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Post by golfingyote on Sept 9, 2015 12:21:05 GMT -6
Kansas is undoubtedly a really, really bad football team, and I think this season will represent rock bottom. It's remarkable - perhaps unprecedented - for a power-conference FBS team to be down 20+ scholarship players. That's not on the current staff. Charlie Weis and Turner Gill were absolute disasters, and that program is being rebuilt from the ground up. That said, I'm not getting too caught up in whose FBS win is more impressive - we're dealing with degrees of bad. The upset formula typically involves a decent FCS program knocking off a down FBS program. There are exceptions along the way, but the FBS teams taking those losses generally face a long season. I think that's what's most intriguing about NDSU's scheduled tilt with Oregon. The Bison have captured a lot of low-hanging FBS fruit. They made an impressive step up against K-State. But Oregon, assuming they remain in current form, would represent a giant leap up the food chain. NDSU's win over KSU was very impressive, but they were fortunate to have KSU during the year they had their best team ever. Any other NDSU team to date probably doesn't win that game. If all things remain constant I don't see a close game for them against Oregon - but it's still a ways down the road. Well Eastern Washington did just hang 42 on them, with 21 of those points scored when the offense was led by a redshirt freshmen playing in his first game. If anyone at this level can do it, it would be NDSU. But who knows what the rosters will look like 5 years from now.
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Post by jackl on Sept 9, 2015 12:33:36 GMT -6
www.sbnation.com/2015/9/5/9266047/kansas-south-dakota-stateAny time you beat an FBS team its an accomplishment. But in this case it's really not that big of an accomplishment. I dont want to be that guy but the article above points out why. SDSU actually has more scholarship players(63) than Kansas does(62). SDSU was actually favored in a lot of the lines. It's a good win but not that impressive. I would even go out on a limb and say everyone in the Missouri Valley is a better team than Kansas. Kasnas is horrible even for Kansas standards. A common mistake when attempting to troll is going too far by making ridiculous claims that nobody believes. Just remember, trolling is an art. Keep at it, you'll get there.
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Post by jackl on Sept 9, 2015 12:34:44 GMT -6
Kansas won't win a game this season unless Iowa State gifts them one. Kansas is a really crappy team, for those of us that know about football, but for the general public the perception is that this was a big win. Perfect example, the neighbor lady was really impressed that SDSU beat a really good Jayhawk team. Kansas = Big 12 = quality team. I informed her that Kansas wasn't that good and will most likely not win a game this season (no reason to lie to her). She had a puzzled look on her face because Kansas is in the Big 12 and they have a nationally known basketball team so how can they be that bad. Perception is all that really matters anymore. Yeah, that Minnesota team that USD beat in 2010 would easily beat 2015 Kansas. The Gophers actually went on to win a few games that season and against some quality opponents. I hope you got the neighbor lady straightened out. lol
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Post by sdsportsfan2010 on Sept 9, 2015 14:11:06 GMT -6
Is that what you think about USD's FBS win against a bad Minnesota team to? That Minnesota team was a bad team yes. But they didnt have less scholarships than USD like Kansas did. USD was also not favored to beat them as SDSU was against Kansas. It was a big win for their program but not an upset as most point spreads predicted. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Minnesota_Golden_Gophers_football_team
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Post by yote14 on Sept 9, 2015 14:42:59 GMT -6
www.sbnation.com/2015/9/5/9266047/kansas-south-dakota-stateAny time you beat an FBS team its an accomplishment. But in this case it's really not that big of an accomplishment. I dont want to be that guy but the article above points out why. SDSU actually has more scholarship players(63) than Kansas does(62). SDSU was actually favored in a lot of the lines. It's a good win but not that impressive. I would even go out on a limb and say everyone in the Missouri Valley is a better team than Kansas. Kasnas is horrible even for Kansas standards. A common mistake when attempting to troll is going too far by making ridiculous claims that nobody believes. Just remember, trolling is an art. Keep at it, you'll get there. Not an unreasonable comment Jackl and I stand by it. Every single team in the MVFC has more scholarships than Kansas. Kansas is already a horrible football school with no tradition and so depleting them of scholarships to the point of having less than everyone in the MVFC makes their chances of winning a game slim to none. You do not have to believe this because I could not find the article to post on here but it stated Kansas only has a 22% chance of winning a game this season. It's still a win to be proud of because in 15 years no one will remember how horrible Kansas is right now. But some perspective is needed. SDSU was favored in a lot of lines which makes it not an upset anymore. Congrats on the win as its still a power 5 team.
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 9, 2015 15:06:03 GMT -6
It is not possible to troll against SDSU on this board. You need to remember where you are at.
Jacks fans just can't handle the facts that are being presented. Kansas is a horrible football team. Kansas actually has less scholarships that many FCS schools including USD and SDSU. Kansas, more than likely, will not win a game this season. Most of us are not impressed and actually expected this would happen, including the odds makers.
In the end though it counts as an FBS win, so congrats. Now, if you expect anything more than that you are in the wrong place. I suggest you head on over to the SDSU board for that.
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Post by jackl on Sept 9, 2015 15:14:39 GMT -6
It is not possible to troll against SDSU on this board. You need to remember where you are at. Jacks fans just can't handle the facts that are being presented. Kansas is a horrible football team. Kansas actually has less scholarships that many FCS schools including USD and SDSU. Kansas, more than likely, will not win a game this season. Most of us are not impressed and actually expected this would happen, including the odds makers. In the end though it counts as an FBS win, so congrats. Now, if you expect anything more than that you are in the wrong place. I suggest you head on over to the SDSU board for that. Have you ran in to very many Jack fans that have said they are a good team? While not surprising,some yote fans here are going out of their way to convince somebody how bad KS is. It appears you're trying to convince yourselves.Kansas is a bad FBS that is on our schedule and we beat them. Happy?
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 9, 2015 15:21:21 GMT -6
I don't need convincing, Kansas is bad. I was just wondering why you needed to come here and say people were trolling when they were just pointing out some facts about your opponent.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Sept 9, 2015 15:47:43 GMT -6
Minn. actually hung decently close with some good teams and beat #24 Iowa. My memory was telling me they were worse than that.
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Post by golfingyote on Sept 9, 2015 16:46:48 GMT -6
Minnesota was terrible that year, they became less terrible after they canned their coach after the NIU game. Furthermore, Kansas is terrible this year. They are both wins over an FBS team, it does not matter whose win was "better". Such an irrelevant argument all around. The gopher win was about the only highlight of that season as the Yotes went 4-7. I'd take the over for 4 wins for sdsu this year gang. On to the Aggies and a winnable game.
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Post by coyotecrazie5 on Sept 10, 2015 12:58:36 GMT -6
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Post by Yotes on Sept 10, 2015 21:31:31 GMT -6
Week 2 in the MVFC:
Western Illinois @ Illinois - 11AM Indiana State @ Purdue - 11AM Eastern Washington @ Northern Iowa - 1PM Chadron State @ Missouri State - 2PM Weber State @ NDSU - 2:30PM Robert Morris @ Youngstown State - 6PM Southern Utah @ SDSU - 6PM Southern Illinois @ SE Missouri State - 6PM Morgan State @ Illinois State - 6:30PM South Dakota @ UC Davis - 8PM
Not a lot of strong opponents on the slate this week, the odds I am seeing only list Western Illinois and Indiana State as underdogs. UNI should have their hands full with EWU, the USD game should be entertaining, and I am interested to see how Indiana State does against Purdue. I'm expecting to see 7-8 wins from the MVFC this week.
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Post by yotefan on Sept 12, 2015 12:07:08 GMT -6
Was reading the weekly MVFC notebook and I see whoever is in charge of putting this together forgot to include USD's 2010 win at Minnesota on page 2 where it denotes conference wins over FBS teams in the last 5 years. Also noticed that in the USD section we have hardly any information entered. As a long time reader of these weekly releases I can tell you there is ALWAYS something to write about concerning each team. Step it up Mike Kern, Patti V. and company, the MVFC can do a better job. Not impressed. Here is the link for your review: cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/mvc/8F9BC8FE-6236-4932-A556-354A0B9290EE/MVFC_9-7-2015.pdf
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Post by yotefan on Sept 12, 2015 12:09:50 GMT -6
PS - any way one of our admins could get the thread started by Pierreyote in 2011 removed as the top thread on this heading? It has remained at the top of the list despite being inactive for years now. My OCD diagnosis thanks you. =)
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Post by jackl on Sept 12, 2015 12:56:18 GMT -6
Was reading the weekly MVFC notebook and I see whoever is in charge of putting this together forgot to include USD's 2010 win at Minnesota on page 2 where it denotes conference wins over FBS teams in the last 5 years. Also noticed that in the USD section we have hardly any information entered. As a long time reader of these weekly releases I can tell you there is ALWAYS something to write about concerning each team. Step it up Mike Kern, Patti V. and company, the MVFC can do a better job. Not impressed. Here is the link for your review: cdn.streamlinetechnologies.com/mvc/8F9BC8FE-6236-4932-A556-354A0B9290EE/MVFC_9-7-2015.pdfPerhaps they didn't list the FBS win because USD wasn't a member of the MVFC in 2010.
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