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Post by sd4life on Mar 26, 2014 7:49:44 GMT -6
An NAIA school? Really? Absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 26, 2014 7:58:36 GMT -6
No. I don't think all options were exhausted.
This athletic dept is two steps forward, one step back. I kept hearing how we should expect more from USD, that we could land a coach like Craig Smith, that we now have a D1 mentality. Kudos, we got a great coach to come to USD. We then follow it up by signing a game with an NAIA school. This is such a D2 mentality, it's like we are schizophrenic.
Bottom line is this game is a waste of time for all involved. It will count for absolute ZERO in trying to become playoff eligible. There is no benefit to playing this game. Billy Penn wasn't competitive in 2009 when it was a 52-0 beating with most starters walking out for the 2nd half in street clothes. It's a waste of time for the Coyotes, it's a waste of time for Billy Penn, and it's a waste of time and money for USD fans to spend their time and money on. And let's just pray that no players get injured participating in this game. Is this game worth it if a single injury is sustained?
We deserve better than this crap game.
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 26, 2014 8:00:45 GMT -6
William Penn? This has to be a joke. They need to work to buy out this game right now. Shouldn't have even signed the contract or released the schedule until something else was found. Completely unacceptable. Go get paid for a bodybag game. This game wasn't competitive a couple of years ago when we were D2, how is it going to be remotely close now? How could they have possibly thought the fan base would be accepting of this game? If it wasn't for NDSU on the schedule I would skip getting season tickets. I may still consider dropping them. If you drop them I hope it's strictly in protest. The rest of the home slate is legit. NAU, UNI, NDSU, and Illinois State are very stiff competition, and we still have yet to be WIU (though that will change this year). An NAIA school was about the worst thing that could have been done with the open date though. I think I'd prefer watching our guys have a scrimmage over this. There's gotta be some team, somewhere in D-1 that will play us that day. Pay one of those SWAC teams that only schedules 10 games a year to come up here or something. The rest of the home and away schedule is legit. William Penn is so far off the radar compared to those other teams it's not even funny. Might as well have scheduled SF Washington. It's be better to give the players the weekend off. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 26, 2014 8:57:44 GMT -6
Show me the path to the FCS playoffs.
Date Opponent Location Last Played Meeting
Aug. 30 Oregon Eugene, Ore. -- First LOSS
Sept. 6 William Penn Vermillion, S.D. 2009 Second NON-COUNTER
Sept. 13 Montana Missoula, Mont. 2013 18th LOSS
Sept. 20 Northern Arizona Vermillion, S.D. 2013 Second WIN
Oct. 4 Southern Illinois* Carbondale, Ill. -- First LOSS
Oct. 11 UNI* Vermillion, S.D. 2013 45th WIN
Oct. 18 Missouri State* Springfield, Mo. 2013 Third WIN
Oct. 25 North Dakota State* Vermillion, S.D. 2013 79th LOSS
Nov. 1 Youngstown State* Youngstown, Ohio 2013 Third LOSS
Nov. 8 Western Illinois* Vermillion, S.D. 2013 Fifth WIN
Nov. 15 Illinois State* Vermillion, S.D. 2013 Fourth WIN
Nov. 22 South Dakota State* Brookings, S.D. 2013 108th WIN
I've got 6 wins right there. Yeah, there might be some wins that I'll change to losses and some losses that I change to wins as the season progresses. Bottom line is I think we get 6 D1 wins. See how important it is to NOT play a non-counter NAIA school? Scheduling WIlliam Penn is a bad idea for reasons I've already stated but it also puts us at serious disadvantage when it comes to making the playoffs.
If USD finishes with 7 wins (6 D1 and William Penn) I am going to put not making the playoffs squarely on the administration. This is an unforgiveable scheduling blunder.
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 26, 2014 9:28:40 GMT -6
Show me the path to the FCS playoffs. Date Opponent Location Last Played Meeting Aug. 30 Oregon Eugene, Ore. -- First LOSSSept. 6 William Penn Vermillion, S.D. 2009 Second NON-COUNTERSept. 13 Montana Missoula, Mont. 2013 18th LOSS Sept. 20 Northern Arizona Vermillion, S.D. 2013 Second WINOct. 4 Southern Illinois* Carbondale, Ill. -- First LOSSOct. 11 UNI* Vermillion, S.D. 2013 45th WINOct. 18 Missouri State* Springfield, Mo. 2013 Third WINOct. 25 North Dakota State* Vermillion, S.D. 2013 79th LOSSNov. 1 Youngstown State* Youngstown, Ohio 2013 Third LOSSNov. 8 Western Illinois* Vermillion, S.D. 2013 Fifth WINNov. 15 Illinois State* Vermillion, S.D. 2013 Fourth WINNov. 22 South Dakota State* Brookings, S.D. 2013 108th WINI've got 6 wins right there. Yeah, there might be some wins that I'll change to losses and some losses that I change to wins as the season progresses. Bottom line is I think we get 6 D1 wins. See how important it is to NOT play a non-counter NAIA school? Scheduling WIlliam Penn is a bad idea for reasons I've already stated but it also puts us at serious disadvantage when it comes to making the playoffs. If USD finishes with 7 wins (6 D1 and William Penn) I am going to put not making the playoffs squarely on the administration. This is an unforgiveable scheduling blunder. It is very hard to argue with any of these comments. I definitely believe that O/U this year needs to be set at 6 games - that is counting WP. Anything less is an unacceptable level of improvement. That being said, if we want to show significant improvement, we also need to win a game outside of the State of South Dakota. |
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Post by Yotes on Mar 26, 2014 12:35:00 GMT -6
Show me the path to the FCS playoffs. Date Opponent Location Last Played Meeting Aug. 30 Oregon Eugene, Ore. -- First LOSSSept. 6 William Penn Vermillion, S.D. 2009 Second NON-COUNTERSept. 13 Montana Missoula, Mont. 2013 18th LOSS Sept. 20 Northern Arizona Vermillion, S.D. 2013 Second WINOct. 4 Southern Illinois* Carbondale, Ill. -- First LOSSOct. 11 UNI* Vermillion, S.D. 2013 45th WINOct. 18 Missouri State* Springfield, Mo. 2013 Third WINOct. 25 North Dakota State* Vermillion, S.D. 2013 79th LOSSNov. 1 Youngstown State* Youngstown, Ohio 2013 Third LOSSNov. 8 Western Illinois* Vermillion, S.D. 2013 Fifth WINNov. 15 Illinois State* Vermillion, S.D. 2013 Fourth WINNov. 22 South Dakota State* Brookings, S.D. 2013 108th WINI've got 6 wins right there. Yeah, there might be some wins that I'll change to losses and some losses that I change to wins as the season progresses. Bottom line is I think we get 6 D1 wins. See how important it is to NOT play a non-counter NAIA school? Scheduling WIlliam Penn is a bad idea for reasons I've already stated but it also puts us at serious disadvantage when it comes to making the playoffs. If USD finishes with 7 wins (6 D1 and William Penn) I am going to put not making the playoffs squarely on the administration. This is an unforgiveable scheduling blunder. If USD finishes with 7 wins (6 D1 and William Penn) you can't put the lack of playoffs on the administration. 8 D1 wins in a 12 game season is the bar, not 7, but they've still made it damn near impossible for us. In order to be considered for the playoffs, we will need to go 9-3. I thought we were borderline before, when we would have gone to 8-4, but we have no shot now. |
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Post by usdlaw on Mar 26, 2014 18:50:07 GMT -6
Holy crap did you all see that ... The sky is falling... Or just apparently according to a couple. Am I excited about WP. No. But after getting smoked by Oregon 77-0 I will take any win.
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Post by usdlaw on Mar 26, 2014 18:50:28 GMT -6
And no that is not D2 mentality
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Post by usdlaw on Mar 26, 2014 18:55:48 GMT -6
Also if it is an absolute waste for us to play WP, then isn't it really a waste for Oregon to play us? Sure I hope for a good showing at Oregon but come on, we have to expect to beat WP as bad as Oregon will beat us.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Mar 26, 2014 19:32:10 GMT -6
I would rather have Craig Smith and William Penn rather than no William Penn and no Craig Smith. Herbster might have messed this one up by settling for William Penn but I will give him a pass on this one. He may have been preoccupied with the basketball program. I can definitely understand those that are upset and go ahead and be upset because it makes for a much more interesting message board. I am still not sure the football program is moving in the right direction. Maybe moving sideways more than anything.
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Post by Yotes on Mar 26, 2014 20:28:44 GMT -6
Also if it is an absolute waste for us to play WP, then isn't it really a waste for Oregon to play us? Sure I hope for a good showing at Oregon but come on, we have to expect to beat WP as bad as Oregon will beat us. Oregon playing us isn't a waste for them because their win against us counts towards postseason eligibility, plus their football games are probably wildly profitable. I just think our AD really dropped the ball on this one. We've known for a very long time that we had an open date this year, and we should have been able to find someone in D-1 to play. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 27, 2014 7:54:48 GMT -6
Oregon gets something out of their game with us, a D1 win towards bowl eligibility. We get nothing out of playing William Penn. The win won't even count towards playoff eligibility. It's like the game never happened. It is a D2 mentality. We settled for a warm body to come to the Dome. We have a great schedule with the exception of this outlier. We couldn't get Drake, Valpo, or any other team labeled as "D1" to come to the Dome? I know we would probably kill those teams too, that's not the point. The point is the playoffs. I counted we would need 7 wins, and, as 1...8 has pointed out, in a 12 game season we are going to need 8. Well we aren't beating Oregon, and WP doesn't count, so we've set this team up to have to win 8 out of 10 against a MVFC schedule & games against NAU and montana. That's a tall order. Schedule a weak D1 and now we only need 7 wins against that schedule, much more reasonable. This team has the potential to be a playoff team this year. They are a playoff caliber team that I don't think will have a chance because of the schedule they've been handed with the non-counter in the schedule. Sky falling? No. But everybody thinks it's lollipops and rainbows in Coyoteland and it really isn't. There are some great things going on but there are also some things that have been happening lately that really make you scratch your head. This scheduled game is one of them and something public that USD deserves to be called out on. |
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Post by Cousin Eddie on Mar 27, 2014 8:13:12 GMT -6
Oregon gets something out of their game with us, a D1 win towards bowl eligibility. We get nothing out of playing William Penn. The win won't even count towards playoff eligibility. It's like the game never happened. It is a D2 mentality. We settled for a warm body to come to the Dome. We have a great schedule with the exception of this outlier. We couldn't get Drake, Valpo, or any other team labeled as "D1" to come to the Dome? I know we would probably kill those teams too, that's not the point. The point is the playoffs. I counted we would need 7 wins, and, as 1...8 has pointed out, in a 12 game season we are going to need 8. Well we aren't beating Oregon, and WP doesn't count, so we've set this team up to have to win 8 out of 10 against a MVFC schedule & games against NAU and montana. That's a tall order. Schedule a weak D1 and now we only need 7 wins against that schedule, much more reasonable. This team has the potential to be a playoff team this year. They are a playoff caliber team that I don't think will have a chance because of the schedule they've been handed with the non-counter in the schedule. Sky falling? No. But everybody thinks it's lollipops and rainbows in Coyoteland and it really isn't. There are some great things going on but there are also some things that have been happening lately that really make you scratch your head. This scheduled game is one of them and something public that USD deserves to be called out on. Out of curiosity, what else is going on that is so objectionable? I feel like things are going quite well, but I am not in Verm to observe first hand. I am genuinely curious. |
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Post by Yote 53 on Mar 27, 2014 8:35:57 GMT -6
Don't really want to discuss it on an open forum.
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Post by yanktonyote on Mar 27, 2014 9:32:46 GMT -6
Yote 53 before you start throwing out names of possible opponents check their schedule. Drake plays Truman State on 10-6-14 and Valpo has St. Josephs. Although its not the ideal schedule, I'm pretty sure the administration would have exhausted all efforts to get a D1 counter. The most important games on our schedule imho are the Big Sky games. We need momentum going into conference schedule and having 2 weeks to prepare for Montana will help.
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