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Post by sdyotefan on Mar 21, 2017 13:14:35 GMT -6
Yeah but most of your fans are wrong most of the time and way too big on themselves. You guys were going to beat Notre Dame a while back in Frost and that didn't happen either.To have very unrealistic expectations I guess is alright and if you keep doing that year after year after year bunny fans could be right someday It would be more realistic to say we're going to work real hard and try to win a conference championship someday again!
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 21, 2017 15:57:09 GMT -6
Matt Zimmer is like the rest of the Jacks fans. He basically just said that if Miller comes back healthy with all the great new players coming in that the Jacks should be the favorite again next year. Homerism at it's best. Western Illinois returns everyone of importance and deserves to be the favorite as undisputed regular season and tourney champion.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 21, 2017 16:40:00 GMT -6
Whatever. If they want to be crowned the all-time preseason champions every year, who cares? I'd rather be picked last and earn first. Let them have a chip on their shoulder and dare anyone to knock it off. That worked just fine for WIU this year.
Preseason rankings and preseason all-conference teams are about as worthless as tits on a boar.
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Post by thumper76 on Mar 21, 2017 17:04:18 GMT -6
Yeah but most of your fans are wrong most of the time and way too big on themselves. You guys were going to beat Notre Dame a while back in Frost and that didn't happen either.To have very unrealistic expectations I guess is alright and if you keep doing that year after year after year bunny fans could be right someday It would be more realistic to say we're going to work real hard and try to win a conference championship someday again! Ok I'll bite, since you guys probably miss me. Let's play this game. I'll start with wbb and do a quick overview so I can go through why SDSU fans have "arrogant" expectations compared to usd fans. It's similar to why NDSU fans are how they are about their football team. For women's basketball, there is no reason to call people thinking a sweet 16 run was possible or even likely when you return all your starters from a team that was a shot away from making it was arrogant or unreasonable. Any other fan base in the same situation would have thought the same thing. The vast majority of that team was coming back with the added tournament experience. To have less of an aspiration would be silly. It has nothing to do with disrespecting the rest of the Summit League. As for continually being considered a favorite, let's look at some numbers shall we. Over the last ten years 50% of the time the regular season champ has been SDSU. The last three years they have been outside of first place by one game twice and two games once. They almost never miss the big dance and have a couple of wins there. So yeah, they by far have the strongest pedigree in the league and will annually be in the conversation of the favorite. The yotes are still building their pedigree, and generally in the conversation of best teams in the Summit, but need to win the tourney and win in the big dance. The main reason for the angst towards SDSU fans attitudes started with wbb because it's the first big sport the yotes started to be good in on a regular basis and have had the most success in. We consider our program better than yours, because in all measurable stats it is. We have more regular season titles, more SLT titles, and more wins in the big dance. Which irritates you guys to no end, cause you consider your program as equal or even better. Which you should, other wise you don't have a competitive bone in your body and I don't know why you bother being a fan. Realistically though SDSU has much more pedigree behind it. Don't try to smirk at another program for having expectations that generally have the stats to back it up. If anything I wonder why your expectations aren't similarly high. All our other main sports have had much much more success than yours have. Football and mbb aren't close right now. You had a good year this year, and seem primed to have a good year next year (possibly in both). You need to do it with regularity though to even have the same type of expectations as SDSU fans do. One good season in mbb and shouting "we've arrived" doesn't really do it. Especially after how long you have sucked. Just is what it is. SDSU fans don't have the same expectations or attitude as bison fans yet in football because they have a lot more accomplishments than we have. But our programs getting better every year is growing our fans expectations and pride growing every year with it, which is making the rivalry more and more contentious every year. Especially when we get knocked out of the playoffs by them continually. I totally get where you guys are coming from with hating us, it's the same reason a lot of SDSU fans hate NDSU more than the yotes, almost certainly in football and in basketball as well to an extent. The one team that has beaten us in the games that really matter (playoffs, mbb SLT) has been NDSU, and that really grinds on you after a while. Oh, and in talking to a buddy who is a bison fan I'm pretty sure the biggest part of the xDSU fans attitudes that bothers the UxDs is how they view the rivalry. Overall across all sports, SDSU fans want to win against the bison more than they don't want to lose because they are more proud of winning against NDSU than they are embarrassed by losing. But against usd, SDSU fans are more worried about not losing instead of winning, because losing to the yotes is just embarrassing. We don't view your athletics as being on our level yet, mostly because in the big three you aren't. Sure you're getting better, but you add being newer to DI (it's embarrassing to lose to a team just out of transition) as well as how bad you were in the recent past, well, it's embarrassing to lose to that.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 21, 2017 17:30:36 GMT -6
Why are the Yotes still building their pedigree? They have been good to very good every year since Lavin took over probably about 15 years ago and nearly won a national title in D2 and last year won a WNIT championship. I will be the first to admit that the home cooking had a large part in winning the WNIT but the Yotes did have to win in Minnesota to advance. How is it that the Coyotes are still building their pedigree but the Jacks are so established. You can only judge the Summit tourney so far and by so much just because of how big of an advantage it has been to the Jacks. It's the regular season that decides the truly best team in the conference. The Jacks have their fare share of those but none in the last 3 years. USD has 2 conference titles, one NCAA and one WNIT title in the last 3 years. It can be argued that the accomplishments of USD are better over the past 3 years. The Jacks have used the favorable crowd at the Summit tourney to their advantage which is something that all other teams except for maybe USD do not have to their advantage. I look at things from an objective stand point. The Jacks have had more opportunities at the big dance because of the built in advantage they have in getting there. If the Summit Tourney would be played in Indiana every year the Jacks would still have some tourney titles but that number would be far fewer than what they currently have. If every year the team that had the #1 seed in the tourney got to play in front of 6,000 fans of their own I think that #1 seed would come through almost every time. That is a big part of the reason that I was really happy to see Western Illinois win the tourney this year because in no way should they have had to come to South Dakota to get the auto bid to the tourney. I know this has been rehashed by me and other but it's a topic that deserves to be rehashed.
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Post by sdyotefan75 on Mar 21, 2017 17:54:13 GMT -6
Why are the Yotes still building their pedigree? They have been good to very good every year since Lavin took over probably about 15 years ago and nearly won a national title in D2 and last year won a WNIT championship. I will be the first to admit that the home cooking had a large part in winning the WNIT but the Yotes did have to win in Minnesota to advance. How is it that the Coyotes are still building their pedigree but the Jacks are so established. You can only judge the Summit tourney so far and by so much just because of how big of an advantage it has been to the Jacks. It's the regular season that decides the truly best team in the conference. The Jacks have their fare share of those but none in the last 3 years. USD has 2 conference titles, one NCAA and one WNIT title in the last 3 years. It can be argued that the accomplishments of USD are better over the past 3 years. The Jacks have used the favorable crowd at the Summit tourney to their advantage which is something that all other teams except for maybe USD do not have to their advantage. I look at things from an objective stand point. The Jacks have had more opportunities at the big dance because of the built in advantage they have in getting there. If the Summit Tourney would be played in Indiana every year the Jacks would still have some tourney titles but that number would be far fewer than what they currently have. If every year the team that had the #1 seed in the tourney got to play in front of 6,000 fans of their own I think that #1 seed would come through almost every time. That is a big part of the reason that I was really happy to see Western Illinois win the tourney this year because in no way should they have had to come to South Dakota to get the auto bid to the tourney. I know this has been rehashed by me and other but it's a topic that deserves to be rehashed. Why are we complaining about all the jack fans when we can do the same thing but we dont. The goal is the NCAA tourney and the jack women continue to get there. Sure, it doesnt mean they are the best team but theyve reached the goal. Lets get some fans to SF next year so we have an advantage.
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Post by yotefan on Mar 21, 2017 18:17:46 GMT -6
Yeah but most of your fans are wrong most of the time and way too big on themselves. You guys were going to beat Notre Dame a while back in Frost and that didn't happen either.To have very unrealistic expectations I guess is alright and if you keep doing that year after year after year bunny fans could be right someday It would be more realistic to say we're going to work real hard and try to win a conference championship someday again! Ok I'll bite, since you guys probably miss me. Let's play this game. I'll start with wbb and do a quick overview so I can go through why SDSU fans have "arrogant" expectations compared to usd fans. It's similar to why NDSU fans are how they are about their football team. For women's basketball, there is no reason to call people thinking a sweet 16 run was possible or even likely when you return all your starters from a team that was a shot away from making it was arrogant or unreasonable. Any other fan base in the same situation would have thought the same thing. The vast majority of that team was coming back with the added tournament experience. To have less of an aspiration would be silly. It has nothing to do with disrespecting the rest of the Summit League. As for continually being considered a favorite, let's look at some numbers shall we. Over the last ten years 50% of the time the regular season champ has been SDSU. The last three years they have been outside of first place by one game twice and two games once. They almost never miss the big dance and have a couple of wins there. So yeah, they by far have the strongest pedigree in the league and will annually be in the conversation of the favorite. The yotes are still building their pedigree, and generally in the conversation of best teams in the Summit, but need to win the tourney and win in the big dance. The main reason for the angst towards SDSU fans attitudes started with wbb because it's the first big sport the yotes started to be good in on a regular basis and have had the most success in. We consider our program better than yours, because in all measurable stats it is. We have more regular season titles, more SLT titles, and more wins in the big dance. Which irritates you guys to no end, cause you consider your program as equal or even better. Which you should, other wise you don't have a competitive bone in your body and I don't know why you bother being a fan. Realistically though SDSU has much more pedigree behind it. Don't try to smirk at another program for having expectations that generally have the stats to back it up. If anything I wonder why your expectations aren't similarly high. All our other main sports have had much much more success than yours have. Football and mbb aren't close right now. You had a good year this year, and seem primed to have a good year next year (possibly in both). You need to do it with regularity though to even have the same type of expectations as SDSU fans do. One good season in mbb and shouting "we've arrived" doesn't really do it. Especially after how long you have sucked. Just is what it is. SDSU fans don't have the same expectations or attitude as bison fans yet in football because they have a lot more accomplishments than we have. But our programs getting better every year is growing our fans expectations and pride growing every year with it, which is making the rivalry more and more contentious every year. Especially when we get knocked out of the playoffs by them continually. I totally get where you guys are coming from with hating us, it's the same reason a lot of SDSU fans hate NDSU more than the yotes, almost certainly in football and in basketball as well to an extent. The one team that has beaten us in the games that really matter (playoffs, mbb SLT) has been NDSU, and that really grinds on you after a while. Oh, and in talking to a buddy who is a bison fan I'm pretty sure the biggest part of the xDSU fans attitudes that bothers the UxDs is how they view the rivalry. Overall across all sports, SDSU fans want to win against the bison more than they don't want to lose because they are more proud of winning against NDSU than they are embarrassed by losing. But against usd, SDSU fans are more worried about not losing instead of winning, because losing to the yotes is just embarrassing. We don't view your athletics as being on our level yet, mostly because in the big three you aren't. Sure you're getting better, but you add being newer to DI (it's embarrassing to lose to a team just out of transition) as well as how bad you were in the recent past, well, it's embarrassing to lose to that. How exactly can one be "more worried about not losing instead of winning?" Bizarre. The fact that you took so much time to write your post completely nullifies the argument that at least one state fan cares more about beating NDSU than USD. And despite sdsu's recent win streak in football they only recently took the lead in the All Time series for the FIRST time ever in 2015. It is now 53-51-7. That has been the history of the rivalry and will continue to remain the case, not just in that 1/3 of the big 3, but in all of them going forward. Dr. Oien is ready see you now. =)
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Post by thumper76 on Mar 21, 2017 18:57:01 GMT -6
How exactly can one be "more worried about not losing instead of winning?" Bizarre. The fact that you took so much time to write your post completely nullifies the argument that at least one state fan cares more about beating NDSU than USD. And despite sdsu's recent win streak in football they only recently took the lead in the All Time series for the FIRST time ever in 2015. It is now 53-51-7. That has been the history of the rivalry and will continue to remain the case, not just in that 1/3 of the big 3, but in all of them going forward. Dr. Oien is ready see you now. =) You don't understand the difference because you don't have a rival you're better than. And the all time series in football? LOL. Yeah the only reason for that was the teams you had from 1900-1940's. You know what nobody give a rip about? Those games. Or what happened in DII for that matter. Reality is for most people under the age of 35 all they've seen is SDSU whoop the hell out of the varmints or them being at a higher level than them. And it's not a recent win streak. It's been going on since the turn of the century.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 21, 2017 19:17:45 GMT -6
How exactly can one be "more worried about not losing instead of winning?" Bizarre. The fact that you took so much time to write your post completely nullifies the argument that at least one state fan cares more about beating NDSU than USD. And despite sdsu's recent win streak in football they only recently took the lead in the All Time series for the FIRST time ever in 2015. It is now 53-51-7. That has been the history of the rivalry and will continue to remain the case, not just in that 1/3 of the big 3, but in all of them going forward. Dr. Oien is ready see you now. =) You don't understand the difference because you don't have a rival you're better than. And the all time series in football? LOL. Yeah the only reason for that was the teams you had from 1900-1940's. You know what nobody give a rip about? Those games. Or what happened in DII for that matter. Reality is for most people under the age of 35 all they've seen is SDSU whoop the hell out of the varmints or them being at a higher level than them. And it's not a recent win streak. It's been going on since the turn of the century. So you get to define the relevance of the time frame? How convenient! So fans' opinions who are older than 35 are not part of your reality? I guarantee that a large percentage of your boosters are over 35 and have a bit more perspective on the SDSU-USD series than you seem to have.
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Post by thumper76 on Mar 21, 2017 19:30:39 GMT -6
You don't understand the difference because you don't have a rival you're better than. And the all time series in football? LOL. Yeah the only reason for that was the teams you had from 1900-1940's. You know what nobody give a rip about? Those games. Or what happened in DII for that matter. Reality is for most people under the age of 35 all they've seen is SDSU whoop the hell out of the varmints or them being at a higher level than them. And it's not a recent win streak. It's been going on since the turn of the century. So you get to define the relevance of the time frame? How convenient! So fans' opinions who are older than 35 are not part of your reality? I guarantee that a large percentage of your boosters are over 35 and have a bit more perspective on the SDSU-USD series than you seem to have. Oh I'm sorry how were those teams in the roaring 20's?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 21, 2017 20:04:04 GMT -6
So I guess how it works is that the Jacks dominate the series in the 90's thru the end of the teens. I guess that means we are are 3 years away from the decades that the Coyotes dominate in which is the 20's thru 80's. I am looking forward to the Coyotes winning 50 of the next 70 games in the next 70 years even if I have to be an angel during the last couple of decades or so. Let the good times roll.
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Post by canislatrans on Mar 22, 2017 6:26:24 GMT -6
Yeah but most of your fans are wrong most of the time and way too big on themselves. You guys were going to beat Notre Dame a while back in Frost and that didn't happen either.To have very unrealistic expectations I guess is alright and if you keep doing that year after year after year bunny fans could be right someday It would be more realistic to say we're going to work real hard and try to win a conference championship someday again! Ok I'll bite, since you guys probably miss me. Let's play this game. I'll start with wbb and do a quick overview so I can go through why SDSU fans have "arrogant" expectations compared to usd fans. It's similar to why NDSU fans are how they are about their football team. For women's basketball, there is no reason to call people thinking a sweet 16 run was possible or even likely when you return all your starters from a team that was a shot away from making it was arrogant or unreasonable. Any other fan base in the same situation would have thought the same thing. The vast majority of that team was coming back with the added tournament experience. To have less of an aspiration would be silly. It has nothing to do with disrespecting the rest of the Summit League. As for continually being considered a favorite, let's look at some numbers shall we. Over the last ten years 50% of the time the regular season champ has been SDSU. The last three years they have been outside of first place by one game twice and two games once. They almost never miss the big dance and have a couple of wins there. So yeah, they by far have the strongest pedigree in the league and will annually be in the conversation of the favorite. The yotes are still building their pedigree, and generally in the conversation of best teams in the Summit, but need to win the tourney and win in the big dance. The main reason for the angst towards SDSU fans attitudes started with wbb because it's the first big sport the yotes started to be good in on a regular basis and have had the most success in. We consider our program better than yours, because in all measurable stats it is. We have more regular season titles, more SLT titles, and more wins in the big dance. Which irritates you guys to no end, cause you consider your program as equal or even better. Which you should, other wise you don't have a competitive bone in your body and I don't know why you bother being a fan. Realistically though SDSU has much more pedigree behind it. Don't try to smirk at another program for having expectations that generally have the stats to back it up. If anything I wonder why your expectations aren't similarly high. All our other main sports have had much much more success than yours have. Football and mbb aren't close right now. You had a good year this year, and seem primed to have a good year next year (possibly in both). You need to do it with regularity though to even have the same type of expectations as SDSU fans do. One good season in mbb and shouting "we've arrived" doesn't really do it. Especially after how long you have sucked. Just is what it is. SDSU fans don't have the same expectations or attitude as bison fans yet in football because they have a lot more accomplishments than we have. But our programs getting better every year is growing our fans expectations and pride growing every year with it, which is making the rivalry more and more contentious every year. Especially when we get knocked out of the playoffs by them continually. I totally get where you guys are coming from with hating us, it's the same reason a lot of SDSU fans hate NDSU more than the yotes, almost certainly in football and in basketball as well to an extent. The one team that has beaten us in the games that really matter (playoffs, mbb SLT) has been NDSU, and that really grinds on you after a while. Oh, and in talking to a buddy who is a bison fan I'm pretty sure the biggest part of the xDSU fans attitudes that bothers the UxDs is how they view the rivalry. Overall across all sports, SDSU fans want to win against the bison more than they don't want to lose because they are more proud of winning against NDSU than they are embarrassed by losing. But against usd, SDSU fans are more worried about not losing instead of winning, because losing to the yotes is just embarrassing. We don't view your athletics as being on our level yet, mostly because in the big three you aren't. Sure you're getting better, but you add being newer to DI (it's embarrassing to lose to a team just out of transition) as well as how bad you were in the recent past, well, it's embarrassing to lose to that. tldr Judging by the responses, thumper76 must have been showing off all that state college 'schoolin'
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Post by sdyotefan on Mar 22, 2017 7:21:53 GMT -6
I for one hope the bunny fans keep predicting really big things--facts then turn our real different!! Going from that preseason high to real life results is a big drop--they must really like roller coaster rides!!
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Post by yote14 on Mar 22, 2017 7:55:15 GMT -6
Oh boy Humper76. You are special. For a guy that could care less about USD you sure are over here a lot.
I would think someone with a ag school gen studies degree like yourself would have better things to do on the plethora of other internet blogs you are on trying to tell the rest of the United States how great and important the ag school is to this world and how stupid and shitty everyone else's schools are.
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Post by thumper76 on Mar 22, 2017 8:52:51 GMT -6
Ok I'll bite, since you guys probably miss me. Let's play this game. I'll start with wbb and do a quick overview so I can go through why SDSU fans have "arrogant" expectations compared to usd fans. It's similar to why NDSU fans are how they are about their football team. For women's basketball, there is no reason to call people thinking a sweet 16 run was possible or even likely when you return all your starters from a team that was a shot away from making it was arrogant or unreasonable. Any other fan base in the same situation would have thought the same thing. The vast majority of that team was coming back with the added tournament experience. To have less of an aspiration would be silly. It has nothing to do with disrespecting the rest of the Summit League. As for continually being considered a favorite, let's look at some numbers shall we. Over the last ten years 50% of the time the regular season champ has been SDSU. The last three years they have been outside of first place by one game twice and two games once. They almost never miss the big dance and have a couple of wins there. So yeah, they by far have the strongest pedigree in the league and will annually be in the conversation of the favorite. The yotes are still building their pedigree, and generally in the conversation of best teams in the Summit, but need to win the tourney and win in the big dance. The main reason for the angst towards SDSU fans attitudes started with wbb because it's the first big sport the yotes started to be good in on a regular basis and have had the most success in. We consider our program better than yours, because in all measurable stats it is. We have more regular season titles, more SLT titles, and more wins in the big dance. Which irritates you guys to no end, cause you consider your program as equal or even better. Which you should, other wise you don't have a competitive bone in your body and I don't know why you bother being a fan. Realistically though SDSU has much more pedigree behind it. Don't try to smirk at another program for having expectations that generally have the stats to back it up. If anything I wonder why your expectations aren't similarly high. All our other main sports have had much much more success than yours have. Football and mbb aren't close right now. You had a good year this year, and seem primed to have a good year next year (possibly in both). You need to do it with regularity though to even have the same type of expectations as SDSU fans do. One good season in mbb and shouting "we've arrived" doesn't really do it. Especially after how long you have sucked. Just is what it is. SDSU fans don't have the same expectations or attitude as bison fans yet in football because they have a lot more accomplishments than we have. But our programs getting better every year is growing our fans expectations and pride growing every year with it, which is making the rivalry more and more contentious every year. Especially when we get knocked out of the playoffs by them continually. I totally get where you guys are coming from with hating us, it's the same reason a lot of SDSU fans hate NDSU more than the yotes, almost certainly in football and in basketball as well to an extent. The one team that has beaten us in the games that really matter (playoffs, mbb SLT) has been NDSU, and that really grinds on you after a while. Oh, and in talking to a buddy who is a bison fan I'm pretty sure the biggest part of the xDSU fans attitudes that bothers the UxDs is how they view the rivalry. Overall across all sports, SDSU fans want to win against the bison more than they don't want to lose because they are more proud of winning against NDSU than they are embarrassed by losing. But against usd, SDSU fans are more worried about not losing instead of winning, because losing to the yotes is just embarrassing. We don't view your athletics as being on our level yet, mostly because in the big three you aren't. Sure you're getting better, but you add being newer to DI (it's embarrassing to lose to a team just out of transition) as well as how bad you were in the recent past, well, it's embarrassing to lose to that. tldr Judging by the responses, thumper76 must have been showing off all that state college 'schoolin' Oh boy Humper76. You are special. For a guy that could care less about USD you sure are over here a lot. I would think someone with a ag school gen studies degree like yourself would have better things to do on the plethora of other internet blogs you are on trying to tell the rest of the United States how great and important the ag school is to this world and how stupid and shitty everyone else's schools are. Ouch, you guys cut me as deep as a yote FCS playoff run. How will I recover?
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