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Post by usdtator on Mar 22, 2017 8:56:36 GMT -6
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 22, 2017 9:14:28 GMT -6
So you get to define the relevance of the time frame? How convenient! So fans' opinions who are older than 35 are not part of your reality? I guarantee that a large percentage of your boosters are over 35 and have a bit more perspective on the SDSU-USD series than you seem to have. Oh I'm sorry how were those teams in the roaring 20's? I can't believe I am bothering to respond to you on this, but the even series in football is not just because of USD's early success. Both teams have had periods of dominance and periods of parity. Since you like cherry-picking, here's a fun fact: In the two decades of the 1970's and 1980's USD led the football series with the Jacks 18-8-1. This includes a span from '82-'88 where we were 8-1. I'd call that domination. In men's BB the decade of the 1990's was pretty good for the Yotes. 15-6 with an early-'90s streak of 8-0. Or is the '90s "ancient history" for you? I'll give you the Jack's WBB success didn't start with AJ, if you will admit that our WBB program has been good to great for much longer than Williams' tenure. Hard to really classify them as "so bad for so long", as you have said. Throw out WBB and I'll admit that we have had a Summit-League losing streak to the Jacks, but really, that's a pretty short span of time. We didn't even play each other for, like, 9 years. I'ts not like you have dominated the Yotes on the field, either. The last two football games were won by the Jacks with 4rth quarter comebacks. Don't let the facts get in the way of your superiority narrative, though. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota%E2%80%93South_Dakota_State_football_rivalrywww.aberdeennews.com/college-men-s-basketball-usd-sdsu-rivalry-statistics/article_cbb7e4e8-7802-5ab8-8b68-5480549e9840.html
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Post by jacksfan29 on Mar 22, 2017 12:09:22 GMT -6
Yeah but most of your fans are wrong most of the time and way too big on themselves. You guys were going to beat Notre Dame a while back in Frost and that didn't happen either.To have very unrealistic expectations I guess is alright and if you keep doing that year after year after year bunny fans could be right someday It would be more realistic to say we're going to work real hard and try to win a conference championship someday again! Find me one person who said SDSU would beat ND at Frost? That said, has ND visited Vermillion yet? How about De Paul? Penn State? I can go on but it just gets silly after a while. Our Women's program is a top 50 program every year. Has USD finished top 50 more then once? We are known nationally. Are USD? No one remembers the WNIT outside of South Dakota. It just is that way. What they remember is SDSU beating Miami and almost taking down Stanford. They remember SDSU pummeling TCU and falling short, by 2 to a Brittney Griner led Baylor. They have seen SDSU in the top 25 and receiving votes as one of the top (along with GB and MTSU) mid-major. Unrealistic expectations? I realize that CoyoteFan and a few others believe your Women's, and now Men's programs have had the same success since moving up as SDSU have had. That doesn't make it true. USD made the NCAA tourney once, SDSU have been their ELEVEN times. USD were thrilled with a 20 point loss in Iowa to a a traveling Stanford. SDSU's Women have won 2 first round games and come within a basket of moving on to the Sweet 16 twice. You did win the WNIT. And had to go to big time Minnesota for one of those games. We've played in Minnesota. In fact, I'm not sure we have ever lost in Minnesota. A sore spot for the Gophers. That's why they won't play us anymore. Our Men have competed well in the NCAA tourney, but the loss to Michigan and less so Gonzaga were both the low points of our 4 trips. I know, we would have never made either tourney without our home court advantage. Isn't USD closer to Sioux Falls then SDSU? How about the three trips the Bison have made? How was that even possible? You may not like it, CoyoteFan definitely does not like it but SDSU will be very good next year in both Women's and Men's (and football). SDSU's Women will be much better next season. You can hear it when AJ talks about it. He knows what he has coming back, and coming in. SDSU will be the favorite (sorry CF) and will fight WIU for the top spot. SDSU's men will fight with USD for the top spot. Yep, I'm giving USD credit. I think your men will be the favorite next year. SDSU will be #2. And if USD's men are able to beat us for the tourney title we won't complain about refs, or crowds. We are a more mature fan base who have experienced enough success to not spend time whining.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 22, 2017 16:32:02 GMT -6
I'm going to disagree and say no one knows about SDSU outside of South Dakota for their women's program. Those very few who pay attention to the mid-major WBB scene are going to know USD for their back-to-back SL titles.
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Post by elcoyote on Mar 22, 2017 16:33:28 GMT -6
Yeah but most of your fans are wrong most of the time and way too big on themselves. You guys were going to beat Notre Dame a while back in Frost and that didn't happen either.To have very unrealistic expectations I guess is alright and if you keep doing that year after year after year bunny fans could be right someday It would be more realistic to say we're going to work real hard and try to win a conference championship someday again! Find me one person who said SDSU would beat ND at Frost? That said, has ND visited Vermillion yet? How about De Paul? Penn State? I can go on but it just gets silly after a while. Our Women's program is a top 50 program every year. Has USD finished top 50 more then once? We are known nationally. Are USD? No one remembers the WNIT outside of South Dakota. It just is that way. What they remember is SDSU beating Miami and almost taking down Stanford. They remember SDSU pummeling TCU and falling short, by 2 to a Brittney Griner led Baylor. They have seen SDSU in the top 25 and receiving votes as one of the top (along with GB and MTSU) mid-major. Unrealistic expectations? I realize that CoyoteFan and a few others believe your Women's, and now Men's programs have had the same success since moving up as SDSU have had. That doesn't make it true. USD made the NCAA tourney once, SDSU have been their ELEVEN times. USD were thrilled with a 20 point loss in Iowa to a a traveling Stanford. SDSU's Women have won 2 first round games and come within a basket of moving on to the Sweet 16 twice. You did win the WNIT. And had to go to big time Minnesota for one of those games. We've played in Minnesota. In fact, I'm not sure we have ever lost in Minnesota. A sore spot for the Gophers. That's why they won't play us anymore. Our Men have competed well in the NCAA tourney, but the loss to Michigan and less so Gonzaga were both the low points of our 4 trips. I know, we would have never made either tourney without our home court advantage. Isn't USD closer to Sioux Falls then SDSU? How about the three trips the Bison have made? How was that even possible? You may not like it, CoyoteFan definitely does not like it but SDSU will be very good next year in both Women's and Men's (and football). SDSU's Women will be much better next season. You can hear it when AJ talks about it. He knows what he has coming back, and coming in. SDSU will be the favorite (sorry CF) and will fight WIU for the top spot. SDSU's men will fight with USD for the top spot. Yep, I'm giving USD credit. I think your men will be the favorite next year. SDSU will be #2. And if USD's men are able to beat us for the tourney title we won't complain about refs, or crowds. We are a more mature fan base who have experienced enough success to not spend time whining. This is my first post after lurking here for a few years, but I'll respond to you because I think you've contributed some good insight in some of your posts. First of all, if you think the Jack women are "known nationally" you're delusional. Maybe in the tight circle of women's hoops, but that is a very small contingent. Sadly, women's basketball just doesn't register much on the radar of the average sports fan nationally. South Dakota and the surrounding areas are somewhat of an outlier when it comes to following their women's teams so good for us and I imagine that's why we have the Summit Tourney and USD was able to host all the WNIT games last year. Nobody outside of the local area has any clue what you have or have not accomplished. I'll confess: I know nothing about D1 women's hoops outside of the Summit except that UConn destroys everyone they play . I spent my most professional career in the Black Hills and Nebraska and in all reality there is not even much of a following for USD or SDSU sports in the Hills in any sport outside of a few alums and some parents. Rarely is anything on the local news and there's minimal coverage in the RCJ unless it's something extraordinary like the WNIT team last year with two girls from Rapid starting for USD. Nebraska is even worse. Most of my friends there were hard core sports fans and again, unless they had a connection, couldn't keep straight what school was the Coyotes and which was the Jacks. When State played the Huskers a few years back I was getting all kinds of grief from Husker friends about how bad they were going to handle my alma mater and I'd be like, "No, that's not where I went. I went to USD". I remember one person even saying, "What's the difference". Mooney's picture in the SLC Tribune perfectly illustrates that. As for next year, or the year after or ten years down the road, who knows. All things are cyclical and you've been in a very good place the past few years and will probably remain for a few more. We're just entering a phase where our sports are on the rise and are going to be getting stronger and stronger. As a fan, it's fun to see. We'll be there in the near future which I'm sure will drive some of your people insane. As for the maturity of your fan base...give me a break. Every base has it's idiots, we have ours, but to me, in general, your base is the Donald Trump of sports fans. Some would probably take pride in that which illustrates my point perfectly.
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Post by thumper76 on Mar 22, 2017 16:55:53 GMT -6
Oh I'm sorry how were those teams in the roaring 20's? I can't believe I am bothering to respond to you on this, but the even series in football is not just because of USD's early success. Both teams have had periods of dominance and periods of parity. Since you like cherry-picking, here's a fun fact: In the two decades of the 1970's and 1980's USD led the football series with the Jacks 18-8-1. This includes a span from '82-'88 where we were 8-1. I'd call that domination. In men's BB the decade of the 1990's was pretty good for the Yotes. 15-6 with an early-'90s streak of 8-0. Or is the '90s "ancient history" for you? I'll give you the Jack's WBB success didn't start with AJ, if you will admit that our WBB program has been good to great for much longer than Williams' tenure. Hard to really classify them as "so bad for so long", as you have said. Throw out WBB and I'll admit that we have had a Summit-League losing streak to the Jacks, but really, that's a pretty short span of time. We didn't even play each other for, like, 9 years. I'ts not like you have dominated the Yotes on the field, either. The last two football games were won by the Jacks with 4rth quarter comebacks. Don't let the facts get in the way of your superiority narrative, though. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota%E2%80%93South_Dakota_State_football_rivalrywww.aberdeennews.com/college-men-s-basketball-usd-sdsu-rivalry-statistics/article_cbb7e4e8-7802-5ab8-8b68-5480549e9840.htmlWell how's this for my superiority narrative. SDSU has been to the playoffs more times since becoming eligible in FCS than USeD has in your entire football history. Since 1989 SDSU is 20-4 vs USeD. It took three games against each other when play was resumed for the yotes to put up as many points as SDSU did in the first game. Here's the really bad one. USeD has yet to post a conference record in the MVFC as good as SDSUs WORST season in the conference. How fun is that? On to men's basketball. Since you guys joined the Summit League, you have only had a better record than SDSUs worst season in that time frame once, this year. Never mind the amount of big dance appearances, that's just dominance. When your best season is the only one better than our worst one, the programs aren't close.
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Post by jackl on Mar 22, 2017 17:33:42 GMT -6
I'm going to disagree and say no one knows about SDSU outside of South Dakota for their women's program. Those very few who pay attention to the mid-major WBB scene are going to know USD for their back-to-back SL titles. If you're joking,that's not really funny. If you're serious then that is hilarious.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 22, 2017 17:34:51 GMT -6
I will give you the football argument because the comparison is embarrassing to be quite honest. What is interesting is that SDSU never does anything in their playoff opportunities. Have you even won 2 playoff games in the same year. I know 2 would be the max. SDSU is a very solid program but they are a wannabe when it comes to being a national championship contender. The perfect example is this year when you barely beat Villanova at home and lost significantly in the rematch in Fargo that really mattered. The Jacks win games that don't matter but then when the pressure is on the Jacks fold like a cheap tent. True contenders don't stub their toes again mediocre non conference opponents like the Jacks do almost every year. When the Bison beat you they couldn't even take care of James Madison. If you would have beaten the Bison James Madison would have crushed you on their home field. SDSU football is like the constant tease. Good enough to make the playoff but that is about as far as it gets.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 22, 2017 17:46:50 GMT -6
I'm going to disagree and say no one knows about SDSU outside of South Dakota for their women's program. Those very few who pay attention to the mid-major WBB scene are going to know USD for their back-to-back SL titles. If you're joking,that's not really funny. If you're serious then that is hilarious. What is hilarious is how delusional the Jackrabbit fan base is towards their own teams. I remember the very first year SDSU went D1. They were like the new guest at the party and you would think the fans would be somewhat humble but all I ever heard on the Rabbit board was how much the opposing teams arena sucked, how bad their announcers were or just whatever they decided to critisize. It's no wonder Jacks fans aren't looked upon too favorably all too often. The best team is determined by the Summit Regular Season regardless of how much you want to argue to the contrary. I am surprised with the greatness of all the recruits that enroll at State College that they couldn't survive the loss of one player. Didn't they have like 4 or 5 all conference first team players. So with 3 all conference starters remaining how is it that a team like that finishes in 3rd place. So what is it. You can't have it both ways. Either "State's" recruiting is over rated or the team severely under achieved this year. Ya can't have it both ways. Based on the recruits at State the worst record they should ever have in the Summit is 14-2 but the drought is now 3 years and counting for not winning the Summit and this year the home cooking at the tourney wasn't even enough to carry the over rated Jacks to another auto bid. Playing Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Iowa or whatever is nice but how well did those teams prepare the Jacks to win the Summit? I guess not very successfully.
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Post by thumper76 on Mar 22, 2017 17:47:44 GMT -6
I will give you the football argument because the comparison is embarrassing to be quite honest. What is interesting is that SDSU never does anything in their playoff opportunities. Have you even won 2 playoff games in the same year. I know 2 would be the max. SDSU is a very solid program but they are a wannabe when it comes to being a national championship contender. The perfect example is this year when you barely beat Villanova at home and lost significantly in the rematch in Fargo that really mattered. The Jacks win games that don't matter but then when the pressure is on the Jacks fold like a cheap tent. True contenders don't stub their toes again mediocre non conference opponents like the Jacks do almost every year. When the Bison beat you they couldn't even take care of James Madison. If you would have beaten the Bison James Madison would have crushed you on their home field. SDSU football is like the constant tease. Good enough to make the playoff but that is about as far as it gets. Oh I would much rather have our best season be 3 conference wins.
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Post by coyote70 on Mar 22, 2017 18:33:05 GMT -6
Poor Thumper, why do you post here? To sway opinion? I think not. You are running a "fool's errand" my friend. Statistics are what they are, we all know that. My point is that those who gloat or rant, whatever their team might be, only shortchange themselves and possibly the institutions they support.
There are some State supporters on this board who offer informative opinions and I think their comments are welcome. Your posts unfailingly inform us all as to how great your chosen school is. This translates to one word: boring.
All I know is that your continued posts here accomplish nothing, in my opinion other than to prove your arrogance and little else.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 22, 2017 20:02:21 GMT -6
I'm going to disagree and say no one knows about SDSU outside of South Dakota for their women's program. Those very few who pay attention to the mid-major WBB scene are going to know USD for their back-to-back SL titles. If you're joking,that's not really funny. If you're serious then that is hilarious. Another excellent addition. You really bring a lot to the table here.
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Post by kiyoat on Mar 22, 2017 20:31:08 GMT -6
. ....... As for the maturity of your fan base...give me a break. Every base has it's idiots, we have ours, but to me, in general, your base is the Donald Trump of sports fans. Some would probably take pride in that which illustrates my point perfectly. Strong take, El Coyote! Bringin' da heat! I concur on the hills.. I grew up in RC.
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Post by coyote70 on Mar 22, 2017 21:10:39 GMT -6
I second your comments elcoyote and kiyoat. I live in the trees in north central Custer County - pretty out here to be sure but lacking in sports coverage at the collegiate level. Even local teams are lucky to garner more than passing interest - unless it's the Rush (pro hockey) or Legion baseball (the Post 22 team is nearly always the state champ). A year ago the local Fox channel gave the Coyotes quite a bit of coverage as they pushed toward the WNIT title. Other than that, well, nothing other than a score from time-to-time.
This not meant to put down our local TV outlets - there just isn't much of fan base here primarily due to the distance factor.
We do get KELO via satellite but few folks watch it (including me) since their focus is nearly always on Sioux Falls and immediate area. Rapid City is a bit better because residents can get MIDCO.
Now, if we could just get the Yotes back for another nonconference BB game I'd be happy!
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Post by yotebewithyou on Mar 22, 2017 21:27:18 GMT -6
I second your comments elcoyote and kiyoat. I live in the trees in north central Custer County - pretty out here to be sure but lacking in sports coverage at the collegiate level. Even local teams are lucky to garner more than passing interest - unless it's the Rush (pro hockey) or Legion baseball (the Post 22 team is nearly always the state champ). A year ago the local Fox channel gave the Coyotes quite a bit of coverage as they pushed toward the WNIT title. Other than that, well, nothing other than a score from time-to-time. This not meant to put down our local TV outlets - there just isn't much of fan base here primarily due to the distance factor. We do get KELO via satellite but few folks watch it (including me) since their focus is nearly always on Sioux Falls and immediate area. Rapid City is a bit better because residents can get MIDCO. Now, if we could just get the Yotes back for another nonconference BB game I'd be happy! Do they still show game highlights out in Rapid? I was in Rapid in December and remember seeing highlights for the women's game that night. I think the school provides them to media. If not, I'd recommend emailing the broadcast department and telling them you wanna see highlights
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