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Post by pierreyote on Oct 19, 2010 17:01:45 GMT -6
usdfbalum, It's nice to think that USD will beat S. Utah convincingly but there is more evidence to support S. Utah winning. Just the fact that USD is struggling on offense makes it unlikely that the Yotes will win big simply because they probably won't score that much. Make no mistake though that a win at S. Utah is more important to USD than a home win against UNI. USD would keep their title hopes very much alive with a win this week. My heart wants to be with you on this one but my head say S. Utah wins the game by a couple of touchdowns. You are tiring. You drive down and watch the game, and then head back and fire up the computer and start analyzing the whole damned thing like it is written in a book somewhere witheverything in cronologial order. Holy crap man. If you lived in Pennsylvania, I bet the farm you would be burning Joe Paterno in efigy by now. Everything in the sports world in your mind is today. We should be 11-0. Hell we beat Minnesota, why on gods green earth wouldn't we beat Cal-Davis? Or any other school on our schedule. Holy $hit guys, you make it sound as if you just switch coaches with the snap of a finger, the very next time USD could possibly lose would be in 2026. If our QB wasn't 100% in throwing with ove 500 yards in the air, then bench the bastard. If our running backs can't gain at least 8 yards per carry, then bench the loser. Your suggestion to bench Dante is F'ING ABSURD. Dante has sat on the sidelines in waiting for his time. So screw him huh? Bring in Wilhelm, and lets get ready for 2012. Any game in between doesn't matter because all we are focused on is the 2012 playoffs? Why not just play all redshirt freshman, take our beating now, then have them "ready" for 2012? I hate to be blunt CF, but you have absolutely no clue what it is like to compete at this level. My bet is after bouncing your head off the turf a couple of times, you might realize we aren't the worst team in North America. I tell you what. Fire ED. hell yes, let's do that. Fire all of them. Then, put your ass on the line by being head of the search committee. the first time you lose, I am going to analyize your ass to death. I am sick of this board being used to build arguments to fire a coach that has put USD back on the map. Geez, thanks Ed, but F you. You aren't 11-0 get serious I am PierreYote and i support this message. Rep points your way
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 19, 2010 17:03:48 GMT -6
First off, I am not saying bench Dante, but if this issue with his accuracy continues, then yeah I rotate Wilhelm in for a possession or two, maybe to scare him like he is Alex Smith or something, because Dante DEFINITELY has the ability to be better than what he showed.
I am not looking for 300 yards every game, but I am looking for at least 50 percent completion percentage. That isn't hard to ask for at all IMO, and he hasn't been close to that the last two games.
Yes, a expect a team that beats Minnesota to win against either UC Davis or UNI after seeing how UNI played. USD has been way too bipolar in its play the last four years honestly. Is it bad enough that I want Ed gone, no, not yet. It may seem that way, but right now I just want to see improvement. There are some head scratching moments though.
At this level, everything is looked at. In terms of JoePa, yes I do think its time for him to go. I think the speed of the game is passing him by and that is seen in terms of his recruiting. I think he lucked out a couple years ago when Penn State came back, but you can see right now that the offense is pretty bad because him and his staff haven't been able to attract a good QB for the last 4-5 years, which has killed the team's chances at a Big 10 title. This year, that team is horrible offensively. I think it is time for JoePa to retire, even though I think he is one of the greatest football minds ever.
When you look at programs across the nation and see coaches that get canned and what is looked at, USD fans aren't exactly being crazy to expect more progress. Minnesota fired Glen Mason for the same reasons above. Yes, that turned out bad for them, but Glen Mason hasn't gotten an offer since it seems....Also, LSU is pissed off at Les Miles right now even though they are one of the "top" (lucky) teams in the SEC. Mark Richt is feeling a lot of pressure in Georgia. Mike Leach got canned for saying some stuff and not his performance.
I remember when McCarney got canned at Iowa State because even though he brought the team to its first bowl game in decades, the team started to take a step back because he could only get it to a certain point.
I don't feel Ed should be let go unless what has happened the last two weeks continues for the rest of the year. I would like to see the team start becoming less of the 3-4 bonehead games they have a year though. That is what i am referring too.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 19, 2010 17:06:44 GMT -6
No one ever mentioned firing Ed, just to brainstorm about all options. Is there anything wrong with at least discussion the options.
Lets look at Dante and see exactly what he has done so far.
at UCF 10-19 for 104 yards and 0 Td's
vs Minnesota 21-30 for 352 yards and 3 touchdowns
vs NW Okl State 13-19 for 156 yards and 4 touchdowns
at NDSU 19-33 for 157 yards and 0 touchdowns
vs UND 20-32 for 268 yards and 3 touchdowns
at UC Davis 7-26 for 89 yards and 0 touchdowns
vs UNI 13-27 for 189 yards and 2 touchdowns
Warren generally doesn't complete a high percentage of his passes and in losses he has numbers that no Coyote fan would ever accept from their starting quarterback. No one gets handed anything and the only playing time given should be earned.
So far Dante has had 4 miserable games, 1 very good game, 1 good game against a NAIA school and an above average game. It's not like Warren has a great history and is just hitting a slump. Dante should be getting better with every game and instead is regressing which is not a good sign. He is trending downward and to have 4 out of 7 games either be poor or very bad is not something that I consider worthy of avoiding critisism.
Hey lay off yoteforever I am just laying down the facts and brain storming out loud. I never said walk Ed to the chopping block and I made that very clear. I am simply putting out a well thought out opinion and basing it on facts. If I was unjustificably taking shots that is one thing but I think I have been more than reasonable with my explanations. It sounds like you have decided that Warren should start regardless of what he has done to date.
USD needs a quarterback that can get these receivers the ball. USD has probably never had the depth of talent at receiving positions as they have this year. Their receivers are much more talented than their back so having a quarterback that is getting them the ball is vital to this offense. The offense is the difference between 5-2 and 3-4.
Sounds like a banning may be in store for yoteforever. I always keep it clean and don't resort to name calling, I suggest you do the same.
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 19, 2010 17:08:12 GMT -6
Yoteforever - well said. I like the increased activity on the board, but get tired of the repeated negative tone displayed by a couple of posters. As I was typing this I see a certain poster has called for banning you from the board, which only reinforces my opinion of this individual.
I have stated this before and will do it again now. The best way any of us can help the Yotes is not by trying to be the coach or athletic director but by joining the Howling Pack and showing up on gameday with a carload, Suburban load or better yet a busload of friends.
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Post by capncat on Oct 19, 2010 17:59:12 GMT -6
Yoteforever - well said. I like the increased activity on the board, but get tired of the repeated negative tone displayed by a couple of posters. As I was typing this I see a certain poster has called for banning you from the board, which only reinforces my opinion of this individual. I have stated this before and will do it again now. The best way any of us can help the Yotes is not by trying to be the coach or athletic director but by joining the Howling Pack and showing up on gameday with a carload, Suburban load or better yet a busload of friends. Wisdom.
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Post by yotemeal on Oct 19, 2010 18:02:51 GMT -6
It's getting a little nasty in here, perhaps even a little Bisonville-ish. Can we at least agree that this is funny:
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 19, 2010 18:32:52 GMT -6
Yotemeal - I agree that is funny.
At least we are not arguing over people referring to Hobo Day and Hobo Week as Hobo Days.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 19, 2010 18:33:32 GMT -6
Coyote Fan,
Sometimes I think you say stuff to get someone's goat. Lay off on saying who should be banned or not, because I already read Yote4ever's post, and he made some very valid points. Did he go a bit over boards, yes, but so have you. Notice your karma, this supports my first statement.
Please don't suggest who should get banned on this board. I know where Yote4ever is coming from since he is a former player for USD and knows a bit more about the program then we do.
We are all frustrated about the last two weeks and Yote4ever didn't like it. He is entitled to his opinion just like your 5,000 word posts honestly.
Watch yourself.
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Post by usdfbalum on Oct 19, 2010 18:38:08 GMT -6
No one ever mentioned firing Ed, just to brainstorm about all options. Is there anything wrong with at least discussion the options. Lets look at Dante and see exactly what he has done so far. at UCF 10-19 for 104 yards and 0 Td's vs Minnesota 21-30 for 352 yards and 3 touchdowns vs NW Okl State 13-19 for 156 yards and 4 touchdowns at NDSU 19-33 for 157 yards and 0 touchdowns vs UND 20-32 for 268 yards and 3 touchdowns at UC Davis 7-26 for 89 yards and 0 touchdowns vs UNI 13-27 for 189 yards and 2 touchdowns Warren generally doesn't complete a high percentage of his passes and in losses he has numbers that no Coyote fan would ever accept from their starting quarterback. No one gets handed anything and the only playing time given should be earned. So far Dante has had 4 miserable games, 1 very good game, 1 good game against a NAIA school and an above average game. It's not like Warren has a great history and is just hitting a slump. Dante should be getting better with every game and instead is regressing which is not a good sign. He is trending downward and to have 4 out of 7 games either be poor or very bad is not something that I consider worthy of avoiding critisism. Hey lay off yoteforever I am just laying down the facts and brain storming out loud. I never said walk Ed to the chopping block and I made that very clear. I am simply putting out a well thought out opinion and basing it on facts. If I was unjustificably taking shots that is one thing but I think I have been more than reasonable with my explanations. It sounds like you have decided that Warren should start regardless of what he has done to date. USD needs a quarterback that can get these receivers the ball. USD has probably never had the depth of talent at receiving positions as they have this year. Their receivers are much more talented than their back so having a quarterback that is getting them the ball is vital to this offense. The offense is the difference between 5-2 and 3-4. Sounds like a banning may be in store for yoteforever. I always keep it clean and don't resort to name calling, I suggest you do the same. If yoteforever got banned for his post, I would imagine many yote fans would just stop posting on here and just go to one of the FCS sites and start posting there. At least that is what I would do.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 19, 2010 18:42:29 GMT -6
I agree USDfbalum. Coyote Fan's ending of the post was completely out of line. He doesn't run this board, and he takes as many shots as anyone on this board. He may think he doesn't, but this posts are direct shots basically.
Coyote Fan would be banned before Yote4ever if I was banning on opinions...
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 19, 2010 18:44:04 GMT -6
Ok those with the infinate wisdom. Give me an example of where I am being unreasonable. I will make a counter argument to any post that I make. It basically boils down to expectations. I no longer want to settle for .500 football and settle for a team that can't build on it's momentum to save it's life. Some of you will settle for .500 football I want to have higher aspirations. and please tell me where I said fire Ed. I find it absolutely amazing that people are chastizing someone (myself) for candidly discussing the football program and it's status.
I would think a football player would even have higher expectations than a regular fan. My opinion is that the closer one is to the program and the more friendships that are made along the way make it more and more difficult to be objective.
Lets look at it this way. Should Ed basically have a free reign in Vermillion? Should be be worshipped to the point where we should never expect better. I think we have gone through a few years in a row now without any real improvement to the program. I think there is nothing wrong with a little pressure from the fans and alumni. People do their best work under pressure. If Ed knew he were in serious danger of losing his job maybe he would take those self distructing tendencies of his teams and fix them once and for all.
Did I ever tell anyone to F off here. No I did not but others seem to not be able to keep from doing so themselves. I have done nothing wrong here other than to make reasonable opinions about the USD program. But go ahead everyone pile on Mr. Coyote Fan, pile on higher. Come out in support of everyone that is anti Coyote fan if it makes you feel any better. I also took critisism for wanting Austin fired. Well guess how much better shape the program is because the USD administration made the bold move. Alot. Like I said before keep an open mind. That is all I ask.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 19, 2010 18:47:58 GMT -6
I agree USDfbalum. Coyote Fan's ending of the post was completely out of line. He doesn't run this board, and he takes as many shots as anyone on this board. He may think he doesn't, but this posts are direct shots basically. Coyote Fan would be banned before Yote4ever if I was banning on opinions... No one should be banned for expressing options. But when it comes to the F-U part that is the stuff that I thought was kind of against the rules.
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Post by GoYotes on Oct 19, 2010 18:54:53 GMT -6
I will make a counter argument to any post that I make. or that anyone else makes. Cmon CF, lets all agree that yotefans post is funny and move on.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Oct 19, 2010 18:55:16 GMT -6
Actually Coyote Fan, that part of Yote4ever's post was in reference to what you were implying about what you want to happen to the program, but telling Ed that. Yote4ever didn't say that to you. So how about you check yourself, because your posts do infer to a change of leadership right now, both at QB and coach.
Stop patting yourself on the back. I remember bringing up some stuff on Ed and you COMPLETELY blasting me about with some stuff that I heard off-the-field that was completely unconfirmed. You said that stuff doesn't matter at all. You were one of them saying Ed can do no wrong in Vermillion. So how about you check yourself, again.
You need to stop thinking you are the end all, be all of this board or you will be the one getting the ban. I didn't create this board so you could keep inflating your ego. You are close to getting a timeout for your 5-year old "Mommy look at what he said and did" when is it basically what you said, just in a different tone.
You say you don't want to settle for a .500 program? Well you had no problems before with all of the recruits and with Ed, but you are turning on him quickly it seems. This is a better than .500 program. If the team completely flops at the end of the year, then I see how it isn't, but USD is still playing catch-up in the FCS with D-II players yet. You prolly want to fire Stigs and Farley right now.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Oct 19, 2010 19:04:25 GMT -6
Actually Coyote Fan, that part of Yote4ever's post was in reference to what you were implying about what you want to happen to the program, but telling Ed that. Yote4ever didn't say that to you. So how about you check yourself, because your posts do infer to a change of leadership right now, both at QB and coach. Stop patting yourself on the back. I remember bringing up some stuff on Ed and you COMPLETELY blasting me about with some stuff that I heard off-the-field that was completely unconfirmed. You said that stuff doesn't matter at all. You were one of them saying Ed can do no wrong in Vermillion. So how about you check yourself, again. You need to stop thinking you are the end all, be all of this board or you will be the one getting the ban. I didn't create this board so you could keep inflating your ego. You are close to getting a timeout for your 5-year old "Mommy look at what he said and did" when is it basically what you said, just in a different tone. You say you don't want to settle for a .500 program? Well you had no problems before with all of the recruits and with Ed, but you are turning on him quickly it seems. This is a better than .500 program. If the team completely flops at the end of the year, then I see how it isn't, but USD is still playing catch-up in the FCS with D-II players yet. You prolly want to fire Stigs and Farley right now. How am I turning on Ed, like I said I am speaking candidly on the football program. I guess if you want to ban based on strong options much of the time based on facts than you must be against the american way of letting everyone have an opinion. CF#1 when I was talking about Ed before I was only stating that I don't judge what Ed does off the field in his personal life and i really don't care what he says about the officiating if he has a case. I judge by the actions on the field. Look at the entire picture of Dante's 7 starts. Don't look at one and just single out one, that goes for good and bad. Just look at the numbers and tell me if there at least shouldn't be some discussion about letting Wilhelm get an opportunity to see what he can do. Is there anything wrong with that. It just seems like people are so against that and will defend Warren no matter what he does. USD has gone into an offensive funk that has not been seen in awhile. USD teams don't sputter on offense like that.
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