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Post by HadleyCoyote on Nov 6, 2010 20:30:56 GMT -6
I love forums like this...spirited debates...rabid disagreements. Love it.
However, calling someone a worthless POS is a personal attack and is unaccceptable.
Admin? What do you say.
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Post by Iceman on Nov 6, 2010 22:37:20 GMT -6
I don't really know what to say about this game either. It is disappointing to see what happened in the 2nd half.
I will also say that I agree with those of you saying every game is a pressure situation. Coyote Fan, how can you say that not every game is a pressure situation? You must not have ever played organized sports if you don't think all games are pressure situations, especially when you get to the collegiate level. The Minnesota game was huge pressure. Playing a Big 10 school on TV. Then playing an NAIA school the week after that win trying to not have a letdown. There's pressure. Every game at the collegiate level has tons of pressure.
Coyote Fan, now your saying fire Ed again. So when people start saying things, are you going to come back again and say, I didn't say that?
You can get after me for saying this again, because I know you will, but I will again. We are a YOUNG team. How many college football teams can say they have 5 seniors on the team? That is an insane number. I don't know of many small high school teams that have only 5 seniors on them.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 6, 2010 22:53:07 GMT -6
Iceman,
I personally think it's probably the right time to go in a different direction and I have many reasons for thinking that. I am not going to deny saying that I think Ed should get the axe because right now that is what I think. I agree that all games have some kind of pressure on them. I guess what I am trying to say is that the Minnesota game was a game where the Yotes could play lose meaning no one expected them to win. If I said that it was absolutely no pressure than that is likely not the way I should have worded it but I think pressure comes alot from expectations and the expectations weren't as high during the Minnesota game.
I actually like the fact that you say we are a YOUNG team. You are definately correct with that. Right now though the offense is not real young because alot of guys have experience and they are going backwards. I agree with the Young team thing but on the other hand USD should be getting better being a young team. The end of the season should be better than the beginning but USD is going in the opposite direction.
Ed has plenty of coaching experience and it seems like he is either stubborn with his ways or just refuses to learn to better himself as a coach. This team is so strange, they look like they are world beaters one game or even one half and then the next half or the next game it's like they forget everything they ever did to succeed in the first place. They can be so self defeating at times. That is why i don't think this is a talent issue but an organizational, game strategy coaching issue. I said this 4 years ago and i don't want this to be forgotten. The last year of D2 was a serious regression for the football team. That was just after Ed played and lost to Grand Valley the year before. He said after that game that the Lakers set a good example of what it takes to be the elite of D2, or something to that effect. Ever since than USD has gone backwards or sideways much more than going forward. When USD played a tougher schedule the last year of D2 they didn't get better like they should have, they didn't learn from adversity like they should have but instead got burried in it. I said at that time that the D1 transition would be used as an excuse if the program did not succeed. I think the reasonable person would have to look back at that time and realise that USD was going backwards before the transition even started.
With all that said USD being very much a veteran team next year will need to take it up a notch but my question is will Ed hold them back from reaching their potential because perhaps he hasn't reached his. The coaching staff should come back in tact as well. Everything points to a great year next year. Maybe it will happen but something will need to come to a head. If USD doesn't finish at least 7-4 it will be a disappointment. Ed will not only have to be a better coach but also put out his best players that give USD the best chance to succeed. I don't think he does that currently.
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Post by Iceman on Nov 6, 2010 23:17:55 GMT -6
I agree with some of your points. I do know they have to get better. They are young and like you say, throughout the year they should grow and improve. They have taken a few steps sideways or backwards. I don't agree with what you said before about losing at home. I know you should be tougher at home, but sometimes teams are just better too.
Cal Poly had a good game plan. Run the option and run it to death. We really struggled to stop the FB dive. They ran that about all day. We finally started shutting it down towards the end of the game, but it was too late. They run the option well and their little RB was amazingly fast!
I agree next years team needs to have a winning record. I really think they will. We have a good group of kids that have alot of experience coming back.
I think we just need to worry about next week though instead of worrying about next year already.
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Post by GoYotes on Nov 7, 2010 7:08:15 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with high expectations, but I guess I would like to see our schedule for next year before I set a benchmark number of wins.
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Post by jimmyjack on Nov 7, 2010 7:12:45 GMT -6
I am excited about the future as well. A new path and a new coach to lead us there. I guess I don't see how starting over with a new coaching staff improves a program in the middle of transition. It's not like USD (with only 5 seniors!) hasn't been competitive and hasn't made strides this year. At least give your staff a chance to get into MVFC play and see what happens.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 7, 2010 11:57:06 GMT -6
I am excited about the future as well. A new path and a new coach to lead us there. I guess I don't see how starting over with a new coaching staff improves a program in the middle of transition. It's not like USD (with only 5 seniors!) hasn't been competitive and hasn't made strides this year. At least give your staff a chance to get into MVFC play and see what happens. I guess everyone can judge for themselves whether the program is making strides transition year 2 2-2 in the Great West, D1 wins at Cal Poly, vs S. Utah, vs SE LA year 3 1-3 in the Great West, D1 wins at Minnesota, vs UND, vs UNC (TBD Lamar, but honestly not a great win if it happens) At best you can consider this a break even year (I honestly consider it a step backwards) but year 3 transition is generally considered a break out year. Sure there are strides made, no one is disagreeing there but the steps backwards this year are just as plentifull if not moreso. The YOUNG excuse doesn't hold water to me. Look at the offense. The runningback has experience. (and yes I am calling it the runningback and not runningbacks because this is a one horse team and it's the wrong horse), the receivers are experienced. The quarterback wasn't experienced but he has regressed through the year. How does a inexperienced quarterback regress through the year. He should have started out slow and gotten better every week. Not the case. The team has followed suit. If you want to call them young, then isn't it prudent to expect improvement throughout the year. If you don't expect improvement than the player(s) probably are not D1 FCS worth players. So with the trends this year of a team getting more experience regressing than how much improvement should we really expect next year. This is my off the top of the head thinking on what should be done from this year to next. This may be a generalization and not necessarily apply to every individual player. Head coach: gone D-Coordinator: back O-Coordinator: gone (but if hc is gone I may be flexible) quarterback: gone (sorry but that is the case) Receivers: back, is there even a doubt runningback (not runningbacks): gone O-Line: mixed bag D-Line: mostly gone Linebackers: mixed bag secondary: mostly back kicker: sorry but gone, very inconsistant leg and we can do better ok a bit of sarcasm inserted here MVP's of game day experience winner: Coyote receivers 2nd place: Sound of USD 3rd place: big heads in student section 4th place: Morrell LVP's of game day experience winner: student section 2nd place: crowd excitement level 3rd place: runningback 4th place: head coach
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 7, 2010 17:09:24 GMT -6
The quarterback gone? Really? Because I think Wilhelm would've shown by now that he is ready to take the helm. He is going to have to make a lot of improvement to overtake Dante Warren right now. Dante definitely wasn't the reason USD lost. Yes, he has some work to do, but he made some pretty good throws to Powell and such. He also made some pretty good plays with his legs. If the play calling was better, USD would've had a lot better shot to win. The kicker gone? ?? What? He made five straight field goals before missing a long field goal attempt. That's not an easy kick at this level and it actually ended up having no affect on the game. Yes, he needs to get better on kick-offs, but the coaching staff needs to make it more clear what they want him to do. Half the time they are saying squib it and other half it seems they are saying kick long. The coverage unit was also not good at all. Seeing some of the big hits this year and then nothing this week, that wasn't good. The kicker wasn't the problem. The defensive line is as young as it gets! If you get rid of them, there is no defensive line because there have been true freshmen rotating in! USD would have to play 5 true freshmen if you get rid of the current D-linemen. In terms of linebackers, I thought it was incredible that Broders played with a torn ACL from what I know. The outside linebackers need a lot of work though. They left the secondary on the option out to dry way too much. I don't think Ganious should be gone. He is very valuable in the passing game and had a decent game, plus he has had some big blocks in pass protection. However, I think he is turning more into a third down type of back.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 7, 2010 17:50:23 GMT -6
In a way it might not matter whether Wilhelm has shown whether or not he is ready. Ed might stick with Warren no matter what. Just like Ganious, there can't be many people left that think he should be getting 90% of the carries.
I just find it hard to believe with the way this offense is struggling that nothing has really been done to adjust. People may cringe when talking about replacing Warren and/or Ganious but it's not like we have an offense that is rolling it up right now. Our biggest offense is Warren throw it up and Powell goes and gets it. Powell actually makes Warren look better than he is. Warren is an average quarterback at best. Now if we had a ground it out running team than Warren might make more sense. With the way the offense is constructed and with the talent being at the receiver postion USD could really use a classic drop back, accurate throwing good decision making QB. Maybe there is none on the roster, who knows but I just have a hard time watching this offense crumble and not allowing players a chance to see what they can do. Maybe Wilhelm isn't very good but he was highly touted out of high school and Ed raved about him during fall camp. That shows me Wilhelm at least has some promise by those two factors. He should be given a shot.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 7, 2010 19:13:32 GMT -6
I have no doubt that Wilhelm has promise, but he needs practice snaps after missing all of last year and part of his junior year with shoulder injuries. He needs to show he can get through a full season right now even if it's practicing basically. They didn't even know what his career looked like after last year. Plus Gorsuch was suppose to be the back-up but transferred. So Wilhelm is prolly too raw this year.
It's been a while on this board since I have heard anyone say Ganious is the clear cut guy, that's for sure.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 7, 2010 20:06:13 GMT -6
I have no doubt that Wilhelm has promise, but he needs practice snaps after missing all of last year and part of his junior year with shoulder injuries. He needs to show he can get through a full season right now even if it's practicing basically. They didn't even know what his career looked like after last year. Plus Gorsuch was suppose to be the back-up but transferred. So Wilhelm is prolly too raw this year. It's been a while on this board since I have heard anyone say Ganious is the clear cut guy, that's for sure. speaking of 90%, if that many people wanted Ganious benched but the man in charge was in the 10% than the majority would be out of luck.
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Post by yotemeal on Nov 7, 2010 21:44:52 GMT -6
I'd say the guy who monitors the players all week during practice and coaches professionally is the one in the best position to determine who should and shouldn't receive playing time. Just sayin.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 7, 2010 22:37:31 GMT -6
I'd say the guy who monitors the players all week during practice and coaches professionally is the one in the best position to determine who should and shouldn't receive playing time. Just sayin. And if the offense looked like a cohesive unit that was rolling on all cylinders there would be no sense to even have an argument about who should and should not be playing. Considering the offense can take alot of the responsbility for the Yotes in most of their losses I think critisism is warranted. With the way the team has been progressing lately, I think it's more than fair to be questioning things, especially the coaching staff. If everyone needed to be a football expert that had years of coaching experience rather than just to simply have an educated opinion than USD would still have the last coach that didn't have a desire to leave the program for one reason or the other. This comment is not directed at anyone in particular but if some people had their way they would sit with their hands folded in their lap and just accept everything that happened with the program. Everyone has a right to be heard. Personally I have sat at games for about 20 years and suffered through many hopeless seasons. I think as a fan that has stayed loyal that long deserves to have an opinion and deserves to one day get to the point of not accepting the status quo anymore. I am at that point personally.
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Post by yanktonyote on Nov 8, 2010 12:05:29 GMT -6
Today was a bad day for sure. I feel bad for our seniors they deserve better, all 5 of 'em. Five seniors man! I don't know about you but the kool-aid is in my belly. With the new conference and alot of young talent I am excited about the future. CF I think you are a miserable worthless P.O.S.. I concur
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 8, 2010 12:44:58 GMT -6
Watch it YanktonYote, notkiotees got a ban for that statement...
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