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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 24, 2015 21:40:52 GMT -6
Yoteforever,
"If I point you out to these kids, they'll tear you apart limb by limb"
Am I really reading this.
So now you are throwing out threats. If that is the way to handle things as a grown adult you and I sir will never be on the same page and would likely never get along. I guess you and I were raised with different morals. I stick to discussion about Coyote athletics and you try to make this about anything but. Your words speak for themselves. Imagine what this society would be like if everyone held those views. I guess it's a good thing they do have law enforcement because it would appear that they should be keeping an eye on you a little more closely. I would not and will not ever take the discussion to the levels that you feel the need to take them to.
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 25, 2015 5:12:04 GMT -6
Yoteforever, "If I point you out to these kids, they'll tear you apart limb by limb" Am I really reading this. So now you are throwing out threats. If that is the way to handle things as a grown adult you and I sir will never be on the same page and would likely never get along. I guess you and I were raised with different morals. I stick to discussion about Coyote athletics and you try to make this about anything but. Your words speak for themselves. Imagine what this society would be like if everyone held those views. I guess it's a good thing they do have law enforcement because it would appear that they should be keeping an eye on you a little more closely. I would not and will not ever take the discussion to the levels that you feel the need to take them to. As always, you don't comprehend what you are reading. I didn't say I would tear you apart, I said if the players ever got ahold of you they would. And I stand by it. But because I was raised "right" you'll be happy to know I won't point you out to them. My point was if the players ever read what you wrote, they would want a piece of you....that's the way it is. And as always, you never rebut what I said. I have asked you for a solution to the problem, yet you never bring one. Your solution is to fire the coach. So now, let's say you get to make the call and you fore Glenn. You call him into your office and say..."Joe, you're fired. On June 30th, your contract is up. Finished. Done." Now what? You realize all coaches are under contract until June 30th, right? And you also realize this isn't a Power 5 school where cash isn't an issue, right? So now what? You go to President Abbott and say.." Jim, the hire I made four years ago was wrong. Uh, sorry. But I feel it's in the best interest of this University to go another direction." President Abbott (PA): "Interesting. When do you want to make the new hire?" CF AD: " Oh sir, just as soon as possible" PA: Himm, I assume you have raised the monies to pay out the salaries of the current staff till the middle of next year CFAD: Uh, well not really. I was hoping you had some kind of slush fund to do that. PA: You're laying this back on me? I didn't make the hire. You told me four years ago this had to be done. Now we are back in the same spot. Why? CFAD: Well, because I felt Coach Meierkort couldn't win the big games on the road, and I never did like a Wesley as OC. So I made the change. Sorry, I guess I underestimated the damage that was done in the firing of Meierkort. I never thought Glenn would retain the staff. But then again, with Ed's firing, USD was looked upon as toxic by other coaches. You see, we actually fired a successful coach, also popular with the boosters, and now others won't touch us. Hmmm, I'm not sure why. PA: You do realize that in order to pay for this, we are going to need to reach out to boosters once again, raise the money, and feed them the same line of crap we did just 4 years ago? Or, you can call on boosters, like ones on the fan board that say they support USD, and ask them for financial support. CFAD: Well ( with a light hearted laugh ) I think that could happen BUT we are going to have to win first before they jump on board. Believe this or not, ( again a light hearted chuckle) they really don't support us until we have a proven winner on the field. Amazing I know, but that's reality. So I don't think they are going to open their wallets, do you? PA: Well, I'm not sure. Let's see. They already donate now, buy season tickets, and have made contributions to the building of the arena. Yeah, I think there's a little more they can give. ( rolls eyes ). Plus they like Joe Glenn a lot. They say he's a good ambassador to the University. And this years team has started off a little better than we thought, and although we haven't played a conference game yet, our fans are so critical that they have written off this season already? CFAD: One guy I know has for sure. He's one of them that refuses to come to any games until they are at minimum playoff contenders, at most, conference champs. He thinks Glenn is inept, in fact, thinks the whole staff is inept. And doesn't feel like we have the players it takes to compete. In other words, we have recruited poorly. PA: Wow, don't ever let the players get to know that guy, they would kick his ass. Good God, we haven't even entered conference play yet, and he's already given up on this team? Because we didn't beat Kansas State? CFAD: Yep.
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Post by fightsd on Sept 25, 2015 7:06:54 GMT -6
Yoteforever, "If I point you out to these kids, they'll tear you apart limb by limb" Am I really reading this. So now you are throwing out threats. If that is the way to handle things as a grown adult you and I sir will never be on the same page and would likely never get along. I guess you and I were raised with different morals. I stick to discussion about Coyote athletics and you try to make this about anything but. Your words speak for themselves. Imagine what this society would be like if everyone held those views. I guess it's a good thing they do have law enforcement because it would appear that they should be keeping an eye on you a little more closely. I would not and will not ever take the discussion to the levels that you feel the need to take them to. As always, you don't comprehend what you are reading. I didn't say I would tear you apart, I said if the players ever got ahold of you they would. And I stand by it. But because I was raised "right" you'll be happy to know I won't point you out to them. My point was if the players ever read what you wrote, they would want a piece of you....that's the way it is. And as always, you never rebut what I said. I have asked you for a solution to the problem, yet you never bring one. Your solution is to fire the coach. So now, let's say you get to make the call and you fore Glenn. You call him into your office and say..."Joe, you're fired. On June 30th, your contract is up. Finished. Done." Now what? You realize all coaches are under contract until June 30th, right? And you also realize this isn't a Power 5 school where cash isn't an issue, right? So now what? You go to President Abbott and say.." Jim, the hire I made four years ago was wrong. Uh, sorry. But I feel it's in the best interest of this University to go another direction." President Abbott (PA): "Interesting. When do you want to make the new hire?" CF AD: " Oh sir, just as soon as possible" PA: Himm, I assume you have raised the monies to pay out the salaries of the current staff till the middle of next year CFAD: Uh, well not really. I was hoping you had some kind of slush fund to do that. PA: You're laying this back on me? I didn't make the hire. You told me four years ago this had to be done. Now we are back in the same spot. Why? CFAD: Well, because I felt Coach Meierkort couldn't win the big games on the road, and I never did like a Wesley as OC. So I made the change. Sorry, I guess I underestimated the damage that was done in the firing of Meierkort. I never thought Glenn would retain the staff. But then again, with Ed's firing, USD was looked upon as toxic by other coaches. You see, we actually fired a successful coach, also popular with the boosters, and now others won't touch us. Hmmm, I'm not sure why. PA: You do realize that in order to pay for this, we are going to need to reach out to boosters once again, raise the money, and feed them the same line of crap we did just 4 years ago? Or, you can call on boosters, like ones on the fan board that say they support USD, and ask them for financial support. CFAD: Well ( with a light hearted laugh ) I think that could happen BUT we are going to have to win first before they jump on board. Believe this or not, ( again a light hearted chuckle) they really don't support us until we have a proven winner on the field. Amazing I know, but that's reality. So I don't think they are going to open their wallets, do you? PA: Well, I'm not sure. Let's see. They already donate now, buy season tickets, and have made contributions to the building of the arena. Yeah, I think there's a little more they can give. ( rolls eyes ). Plus they like Joe Glenn a lot. They say he's a good ambassador to the University. And this years team has started off a little better than we thought, and although we haven't played a conference game yet, our fans are so critical that they have written off this season already? CFAD: One guy I know has for sure. He's one of them that refuses to come to any games until they are at minimum playoff contenders, at most, conference champs. He thinks Glenn is inept, in fact, thinks the whole staff is inept. And doesn't feel like we have the players it takes to compete. In other words, we have recruited poorly. PA: Wow, don't ever let the players get to know that guy, they would kick his ass. Good God, we haven't even entered conference play yet, and he's already given up on this team? Because we didn't beat Kansas State? CFAD: Yep. LOL
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Post by Yote 53 on Sept 25, 2015 8:55:25 GMT -6
CoyoteFan,
I am in the fortunate position to know some of the people on this board in real life, or at least know who they are, their background with USD, and their involvement in the Howling pack, as former players, alumni, etc. I am just going to point out to you that you are picking battles with the wrong people.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 25, 2015 16:26:31 GMT -6
picking what battles. I simply post on a message board and don't pick battles with anyone. I make strong opinions and back them up with facts but I don't go out and attack people like Yoteforever and some other people do. Yote Forever started the threats not me. Go talk to him about picking battles.
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 25, 2015 17:34:16 GMT -6
This is what is funny about this whole thing. FightSD basically said that under Ed the program was in such bad shape that there is almost no way even the best of coaches could have succeeded after he left. Than Yoteforever says that the program was set back many years by the firing or Ed. People can't even agree with what kind of a coach Ed was and what kind of a situation he left. I certainly never heard anyone else call for Ed's firing before it happened. I certainly don't remember FightSD saying anything about it either but by all means if you said it before it happened than I am sorry for missing it. I just don't remember anyone calling for Ed to be gone aside from me. Yoteforever will hardly ever if ever think a program is headed in the wrong direction no matter what the record.
For the record Ed started out as a good coach in his first 3 years. He turned things around no doubt. How much of that had to do with the coordinators that were around him. Did Caruso have alot to do with the winning. No matter what the opinion Ed deserves credit for the first 3 years. After that though he flatlined. He was hardly ever able to win on the road and during his last couple of years the ceiling for the program was likely going to be a .500 team. When .500 is the best case senario which certainly appeared to be the case than it was time to move on. Much of his downfall was probably a result of simply playing a tough schedule. When the Yotes were highly regarded after the 2006 season and than scheduled very tough the year after is when things really started to go downhill.
As far as Glenn being hired. I was satisfied with it thinking it was a solid hire but he wasn't my first choice either. I wanted an up and comer moreso than a veteran of many years. Point being I was ok with the hire. Keeping Wes was a rather large red flag and after the first season I was no longer ok with it and things have progressed downhill ever since until the first 3 games this year. I would love to be proven wrong and have this team finish the Valley at 4-4 or better. More power to the program if they can accomplish that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 20:21:36 GMT -6
"uniformed about the football program". How much more informed than 3-18 in the MVFC does one need to be. The record speaks for itself and no amount of sugar coated commentary is going to change that record. It is a very weak excuse to give Glenn a pass for insinuating that he had to take over some kind of a dumpster fire left by Ed that even the best of coaches couldn't have fixed. That is complete hogwash. Ed needed to go (and IMO because of football reasons more than personal reasons) but even he would have been able to guide the Coyotes to a better record than 3-18. I will agree that he left an undisciplined group of players behind but he proved over the years that he was able to get good talent into Vermillion. It was just raw talent that wasn't coached up to it's potential when it came to player development and X's and O's. The program wasn't to the point of being non fixable especially in year 3 of Glenn's tenure. This last 3 years is on Joe Glenn not on Ed Meierkort. Saying any different is simply being in denial. When new coaches come into a program they are naturally going to be coming into undesirable situations in some facet. The good coaches get the most out of what they have. regardless of what Glenn does before he is done as football coach he should not get a free pass on the first 3 years. Joe Glenn and the Coyotes are off to a good start this year and it appears that the team is ready to break out of it and start to play winning football. The path that this team will do down is yet to be determined especially considering the history of the team breaking down and regressing throughout each of the past 3 seasons. Does this years team feel different? I think an argument can definately be made that it does feel different and that things will go down a completely different path (than last year) from here on out but the team still needs to prove they are for real in the conference season. The Missouri Valley has been and still is the large elephant in the room. This team needs to prove that they will get better as the season goes on and will overcome the grind of the Valley instead of letting the grind overcome them. Forgive me for needing to see a little more sustained success before I start punching the Coyotes ticket to the playoffs. I am very interested to see how the Youngstown game turns out. If the Yotes go out and beat Youngstown and follow it up with a win at Western Illinois than belief will start to sink into these bones. Until than I will remain skeptical and that is a very fair standpoint to take. CoyoteSlayer, No one can argue the results with you because they are what they are. But if you would go back when you kend the charge on firing Meierkort, you were somewhat giddy with the hiring of Coach Glenn. I told you then, and I'll tell you now that firing set back our program 3-5 years. It's a fact. I said it then, and I'm saying it now. That firing killed us. If you FIRE Coach Glenn, instead of letting it play out, forget about winning till 2020. That also is a fact. Lastly, before you're on board, they need to be 4-1. Quite frankly, if they are, stay home on Saturdays. If I pount you out to these kids, they'll tear you apart limb by limb. You are not a Coyote fan. You're not, so please quit acting like one. You once threatened to switch to the Jacks. I say do it. You never have a solution, only bitch and complain . Let me introduce you to Keyon Lage...I'm sure you'd get to know each other quick. Stay away. Go to Brookings. Wear blue and yellow, just please don't tell people you're a Coyote. You can keep him
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Post by jackjd on Sept 26, 2015 7:14:56 GMT -6
Yoteforever: "Go to Brookings. Wear blue and yellow, just please don't tell people you're a Coyote."
No hold on there, friend. Transgender fans? I don't think the world is ready for Coyotefan Jenner.
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 26, 2015 7:45:18 GMT -6
Yoteforever: "Go to Brookings. Wear blue and yellow, just please don't tell people you're a Coyote." No hold on there, friend. Transgender fans? I don't think the world is ready for Coyotefan Jenner.Is the world ready? I doubt it. But to be sure lets do a "test run" in Brookings. Sound ok?
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Post by jackjd on Sept 26, 2015 8:21:10 GMT -6
Ha! I don't think so. I propose a compromise: A test run in Vermillion. I'll supply CF with some yellow and blue gear and he can wear it to the game. I'll even get him a name-tag.
Looks like everyone in the conference has a bye this week except the Jacks (Bob Morris at 5 pm) and Southern Illinois (Liberty at 6 pm). We're going to have outstanding weather in Brooking for the game. If I was in your shoes, YF, I'd go to one of my favorite haunts at Okoboji and watch some football on a big screen, overlooking the lake, and enjoying some cold beer. Have a good weekend!
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Post by Coyote Fan on Sept 26, 2015 13:13:29 GMT -6
Yoteforever: "Go to Brookings. Wear blue and yellow, just please don't tell people you're a Coyote." No hold on there, friend. Transgender fans? I don't think the world is ready for Coyotefan Jenner.JackJD You must have snuck into the community room again to use the computer at your nursing home. You are supposed to exhibit good behavior to be able to use that room. You should know that by now.
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Post by dakotaboy on Sept 26, 2015 22:57:07 GMT -6
This is what is funny about this whole thing. FightSD basically said that under Ed the program was in such bad shape that there is almost no way even the best of coaches could have succeeded after he left. Than Yoteforever says that the program was set back many years by the firing or Ed. People can't even agree with what kind of a coach Ed was and what kind of a situation he left. I certainly never heard anyone else call for Ed's firing before it happened. I certainly don't remember FightSD saying anything about it either but by all means if you said it before it happened than I am sorry for missing it. I just don't remember anyone calling for Ed to be gone aside from me. Yoteforever will hardly ever if ever think a program is headed in the wrong direction no matter what the record. For the record Ed started out as a good coach in his first 3 years. He turned things around no doubt. How much of that had to do with the coordinators that were around him. Did Caruso have alot to do with the winning. No matter what the opinion Ed deserves credit for the first 3 years. After that though he flatlined. He was hardly ever able to win on the road and during his last couple of years the ceiling for the program was likely going to be a .500 team. When .500 is the best case senario which certainly appeared to be the case than it was time to move on. Much of his downfall was probably a result of simply playing a tough schedule. When the Yotes were highly regarded after the 2006 season and than scheduled very tough the year after is when things really started to go downhill. As far as Glenn being hired. I was satisfied with it thinking it was a solid hire but he wasn't my first choice either. I wanted an up and comer moreso than a veteran of many years. Point being I was ok with the hire. Keeping Wes was a rather large red flag and after the first season I was no longer ok with it and things have progressed downhill ever since until the first 3 games this year. I would love to be proven wrong and have this team finish the Valley at 4-4 or better. More power to the program if they can accomplish that. Wow, just wow. I mean wow.
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Post by yoteforever on Sept 27, 2015 7:24:05 GMT -6
This is what is funny about this whole thing. FightSD basically said that under Ed the program was in such bad shape that there is almost no way even the best of coaches could have succeeded after he left. Than Yoteforever says that the program was set back many years by the firing or Ed. People can't even agree with what kind of a coach Ed was and what kind of a situation he left. I certainly never heard anyone else call for Ed's firing before it happened. I certainly don't remember FightSD saying anything about it either but by all means if you said it before it happened than I am sorry for missing it. I just don't remember anyone calling for Ed to be gone aside from me. Yoteforever will hardly ever if ever think a program is headed in the wrong direction no matter what the record. For the record Ed started out as a good coach in his first 3 years. He turned things around no doubt. How much of that had to do with the coordinators that were around him. Did Caruso have alot to do with the winning. No matter what the opinion Ed deserves credit for the first 3 years. After that though he flatlined. He was hardly ever able to win on the road and during his last couple of years the ceiling for the program was likely going to be a .500 team. When .500 is the best case senario which certainly appeared to be the case than it was time to move on. Much of his downfall was probably a result of simply playing a tough schedule. When the Yotes were highly regarded after the 2006 season and than scheduled very tough the year after is when things really started to go downhill. As far as Glenn being hired. I was satisfied with it thinking it was a solid hire but he wasn't my first choice either. I wanted an up and comer moreso than a veteran of many years. Point being I was ok with the hire. Keeping Wes was a rather large red flag and after the first season I was no longer ok with it and things have progressed downhill ever since until the first 3 games this year. I would love to be proven wrong and have this team finish the Valley at 4-4 or better. More power to the program if they can accomplish that. Wow, just wow. I mean wow. Get used to it
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Post by dakotaboy on Sept 27, 2015 7:59:58 GMT -6
Or, if admins will not shut this down, leave.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 27, 2015 8:24:36 GMT -6
Results for this week's MVFC games:
Robert Morris 10 - SDSU 34 Liberty 13 - Southern Illinois 34
Very impressive win for Southern Illinois over a highly ranked Liberty team. I can't believe they actually lost to SE MO State a couple weeks ago.
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