usdlaw
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Post by usdlaw on Nov 8, 2010 13:14:45 GMT -6
OMG some of you are actually arguing for Ed to get fired. Are you serious! We're competing with young athletes, we beat a Big Ten school, he's probably had the best overall record at USD since some guy won 40 games in the 1940s. Joking a little I know Joe Salem and Dave Tripplett had success. But Ed's success could be said to put him at that level of prior Yote coaches. Just saying.
That's about a smart as those Harrisburg fans who wanted to fire the coach (a USD guy) after the first game of the year. Now they are in the dome.
I realize in D1 and professional sports there are short strings attached to many jobs, but let's be serious. It's not like we're Notre Dame. Heck, in most of my lifetime USD and SDSU were both non-contenders in the NCC.
Ed has built success and rejuvinated the program. I went back and looked and we had 4 winning seasons (including two 6-5 seasons and two 8-3 seasons) from 1988 to 2003. Going .500 with our schedule is pretty good really.
Why don't we see if he can continue to have success with the D1 talent that he has recruited before you jump to a knee jerk reaction. In the words of ESPN C'MON MAN.
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Post by usdlaw on Nov 8, 2010 13:36:50 GMT -6
If you don't count 1898 to 1901, Ed has the highest winning percentage of any USD football coach. Also, what makes Joe Pa's 400 victories impressive - USD had 504 victories in 114 years of football before this year started. Now I realize Joe Pa is old, well really old. But still. What we need to be doing is trying to keep these bandwagon fans interested and get them to buy season tickets.
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Post by yanktonyote on Nov 8, 2010 14:20:55 GMT -6
Watch it YanktonYote, notkiotees got a ban for that statement... If someone got banned for a statement shouldn't you remove it.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 8, 2010 14:42:51 GMT -6
Thought I did actually when it was reported to me. But there was a message that was posted stating notkiotees got banned. Also, wouldn't the giant warning and someone saying right after about the post saying how they didn't like that, shouldn't that have been the red flag for you?
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 8, 2010 15:31:51 GMT -6
OMG some of you are actually arguing for Ed to get fired. Are you serious! We're competing with young athletes, we beat a Big Ten school, he's probably had the best overall record at USD since some guy won 40 games in the 1940s. Joking a little I know Joe Salem and Dave Tripplett had success. But Ed's success could be said to put him at that level of prior Yote coaches. Just saying. That's about a smart as those Harrisburg fans who wanted to fire the coach (a USD guy) after the first game of the year. Now they are in the dome. I realize in D1 and professional sports there are short strings attached to many jobs, but let's be serious. It's not like we're Notre Dame. Heck, in most of my lifetime USD and SDSU were both non-contenders in the NCC. Ed has built success and rejuvinated the program. I went back and looked and we had 4 winning seasons (including two 6-5 seasons and two 8-3 seasons) from 1988 to 2003. Going .500 with our schedule is pretty good really. Why don't we see if he can continue to have success with the D1 talent that he has recruited before you jump to a knee jerk reaction. In the words of ESPN C'MON MAN. This response isn't specifically for usdlaw but this kind of statement is exactly what bother me with many USD fans. The expectations are simply too low. We aren't Notre Dame, of course not but we are USD and to me that means we should be aiming high. Just because USD's history has been mediocre in football (especially for a flagship institution at the D2 level) doesn't mean we should repeat history and go back to being mediocre for the next 50 years. usdfbalum said something that I totally agree with. He said that the fans of a program are going to generally get what they as a fanbase are willing to accept. If a fans expectations come from seasons that were miserable they are generally going to be happy to be 6-5 or 5-6. Hasn't 6 years increased those expectations. Ed and this program have leveled off and it's been ongoing for 4 years and running. USD is actually 1-5 this year against their peer D1 FCS opponents. This is not a knee jerk reaction because USD as a program makes the same mistakes over and over again and does not do what it takes to make every aspect of the team come together resulting in wins. The Yotes simply have a knack to always find a way to lose a game rather than somehow finding away to win. We have a play not to lose coach that is likely coaching paranoid and not making the adjustments on offense that it takes to get things going.
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Post by usdlaw on Nov 8, 2010 16:32:34 GMT -6
By the way, I don't have low expectations. I think you have unrealistic expectations. Stating the obvious as far as previous records in the last 20 years is not low expectations. It just drives me nuts when people want to give him a huge raise after the Minnesota game to want to fire him a couple games later for a few losses. That type of bandwagon crap drives me nuts. For the transition we are going through we can't "expect" too much more. That is, of course, unless you are unrealistic. Of course I would like an undefeated season every year. I'd like a national championship every year starting in 2012. But that isn't going to happen. Recognizing reality is not having low expectations.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 8, 2010 16:55:37 GMT -6
By the way, I don't have low expectations. I think you have unrealistic expectations. Stating the obvious as far as previous records in the last 20 years is not low expectations. It just drives me nuts when people want to give him a huge raise after the Minnesota game to want to fire him a couple games later for a few losses. That type of bandwagon crap drives me nuts. For the transition we are going through we can't "expect" too much more. That is, of course, unless you are unrealistic. Of course I would like an undefeated season every year. I'd like a national championship every year starting in 2012. But that isn't going to happen. Recognizing reality is not having low expectations. If you think I am being unrealistic check the post I just made on transition year #3. If I am being unrealistic than I as a fan I should expect USD to be FAR inferior to the Dakota State schools. I refuse to do that, how about everyone else? This season to me is unacceptable mostly because of how it has played out. USD has regressed throughout the year when they should have progressed. Generally when teams do that one of the biggest reasons is coaching. What do you mean bandwagon. USD is 1-5 against fellow FCS opponents. To me that shows a bandwagon with a few loose parts. If you are ok with a win against Minnesota and then such an abrupt turnaround thefeafter you sir have no expectations. I demand accountability and the more I think about it the more I want USD to... FIRE ED I will not accept mediocracy.
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Post by usdlaw on Nov 8, 2010 17:02:36 GMT -6
By regressed you presume Minnesota was better than most of the teams on our schedule. I'm not sure that is the case. We'll have to spar another day coyotefan, I'm afraid we are on two different waive lengths. We'll have to agree to disagree.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 8, 2010 17:08:12 GMT -6
By regressed you presume Minnesota was better than most of the teams on our schedule. I'm not sure that is the case. We'll have to spar another day coyotefan, I'm afraid we are on two different waive lengths. We'll have to agree to disagree. Yes we do agree to disagree You think a 1-5 record against FCS opponents is acceptable and I don't. Well guess what you have a larger crowd sitting on your side of the fence. Maybe that is why USD went 15 years without even a hope of sniffing the D2 playoffs because USD fans sat their an accepted it, well maybe I did too which was a mistake. The fans that didn't accept it were somewhere other than the Dakotadome during those years. That is why we have such a disconnect with our younger 20 and 30 somethings. They gave up long ago.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 8, 2010 17:21:51 GMT -6
Everyone needs to go back to preseason and think about your expectation for the team. Last year after finishing strong what would you have thought back then that USD would be 1-5 against FCS programs through 6 games especially considering what the other Dakota schools have done. We are way behind the curve right now.
The majority want to see Ed stay on board, but don't kid yourself and say this was a good season. This was absolutely not a good season. The longer we stay in "one more year" mode the longer we get behind the curve.
Even if you are on the Ed bandwagon wouldn't you secretly as least want him to feel some heat this off season. I don't think he has coached like his job could be on the line. I think he needs to feel some pressure this off season.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 8, 2010 18:15:07 GMT -6
Actually Coyote Fan, this is about where I thought the Coyotes would be by the end of the season, struggling to reach .500. I brought up the fact that maybe the program wasn't making the strides it needed to before the season started and you completely ripped into me about it. Now you are on everyone's case about this. You have completely done a 180 as well, so maybe you should get off your high horse right now.
Am I happy with the season? No. Do I think it's time to can Ed? Well, that's not my decision. I can personally give him another year to see what these "young" players will do next year, but it would have to be a vast improvement on this year honestly.
Ed was Nielsen's hire, so it would be interesting to note what Sayler has to think of him right now and how the season has gone. He is coming from a state that is big on football with big expectations, even though Rice isn't exactly that great of a team despite two years in a row in a bowl game.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 8, 2010 21:23:02 GMT -6
Actually Coyote Fan, this is about where I thought the Coyotes would be by the end of the season, struggling to reach .500. I brought up the fact that maybe the program wasn't making the strides it needed to before the season started and you completely ripped into me about it. Now you are on everyone's case about this. You have completely done a 180 as well, so maybe you should get off your high horse right now. Am I happy with the season? No. Do I think it's time to can Ed? Well, that's not my decision. I can personally give him another year to see what these "young" players will do next year, but it would have to be a vast improvement on this year honestly. Ed was Nielsen's hire, so it would be interesting to note what Sayler has to think of him right now and how the season has gone. He is coming from a state that is big on football with big expectations, even though Rice isn't exactly that great of a team despite two years in a row in a bowl game. Please show me a link to the thread where I ripped you about it. I may have ripped you for bringing Ed's personal life into if but I doubt I ripped you for saying that USD has underachieved on the field. Ed's personal life means nothing to me as long as he is not committing crimes or doing things incomprehensible that are damaging the program and I don't think that is the case. I find it interesting that you didn't definately come out and say that Ed should definately get another year. I would predict that you actually wouldn't mind a change but I think for different reasons than I think. This is what I think. I believe there are more people than meets the eye that would be open to the idea of a change. They are ones that likely aren't going to say it on a board.
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Post by #1CoyoteFan (Admin) on Nov 8, 2010 21:42:56 GMT -6
Haha you say show a link when you know the other board was deleted. Very funny. I did also mention that the team sort of stalled last year and you ripped me for it and then you have done a 180. It's just a plain fact. You turn faster than a tide when a full moon comes out sometimes Coyote Fan.
And yes, with Sayler here, he knows when to make the move better than I do. I know you find it interesting, but to me, Sayler knows what is best for the program and I am willing to accept it if he says the Minny win buys him another year. I don't think Ed is the first on his list on things he wants to get done and he might want a full offseason to evaluate him and such. Gotta look at all factors Coyote Fan, not the short sighted glasses all the time....
It's just funny when others have brought it up before, you were willing to rip them, but now that it's the other way around you are so defensive. Just take it easy a bit man. That hate in you will get you nowhere.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 8, 2010 21:46:43 GMT -6
#1CF just a bit more,
I was absolutely going nuts with enthusiasm after the Minnesota game so have I done a 180 since then? I think that more than a fair statement because I have. When USD beat S. Utah, Cal Poly and than carried it over by beating Minnesota what Coyote fan wouldn't have expectations after that. Just because of the fact that USD had the kind of momentum that they did and didn't capitilize on it makes where the Yotes are at today even more discouraging not less. They proved they have the talent and they proved they have the upside but they have also proved that they can not sustain positive momentum and that is not a new characteristic. Another example was after the 2006 season where USD had a major step backwards the next year. That is a big part of my personal discouragement and a big part of the reason I think a change needs to be made.
By looking at thing further USD had the most success when they played a weaker schedule. I remember when people used to critisize the Yotes for playing a weak schedule and it was true. When they stepped it up and played a tough schedule in 2007 they struggled with it. That has been the same story since. USD when playing a tougher schedule doesn't improve from it and get better, they get burned out from it.
When looking at things going forward and not going backwards USD is not going to be on the same measuring scale then when Ed was revered as a head coach. USD was beating up on inferior opponents and only had 3 or 4 tough games a year in D2. Even in D1 USD built it's wins by playing inferior opponents. USD has never really gotten through a tougher schedule in good shape and has definately not done well against FCS competition which should be what USD is measured by. The Yotes are 0-4 so far against MVFC teams.
What it boils down to is that USD just doesn't pass the eye test when watching from the stands. It is definately a matter or perspective on this whole thing.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Nov 8, 2010 21:54:14 GMT -6
#1 CF I don't know where you are getting that I ripped people for being critical. I don't recall doing that but if there is something that you need clarification on I would be (and always will be going forward) willing to explain anything that I have written in the past. The only thing I recall ever being critical about another post being was when you were bashing Ed for things he supposedly did in his personal life which on multiple occassions I have said has no bearing on my opinion of him. I care about his job performance and his job performance only.
And you talk about my short sidedness. I think I have one of the best memories on the board of past things that have happened with the program. I have explained in detail why I think how I do and it's definately not short sighted. I am certainly not short on explanations. Sayler actually should be seeking advise on what has happened in the past with this regime. He has only been here for this season. He needs to thoroughly analyse what the entire last 6 years have produced. Where is he going to get an unbiased analysis to make an accurate determination. Hopefully the people close to him will give him an accurate picture so he can make the best decision.
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