - join Howling Pack - get your friends and co-workers to the game and tailgate.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 19, 2010 15:55:14 GMT -6
usdfbalum,
It's nice to think that USD will beat S. Utah convincingly but there is more evidence to support S. Utah winning. Just the fact that USD is struggling on offense makes it unlikely that the Yotes will win big simply because they probably won't score that much. Make no mistake though that a win at S. Utah is more important to USD than a home win against UNI. USD would keep their title hopes very much alive with a win this week. My heart wants to be with you on this one but my head say S. Utah wins the game by a couple of touchdowns.
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Post by usdfbalum on Oct 19, 2010 16:35:13 GMT -6
usdfbalum, It's nice to think that USD will beat S. Utah convincingly but there is more evidence to support S. Utah winning. Just the fact that USD is struggling on offense makes it unlikely that the Yotes will win big simply because they probably won't score that much. Make no mistake though that a win at S. Utah is more important to USD than a home win against UNI. USD would keep their title hopes very much alive with a win this week. My heart wants to be with you on this one but my head say S. Utah wins the game by a couple of touchdowns. I think this is more of a Texas v Nebraska type thing. Southern Utah is 3-0 against UND - they have the Sioux's number. UNO seemed to have USD's there for a while at the end of the D2 days. The only game I watched of SUU was their game against UND and I did not think they looked too special. I think it is more up to which USD team shows up than what SUU shows up. We will see - or hear, I guess.
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Post by yoteforever on Oct 19, 2010 16:35:56 GMT -6
usdfbalum, It's nice to think that USD will beat S. Utah convincingly but there is more evidence to support S. Utah winning. Just the fact that USD is struggling on offense makes it unlikely that the Yotes will win big simply because they probably won't score that much. Make no mistake though that a win at S. Utah is more important to USD than a home win against UNI. USD would keep their title hopes very much alive with a win this week. My heart wants to be with you on this one but my head say S. Utah wins the game by a couple of touchdowns. You are tiring. You drive down and watch the game, and then head back and fire up the computer and start analyzing the whole damned thing like it is written in a book somewhere witheverything in cronologial order. Holy crap man. If you lived in Pennsylvania, I bet the farm you would be burning Joe Paterno in efigy by now. Everything in the sports world in your mind is today. We should be 11-0. Hell we beat Minnesota, why on gods green earth wouldn't we beat Cal-Davis? Or any other school on our schedule. Holy $hit guys, you make it sound as if you just switch coaches with the snap of a finger, the very next time USD could possibly lose would be in 2026. If our QB wasn't 100% in throwing with ove 500 yards in the air, then bench the bastard. If our running backs can't gain at least 8 yards per carry, then bench the loser. Your suggestion to bench Dante is F'ING ABSURD. Dante has sat on the sidelines in waiting for his time. So screw him huh? Bring in Wilhelm, and lets get ready for 2012. Any game in between doesn't matter because all we are focused on is the 2012 playoffs? Why not just play all redshirt freshman, take our beating now, then have them "ready" for 2012? I hate to be blunt CF, but you have absolutely no clue what it is like to compete at this level. My bet is after bouncing your head off the turf a couple of times, you might realize we aren't the worst team in North America. I tell you what. Fire ED. hell yes, let's do that. Fire all of them. Then, put your ass on the line by being head of the search committee. the first time you lose, I am going to analyize your ass to death. I am sick of this board being used to build arguments to fire a coach that has put USD back on the map. Geez, thanks Ed, but F you. You aren't 11-0 get serious
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